Full Auto BB Gun


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jimsouth
January 9, 2014, 08:33 AM
I had - lost in the shuffle, a full auto BB gun that used a Freon cartridge ( the reload can for an auto AC system ). Anyone remember them? If I found it, I don't know what I'd use to power it - or even if it's legal. Never know what's legal from day to day anymore. You can go to bed an honest law abiding citizen, and while your sleeping, some screwball can slink through a law behind closed doors; and you wake up a criminal without even knowing it. I know switchblades ( some ) are certainly illegal; but you can march around with a 3 foot machete or an ax. Go figure.

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spottedpony
January 9, 2014, 09:04 AM
I dont know how the law would look at a full auto bb gun, but what would get you in trouble, i think, would be with the EPA as its illegal to vent freon into the atmosphere.

450 Dakota
January 9, 2014, 09:11 AM
Yes, indeed. I remember them well, and remember when you could get four cans of freon for a dollar on sale at Wal-Mart. Since these air rifles just throw BBs as fast as the freon pressure will let them exit the barrel, they are not considered automatics or even firearms of any kind. However, be sure to check your state and local laws for specific statutes regarding air guns. Those that still have them today might be able to run them on CO2 or even the new freons available, as long as the top of the can is the same dimension as its freon predecessor. They were a lot of fun, and cheap to shoot.

GarySTL
January 9, 2014, 12:07 PM
Friend had one years back and made an adapter to hook up an air hose. Limited mobility, but cheap fun.

mdauben
January 9, 2014, 12:50 PM
I had - lost in the shuffle, a full auto BB gun that used a Freon cartridge ( the reload can for an auto AC system ). Anyone remember them?
I remember ordering one out of the back of a magazine. Lots of fun shooting pop cans off the picnic tabel in our backyard. It sure went through those freon cans fast, though!

rondog
January 9, 2014, 01:36 PM
Always wanted one of those! Never got one though.

Search on YouTube for "BB minigun".

jimsouth
January 9, 2014, 01:46 PM
Always wanted one of those! Never got one though.

Search on YouTube for "BB minigun".
I do remember Knobels Grove amusement park in Pa - had a shooting gallery with full auto air powered machine guns . Big ( I believe like .25 caliber ). Cool design , since the backstop simply returned the pellets - balls - whatever they were. Like a mini bowling ball return. Here's something:
X-Caliber Tactical: Products - Airsoft M134A2 Vulcan Minigun


http://www.xcalibertactical.com/products/m134a2/index.html

Caliber: 6mm Steel .88g BB or 6mm Plastic Airsoft ... Includes 1x M134A2 Vulcan Minigun, 1x 20oz C0 2 bottle, 1x Regulator (customer's Preference for velocity), ...
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Shawnpatrick
January 9, 2014, 04:30 PM
I remember seeing those advertised in the back of Popular Mechanics when I was a kid. $7 or $8 plus shipping unless I'm mistaken. Haven't seen one in a while.

I did find this recently at Cabella's.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Umarex-Steel-Storm-Tactical-Gun/1203090.uts

It is select fire with semi-auto or 6 shot burst. If it used a 9oz refillable paintball co2 I would have one. I just hate to use so many disposable co2 cartridges.

>>update- just looked at it on pyramyd air's site and it appears there is a bulk fill adapter available. So I'll be getting one shortly!

Chevota
January 9, 2014, 04:40 PM
I had one, it was the equivalent of putting a bunch of BBs in your mouth and spraying them out a tube. It was simply a hollow plastic container shaped like an Uzi, and when you pulled the trigger the entire container pressurized with freon. The barrel was bent at the rear so it reached down into the pistol grip which was filled with maybe 2000 BB's. The freon escaping the gun thru that tube carried the BB's with it and out the tube/barrel. So when you pulled the trigger you could feel the gun bloat from the pressure, then the BB's came out erratically and often stopped so you had to shake the gun to keep a steady flow of them, then when you let off the trigger the gun would deflate as the last few BB's spit out each slower than the last. It's power was maybe 150-200fps tops, it could break beer bottles within ~15', but that's it. This was a good 25 years ago when freon was cheap and not a big environmental issue, but air from a compressor should work just fine, probably better and obviously cheaper. Legally it shouldn't be an issue since it's not a firearm, and other auto BB guns are sold today. You could make one easily using compressed air, a BB sized tube, and any container that could hold the pressure. Even a piece of pvc pipe with a brass tube. Picture a tall glass of soda with a bent straw sticking out, but instead of soda it's BB's, and the glass is a pvc pipe and sealed on top. Insert air however thru a hole wherever and you've got the same lame gun. It was very lame btw, 5 min and I was completely bored with it and I gave it to a friend who also became bored in no time. Not worth the money of buying one, or the hassle of making one (imo). I think mine was from an ad in the back of a comic book, it was something like $10. Fyi...

MrWhipple
January 9, 2014, 11:50 PM
Thank you so much Chevota! Ever since I was 8 years old I fantasized about ordering one. These were my mythic white whale to my Captain Ahab. So many hours studying the black and white image of the simply awe inspiring LARC BB machine gun advertised in the back of Field and Stream. 50 BBs a second, 3000 BBs a minute. (I still remember the description). My father would deflate my dreams by telling me that it was a piece of crap that would leave me longing for my $39.95 back. All these years and I have never seen one in person. Thanks to your careful, concise, and honest description I think I am finally free of my childhood lust for one.

zoom6zoom
January 10, 2014, 12:11 AM
Yeah, remember those, they were a hoot.
A current model is the Baikal Drozd, powered by CO2 cartridges. Out of the box it is a three or six round burst, but there are lots of mods found on the forums which make them full auto, as well as using larger propellant canisters.

http://www.amazon.com/IZH-Drozd-Pistol-air-pistol/dp/B004BTNR06

goon
January 10, 2014, 12:25 AM
I shot a FA airgun, I think called a Droz D, a few years ago. It was surprisingly destructive on an old pop can and a lot of fun.

rodinal220
January 10, 2014, 11:41 PM
The Freon powered gun was the Larc Intl. M19-A.They came as a "carbine" and as a pistol model. They also could be powered by compressed air with an adapter.I still have mine,and it was sure fun to shoot when freon(R12) was cheap and plentiful.

PICS:
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1115210229/8858487/aa2a.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

The McGlashan BB machine gun was developed to train GIs on the use of the Browning M1919A4 type MGs.

http://www.macglashanbbgun.com/

The other type, some of you may remember from your carnival days was the Feltman Pneumatic Machine Gun .This is the TSMG looking gun that you "tried" to shoot out the red star target.These used #2 chilled lead shot and not .177 steel BBs.Being a typical carney game,the barrel could be regulated by the game owner to shoot somewhere other than where the sights were aimed.

http://classic.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7119517

witchhunter
January 11, 2014, 12:03 AM
We bought a couple of those back when Freon was a buck a can.... That got too expensive, so we adapted the old air compressor to em. Even in those days, we couldn't afford BB's as they would fire about a buck a minute! One thing to note, once we put the air pressure to em, they couldn't keep em together, too much I guess.

Speedo66
January 12, 2014, 09:48 PM
The Freon powered gun was the Larc Intl. M19-A.They came as a "carbine" and as a pistol model. They also could be powered by compressed air with an adapter.I still have mine,and it was sure fun to shoot when freon(R12) was cheap and plentiful.

PICS:
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1115210229/8858487/aa2a.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

The McGlashan BB machine gun was developed to train GIs on the use of the Browning M1919A4 type MGs.

http://www.macglashanbbgun.com/

The other types some of you may remember from your carnival days was the Feltman Pneumatic Machine Gun .This is the TSMG looking gun that you "tried" to shoot out the red star target.These used #2 chilled lead shot and not .177 steel BBs.Being a typical carney game,the barrel could be regulated by the game owner to shoot somewhere other than where the sights were aimed.

http://classic.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7119517
I remember the Feltman Thompson looking auto gun from the arcades in Coney Island in Brooklyn as a kid. Your link shows the company actually was in Coney Island.

They also used to have arcades there that surprisingly used .22 short gallery guns, arcades in Times Square Manhattan did too. Hard to imagine that now.

rodinal220
January 13, 2014, 12:16 PM
Speedo,yes the Feltmans originated in NJ,and it looks like they have come back to roost. If memory serves correct for a time the Feltman were being made in WI,now it looks like they returned home.


http://www.shootingstargames.com/

Ditchtiger
February 11, 2014, 10:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p_ms58RQ2r8

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