An open letter to forum member Chevota


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gspn
January 1, 2014, 05:39 PM
I had intended to send this to Chevota's email account…but I think it's better to deliver it here in public so everyone can see it.

I recently had a lot of trouble with the trigger on my new Crosman TR77 NPS. The trigger was garbage…and I do mean garbage. The trigger pull felt exactly like dragging a cinder block over 5 miles of sandpaper, gravel, and small boulders. You had to pull it FOREVER and it was just as rough and inconsistent as it could be. It was like they engineered it to be a turd on purpose…I'm convinced there is no way you could accidentally make a trigger this bad. A chimpanzee could create a better trigger in 5 minutes than Crosman did.

So…after doing a lot of research I decided to replace the trigger. Before I ordered it I found lots of video's showing a very cheap home made fix. This would allow me to fix the trigger for pennies rather than spending $40.

Just about the time I was going to hit the "buy now" button I decided "what the heck…I'll do it myself". Most of the video's I could find were poorly filmed. They were dark and you couldn't see the parts but it seemed pretty easy. After removing a few parts "PIIIINNGGG!!!" It was like a small claymore went off. Parts came out of that thing that I never saw…so I had no idea where they came from, how they were oriented, what they were attached to, and therefore had no hope of getting them back together. You might as well have given me the parts to the black box from the space shuttle and told me to put it back together.

My owners manual has no parts diagram, the Crosman site has no diagram for my gun. I looked up a gun that was like mine…but all they showed was an already assembled trigger pack…no exploded diagram showing the parts or orientation. Al Gore's World Wide Web didn't have anything either. I worked on that thing for maybe three hours the first night. I got so mad I had to quit…I was really thinking about throwing the gun away. My head ached from the frustration.

Forum member Mousegun helped motivate me by sending some pics that he had of the trigger group so the second night I came home fresh and rested and spent another hour or so on the problem…but still failed to get Humpty Dumpty back together again. Part of my problem was that I was having to work "upside down" as the pictures were all of a trigger pack that was removed from the gun and assembled by dropping the parts in the top …but mine was still on the gun so I had to push them in from the bottom and work the other way. At this point I had given up on trying the trigger job…I just wanted the thing back together. I was able to get all the parts back in that night but when I tried to cock the gun…it wouldn't work. Now I had created two problems…one being the trigger, and the next being the inability to cock the gun. That night I went to bed less angry and more resigned to the fact that I would be throwing this thing away and buying a new one. I was bummed…I had taken a decent and fun gun and perhaps ruined it.

On the third day forum member Chevota told me he'd e-mail me some pics that might help. Chevota sent me a group of pictures that clearly showed every part and how they are oriented with each other inside the trigger pack…pins, springs, everything. With his help I was able to learn a whole bunch about the gun and get it back together again. As I came to the realization that the fix was in sight and that my long painful ordeal was about to end…I got inspired. Now that i knew how to get this thing done it was time to do the original trigger job.

I had already drilled out and filed the part I needed for the trigger job so I just dropped it in, slapped the last part on…and put the stock back on. Now it was time to see if everything really worked. I cocked the gun and got a very satisfying "CLICK" as it locked open! First problem solved…the gun would now cock. Next I loaded it, flipped the safety off, and after a silky smooth 1/4 inch of light travel I got the satisfying report of the gun discharging.

I had officially fixed the trigger! This thing is like night and day! I am now grabbing a beer and heading the laundry room…which serves as my shooting station. I crack the window and shoot at my target out back from there. Can't wait to see what my groups look like with the better trigger.

So…that is a very long way of saying…THANK YOU CHEVOTA! You rock dude. You helped a fellow shooter who was out of luck…out of ideas…and about to throw his gun away. Once I got your pics it went like clockwork…thank you, thank you, thank you. If I ever have another kid (doubtful) I might name him Chevota…maybe just his middle name.

Thanks…and be it known to the entire forum that you are a knowledgeable and helpful dude.

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Chevota
January 1, 2014, 11:23 PM
You are most welcome, glad to help and glad you got it together.
I'm curious which mod you did, if it was like any of the ones in the guide I gave you, or if you've considered any in the guide. Also, have you considered any of the tuning info? Some of the things I consider rather important, like deburing the gun, replacing the main seal (and ideally sizing it), replacing the nasty grease with better, and piston buttons. Then smoothing the transfer port, brass pivot washers, bla bla bla.

Trent
January 1, 2014, 11:46 PM
Well done guys. :)

JohnKSa
January 2, 2014, 12:19 AM
Very nice!

When I first found out about internet forums, this is exactly how I envisioned them operating. People exchanging information, sharing experience and discussing general concepts that interest them. It's encouraging to see that they do work that way at least some of the time.

gspn
January 2, 2014, 12:32 AM
I didn't get to dig into any of the other mods yet. My main concern was getting the gun back in operation. Now that I've got that done I can go back and review the other stuff. It was a HUGE relief to get it back up and running.

Trent
January 2, 2014, 03:24 AM
What you described in no small way reflects the way I felt the first time the guts of my Ruger MK III handgun fell out on the table when I decided "ahh, I want to detail clean it, I'm going to drive this pin out".

An hour and a half, several online videos, and a LOT of sweating later... I finally got it pieced back together.

Turns out some of these gadgets we use are REAL intricate on the assembly procedures.. :)

Hawk 3/21
January 2, 2014, 09:43 AM
So many days & nights spent in ths fashion. If not this, then it's seaching under couches for that elusive jesus clip/spring. Which has mysteriously disappeared into the blackholes that I'm sure exist under my couch, workbench and must somehow follow me around. Or the may be attached to the underside of car engines.

We are the inquisitive lot. While most would call a professional, we are driven to understand what we don't know. Driven to independence and by the knowledge accumulated by years of not being reliant on others to put our affairs in order. Often we sutlely lie to ourselves, disassembling brand new items with neither flaw nor blemish. Citing the need to be prepared for the day it does need repair, polish or other performance enhancement

Others rejoice in having a brand new item, certain in their belief that years shall pass with trouble free use. We eagerly lay it, piece by piece, on our benches. Proving again and again the ancient wisdom "if it ain't broke and you ---- with it long enough, it will be". Doggedly spending weeks trying to tweak tweak items that the sane among us would have simply returned. Items worth only a few dollars, yet we dedicate hundreds of hours in the quest for victory.

Have heart, even though your love ones are already on the phone making arrangements at the sanitorium, remember we would have no planes if the Wright brother didn't share this drive. Sam Colt and John Moses would have been simple musket repairmen. America would still be a vast wilderness without the self reliant drive of Desoto, Champlain, Columbus and all those before us.

By the way, have any of you seen that tiny lifter spring that flew out of my LC9. I'm sure it's around here somewhere

Hawk 3/21
January 2, 2014, 09:44 AM
Thank God for the internet. Without it half of my possessions would be still in parts

gspn
January 2, 2014, 10:37 AM
Hawk...your post was full of truth from start to finish!

gspn
January 2, 2014, 10:39 AM
Trent...i still jabe to watch the Ruger video everytime. That thing is designed like one of those tricky puzzles that people like to give you at parties.

Owen
January 2, 2014, 12:10 PM
phew, that title had me worried. I thought I was going to have to go on a banning streak.

Good to see that you got your issues worked out!

gspn
January 2, 2014, 02:02 PM
phew, that title had me worried. I thought I was going to have to go on a banning streak.

Good to see that you got your issues worked out!

Ha! Sorry for the worry.

Trent
January 2, 2014, 02:43 PM
So many days & nights spent in ths fashion. If not this, then it's seaching under couches for that elusive jesus clip/spring. Which has mysteriously disappeared into the blackholes that I'm sure exist under my couch, workbench and must somehow follow me around. Or the may be attached to the underside of car engines.

We are the inquisitive lot. While most would call a professional, we are driven to understand what we don't know. Driven to independence and by the knowledge accumulated by years of not being reliant on others to put our affairs in order. Often we sutlely lie to ourselves, disassembling brand new items with neither flaw nor blemish. Citing the need to be prepared for the day it does need repair, polish or other performance enhancement

Others rejoice in having a brand new item, certain in their belief that years shall pass with trouble free use. We eagerly lay it, piece by piece, on our benches. Proving again and again the ancient wisdom "if it ain't broke and you ---- with it long enough, it will be". Doggedly spending weeks trying to tweak tweak items that the sane among us would have simply returned. Items worth only a few dollars, yet we dedicate hundreds of hours in the quest for victory.

Have heart, even though your love ones are already on the phone making arrangements at the sanitorium, remember we would have no planes if the Wright brother didn't share this drive. Sam Colt and John Moses would have been simple musket repairmen. America would still be a vast wilderness without the self reliant drive of Desoto, Champlain, Columbus and all those before us.

By the way, have any of you seen that tiny lifter spring that flew out of my LC9. I'm sure it's around here somewhere

Hawk, I'm quoting the entire write up you did, because it is absolutely perfect and flawless in every way.

In an effort to remain on topic AND contribute to the thread, I recently spent an entire evening tweaking the sights on a cheap plastic 8-shot CO2 repeater handgun.

I shot group, after group, after group at 10 meters, trying to get the sights "absolutely perfect". The rear sight was easy enough as it was adjustable. But elevation remained a problem. What started with a little black tape to mask off the top of the front sight by a couple thousandths, ended with me putting the cheap air gun in to a vice to hand-sand that front sight down .004" so that the zero on that particular weight of pellet was absolutely, positively, spot dead on at a 10 meter zero.

I burned about 4 and a half hours just getting that gun sighted perfectly. And it shoots, at best, a 1.5" group at 10 meters. (Not bad for a cheap Co2 pistol, but not stellar; a buddy has an olympic quality pistol I can put pellet after pellet in to the same damn hole at that range).

Why? I don't know. I hadn't even shot the dang thing in 7 years.

There's a certain compulsion inside my wiring, to find the "absolute" in things. Accuracy, dimensions, etc. I just can't tolerate having something "just not quite right".

Meanwhile other parts of my life are a disaster. :)

Hawk 3/21
January 2, 2014, 04:45 PM
Hawk, I'm quoting the entire write up you did, because it is absolutely perfect and flawless in every way.

In an effort to remain on topic AND contribute to the thread, I recently spent an entire evening tweaking the sights on a cheap plastic 8-shot CO2 repeater handgun.

I shot group, after group, after group at 10 meters, trying to get the sights "absolutely perfect". The rear sight was easy enough as it was adjustable. But elevation remained a problem. What started with a little black tape to mask off the top of the front sight by a couple thousandths, ended with me putting the cheap air gun in to a vice to hand-sand that front sight down .004" so that the zero on that particular weight of pellet was absolutely, positively, spot dead on at a 10 meter zero.

I burned about 4 and a half hours just getting that gun sighted perfectly. And it shoots, at best, a 1.5" group at 10 meters. (Not bad for a cheap Co2 pistol, but not stellar; a buddy has an olympic quality pistol I can put pellet after pellet in to the same damn hole at that range).

Why? I don't know. I hadn't even shot the dang thing in 7 years.

There's a certain compulsion inside my wiring, to find the "absolute" in things. Accuracy, dimensions, etc. I just can't tolerate having something "just not quite right".

Meanwhile other parts of my life are a disaster. :)

Thanks, good luck

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