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mugsie
February 13, 2014, 05:16 PM
I can't always get to the range and because I live in suburbia, can't shoot rimfire or center fire in my yard. What I would like to do is find an accurate either break barrel or pump (are they the same thing?) rifle. Single shot obviously. It needs to be accurate and above all, quiet. It also needs to be reasonable in price.

I will be shooting this in my yard, about 25 to 30 yards, targets only. Neighbors are nosey, so quiet is paramount.

What do you recommend?

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Mousegun
February 13, 2014, 08:46 PM
Go to sites like Pyramyd Air or Airguns of Arizona and you can read up on the different types of air rifles. Pump means you pump a handle on the gun to build up air pressure for the shot. Break barrel is usually powered by a spring and an air chamber that the spring compresses the air in when the trigger is pulled.

It is difficult to get a gun that is totally silent in your price range but some of the internet sites rate the noise level of each gun.

mf-dif
February 13, 2014, 09:07 PM
Sound levels are something that ranks on top of my list when considering an airgun purchase. Here are some generalities. Realize their are some exceptions.

1) CO2 & PCP guns are loud.

2) Anything over 1000fps is loud...it'll crack like a 22lr, even with a suppressor.

3) Pump guns can be quiet...if you only pump them around 3x. You're losing velocity but if you're just paper punching that's fine. Pump it all the way up and they can be loud.

4) Spring guns I find are the quietest of the bunch...as long as they do not break a high velocity. All you really hear is the piston slamming instead of a pop or crack from the rest of the guns. Again it has to be low velocity...sub 500fps IMO. Over that (some are 1200fps) and you're loud again. Spring guns are harder to shoot though because they have forward recoil from the piston slamming. It just takes some practice but once you have it down you're golden. The secret is to hold the same position even after you pull the trigger.

I'm a big fan of the IZH-60 and 61 series rifles. They are springers, with mid 400fps, accurate and very quiet. 61 has a 5rd clip that auto loaded every time you work the cocking lever. 60 is a single shot bolt action breach loader. It's basically the same gun but after you cock it you drop a pellet and work the bolt...which I like. Others may prefer the "auto" loader.

Another gun you may consider that is quite popular right now and marketed as the quietest CO2 is the Umarex Fusion. It has a suppressor, single shot bolt action. Although more people are saying it sounds more like a pump gun with 8 or so pumps in it...which IMO is loud.

Remember...no matter what gun you see, even if it's marketed with a sound suppressor and quiet...if it breaks the sound barrier in FPS it's gonna be loud.

SleazyRider
February 13, 2014, 09:41 PM
Did you say targets only? And quiet? And cheap?

How does 100 bucks sound? Then get yourself over to the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) website and get a single-pump deadly accurate Daisy Model 853 (used) .177 pellet rifle. Completely refurbished, peep sights, sling, et cetera. You'll be a happy man!

JSH1
February 13, 2014, 11:55 PM
Then get yourself over to the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) website and get a single-pump deadly accurate Daisy Model 853 (used) .177 pellet rifle. Completely refurbished, peep sights, sling, et cetera.
It sounded to good to be true and I think it is. The order form doesn't make it sound like they are selling these to the general public. The description says they are targeting organizations like summer camps and the order for says to see if your organization qualifies.


To the OP,

I would look at something like a Crosman 1322 ($55) to try it out. Scratch that get the Crosman Doomsday Kit for $75. The kit is junk but the stock and 12 inch barrel are worth the extra $20. I shoot a Crosman 1377 in my backyard and garage and have never disturbed the neighbors. I can shoot about a 1 inch group at 10 yards standing and I'm not a good shot. Don't know what it will do at 25-30 yards.

readyeddy
February 18, 2014, 10:01 PM
Get a Xisico XS25. It's a Chinese clone of the classic RWS 34. Flying Dragons has tune options.

http://www.flyingdragonairrifles.org/XISICO_XS25.html

Chevota
February 20, 2014, 04:11 AM
Quiet is important to me for the same reasons, well almost, I have to worry about neighbors calling the cops. I also shoot rats at night and I don't want to wake anyone. For a pellet gun I'd consider a Benjamin Trial because the nitro spring and suppressor makes them very quiet. 177 or 22, your choice, but 22 seems a bit quieter, but I prefer 177 for the flatter trajectory and danger for pellets that go who knows where.
Another consideration is a low power version Titan which can be had for ~$100 for a referb, then put a quieter Trail barrel on it (add ~$30 shipped). Or buy a Trail and put the lower power spring from the Titan in it, but that option is about double the cost. Yet another is to buy a coil spring version from Crosman, which referbs are as low as $60, but they need a little work to make them quiet, including a Trail barrel. The power and noise of the coil version can be adjusted so it can actually be the quietest, and cheapest, but it takes a little work on your part which i can explain if you need.
Another option few consider is Aguila Colibri 22 rimfire ammo. They're quieter than any of my airguns and I use them for night hunting because a Trail for example would be too loud. If you've never used them I suggest you at least try them because they're really cool. They're quieter with a longer barrel, and too weak to feed thru an auto, so I bought a Marlin 925R just for this ammo. It's a bolt action with a 22" barrel and it's ideal for them imo. They also sell "Super" Colibri which have more power but are louder. I'd try a box of 50 of each flavor so you can decide.
A Benjamin Marauder is extremely quiet as well, once properly tweaked it's the quietest airgun I've shot. The problem with those is the price and compressed air needed.
Feel free to ask if you have more questions...

SleazyRider
February 20, 2014, 08:17 AM
It sounded to good to be true and I think it is. The order form doesn't make it sound like they are selling these to the general public. The description says they are targeting organizations like summer camps and the order for says to see if your organization qualifies.

Try it. What have you got to lose? They actually do sell them to John Q. Public; it's the rimfire and centerfire rifles that are exclusive to clubs. Their wording is a bit vague in this regards but I, and several of my buddies, have purchased them.

Since we're on the subject of bargains, Archer Air sells the Industry Brand QB78 deluxe---a Chinese clone of the venerable yet discontinued Crosman 160---for about 100 bucks. It's a CO2 powered rifle that will accept CO2 cartridges in single or tandem. E. Arthur Brown sells them as well, and has them in both the .22 caliber and .177 caliber versions. When the weather breaks and my wife is in a better mood I may see if'n she'll part with some of the grocery money so's I can buy one.

mf-dif
February 20, 2014, 08:47 AM
Look up www.tko22.com if you're doing pest control at night. You're going to get a report no matter what though that someone will hear if they sleep with windows open.

JSH1
February 20, 2014, 02:51 PM
Try it. What have you got to lose? They actually do sell them to John Q. Public; it's the rimfire and centerfire rifles that are exclusive to clubs. Their wording is a bit vague in this regards but I, and several of my buddies, have purchased them.

Glad to hear you purchased one successfully. They do need to update their description. They also need to modernize their purchasing process. There is no way I'm going to mail or fax an order form with my credit card information. That is a great deal if you want a single stroke pneumatic gun.

Since we're on the subject of bargains, Archer Air sells the Industry Brand QB78 deluxe---a Chinese clone of the venerable yet discontinued Crosman 160---for about 100 bucks. It's a CO2 powered rifle that will accept CO2 cartridges in single or tandem.

That is an awesome deal and a great value for a beginner. I would defiantly purchase one if I hadn't recently purchased a Crosman 2400 from the custom shop. I do like the double CO2 cartridge option, I may swap my 2240 air reservoir for the 160 version. I wonder how many parts are interchangeable between the QB78 and Crosman 2240 / 160?

MuffinMaster
February 20, 2014, 08:28 PM
Daisy Model 853 (used) .177 pellet rifle is on of the finest pellets guns you can get for 100 buck. It is a 10 meter gun. A beginning pellet target rifle. I really like Daisy and are the most accurate pellets guns I have for the price. In fact, dare I say, my 880 will shot clover leafs for me. I have to fight my kids for range time with that pellet gun though. You can spend thousands and become a world champion or 50 buck and have a world of fun. Target shoot for me with a pellet gun is basically 10 meters. Plinking maybe up to 25 meters with a Daisy and 50+ with a good springer.

craftsman
February 26, 2014, 06:21 PM
Whichever model you decide to go with, here's some links to plans for a "silent" pellet trap and backstop I built.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Making-a-portable-Silent-Air-Gun-BBPellet-Trap/

http://www.instructables.com/id/Safety-backstop-for-a-pellet-rifles-pellet-trap/

Hope they help.

My suggestion ... Spend a few bucks extra ... http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Beeman_RS2_Dual_Caliber_Air_Rifle_Combo/1334 Dual caliber (.177 AND .22), similar rifle to the Flying Dragons model) plus scope, rings, and case for $160. I have one - fairly quiet (rated at 85 Db) I live in the 'burbs, and no one even turns their head when I'm practicing.

craftsman
February 26, 2014, 06:39 PM
Chevota, I have a .22 Benji - factory settings - very quiet ... love the 10 shot mag. I bought the pump. Great exercise (ROFL) - but free to refill. I can go from 500 PSI to 2,500 PSI in a few minutes. I can go about 30 rounds at that pressure (and yes, I have three magazines, so I can do that rather quickly).

craftsman
February 26, 2014, 06:45 PM
Sleazy (and others) -

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Buy one of these after you order the new airgun. Go with the colored stones for the constellation for her birth month. Do not share this outside of the forum - you do not want another wife in your area to have one similar. Tell her you had it created just for her, just because you love her.

I'm married over 35 years - money well spent!

SleazyRider
February 26, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jeez, Craftsman, that may be the best advice I've ever gotten on a forum! :)

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