But even this seems quite underpowered. It seems at best I can get about 200 ft/lbs.
May 28, 2014, 01:11 PM
I'm not looking for something that requires a precise head shot, but something I could use that can handle shots to the vitals.
Seeing how a RB from a muzzleloader having such a poor design and sectional density can give a complete passthrough with what I would have thought was an inhumane velocity/energy figure then maybe these air guns using a bullet can actually do the job as long as you keep it rather close (<50 yds).
I've seen one .45 cal air rifle that gives 500 ft/lbs using 400+ grn bullets. That I'd have no problem believing.
I've also seen an old military video in which they used an 1860 Army with a ball traveling under 700 fps penetrate through the block of ballistic gel with a bone in the center. I wouldn't have thought it possible.
May 28, 2014, 02:02 PM
I don't want any sort of tactical looking sniper rifle, but a simple standard gun, and the one I keep finding is the Sam Yang 909. One that doesn't weigh more than a typical rifle and has open sights, though I may top it with a scope.
May 28, 2014, 09:29 PM
This is more than enough energy to kill one but not very practical.
You can kill a water buffalo with a squirt gun, if everything is " just right".
Yes,its very possible to "kill" a pig sized animal with a good .177,.20,.22,.25 but range will be short,real short and proper power plant and pellet selection are a must. Perfect head shots are a must.
May 29, 2014, 12:22 PM
Are you familiar with the Sam Yang 909?
I've seen it will produce about 200 ft/lbs or 300 ft/lbs depending on where you look.
It also seems the bullets used are on the lighter side. Can they handle heavier bullets? I have a 285 grn WFN that's .456" and wonder if it would work. It sure would penetrate much better than my 195 grn version.
May 29, 2014, 05:59 PM
I have shot the Sam Yangs,but have not made the move to make an investment in the support gear for PCP. They are nice but eats air, it is a big bore hunting gun,not a plinker.
I do not know off the top of my head of anyone making a conventional spring or gas-spring air gun in .45/50 caliber. Most folks feel .25 is the limit on springers and best in the smaller calibers.
Here is another link to big bore air rifles:
May 30, 2014, 06:47 PM
Everything in 9mm ( 0.357) or above is PCP. Prices start for the Sam Yangs at about $670 and go up to nearly $3K.
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