Reasons for Carry Permit


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Diesle
December 27, 2002, 10:23 PM
There was a thread started in Laws and regs. talking about what you could use as a good reason for obtaining a permit to carry.

Ill probably get a nastygram from a mod. but, want to ask again if you guys have any good ideas abount what to present as a valid reason for a 'normal' citizen to carry. Something that has worked for you or is more likely to work than just "its my right as an American"

Diesle

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Standing Wolf
December 27, 2002, 10:27 PM
I put down two reasons on my application: personal protection and the exercise of my Second Amendment civil rights. In most of Colorado, the latter reason is considered sufficient.

CAP
December 27, 2002, 10:32 PM
What Wolf said.
Finally, the Great State of North Carolina has recognized at least some of our 2nd amendment rights.
Hope your state does too.

CAP

m.i.sanders
December 27, 2002, 10:35 PM
You have to have a reason?:confused: Down here in SC, we just tell 'em we want one, take our test, and pays our money. We don't have to give a reason.

cordex
December 27, 2002, 10:45 PM
Test? What is this test of which you speak?
No test needed hereabouts.

Redlg155
December 27, 2002, 10:46 PM
Florida is a "Shall Issue" state. Take a Class, pass the BG check and pay the fees and the state "shall issue" you a Carry Permit.

It seems to me that a lot of places that want you to have a reason before you can get a permit leave the control process to the local Sheriffs and not the State.

Good Shooting
RED

m.i.sanders
December 27, 2002, 10:54 PM
It's not much of a test. Pretty much if you can read and understand basic english, and shot 50 rounds into a standard B60 target at a max of 25 feet, you pass.

2dogs
December 28, 2002, 12:00 AM
In PA, or at least my part of PA, you have to indicate your reason for wanting the license, most people (me included) put "self defense" which is then printed on the license.

PA is shall issue.

Don't know why they want a reason, but I suppose if you put "Makes it easier to rob people" you may have to wait longer for the license to be issued.:D

Big_R
December 28, 2002, 12:03 AM
Diesle:

I just renewed my handgun purchase permit and it seems the forms have changed, at least in my county. I didn't apply for a CCW, but there was no blank for a reason any more. There was just a space asking for a firearms safety certificate and completion of a practical examination, whatever that means. I have been meaning to talk to the sheriff but with the holidays I haven't gotten there. The bad thing about Minnesota is the CCW stuff varies from county to county; a lot of discretion. I'll try to stop in and ask after the first of the year.

Ryan

TimW
December 28, 2002, 01:35 AM
When I lived in Massachusetts and got my carry permit (yeah, they do occasionally issue them), I put "in order to comply with the laws of the state" as my reason. Variations from friends are similar, "to be legal", etc.

Might not work for you, but worked for me.

voilsb
December 28, 2002, 01:40 AM
find out what your net-worth is (mortgage value, property, bank accounts, etc ... I don't know what all is factored in there). once you know that, say that you routinely carry xyz value wherever you go. maybe bump up the figure a little to take into account life insurance coverage, grief, lost pay, etc.

45-auto
December 28, 2002, 02:04 AM
Where I live, in Washington State, it's been "shall issue" since sometime in the 1930's I believe.

We need no reason to get a CCW, nor is there any form of test.

We don't test people before we let them speak or vote, do we?

Frankly, I think the CCW is an actual infringement, but then I tend to read the BoR pretty literally.

Pointman
December 28, 2002, 03:14 AM
We used to have to write "Personal Protection" on the back of our applications here in Indiana. But I didn't have to the last time I renewed.

The LEO that helped me file my first application (you used to be able get a permit in Indiana at 18, don't know if it's still that way) told me specifically to use that exact phrase.

Lennyjoe
December 28, 2002, 05:35 AM
Arizona doesnt require an explanation either.

Steelharp
December 28, 2002, 08:16 AM
I didn't need any official reason; TN doesn't ask. The reason I carry, though, is because I'm a musician here and some of the places I wind up working at some of the hours... well, that's enough reason!

Mikey D...

gwalchmai
December 28, 2002, 08:45 AM
In GA they have to have a reason to NOT give you one. ;)

Iggy
December 28, 2002, 08:49 AM
Why do I carry a gun??

I carry a gun because there is evil in this world. It strikes in churches, McDonalds, the library, at home and in traffic.
It comes to restaurants, parking lots, and movie theaters.

When it comes, you won't have time to wait for the police. It will come suddenly without warning and with unbelievable violence.
I believe it is my job as a man to protect my family and other innocents from evil.

Generations of Americans have fought and died to protect this country, their families and friends.

It is my right and my duty to follow in their footsteps if called upon to do so..


I cannot claim authorship of this.. I saw part of it posted on one of the forums and I have modified it somewhat to express my opinions..

King
December 28, 2002, 09:11 AM
A reason is not needed in Texas....If so, it would be a matter of self protection.

I would say because it's my 2nd amendment and therefore the Bill of Rights "should be" the only license needed (effective 1791, expires never). But alas...........

AK103K
December 28, 2002, 09:19 AM
The reason is very simple. You alone are responsible for your own security. No one has the right to tell you you cant protect yourself, although they do on a regular basis, the "permit" being one of them.(VT withstanding) The governments have covered their asses by giving themselves immunity if they dont protect you, and make it difficult to protect yourself. You should consider the CCW to be a "learners permit". Take advantage of it to learn to wear your pistol without much fear of arrest until your comfortable with it. That way, when they "take"(and eventually they will, Homeland Security comes to mind) your rights, you'll be well practiced at wearing your shooter. Go over to the JPFO site and get a copy of "Dial 911 and die", its a good read. And while your there, read "Last of the Bohicans".

www.jpfo.org

10-Ring
December 28, 2002, 10:33 AM
I've been told the best reason is for "self defense." Any other reason may result in restrictions.

dairycreek
December 28, 2002, 02:42 PM
Pass the test, pay your money, pass the crime screen and its yours.

Yohan
December 28, 2002, 02:45 PM
Thank god I don't live in California so when I'm old enough to apply, I can cite the 2nd amendment. :p

Peetmoss
December 28, 2002, 02:56 PM
You have to show cause in Onondaga County. This cause must set you aside from the general population. This cause can not be personal protection. This is all due to the Infamous Judge Mulroy. Who has been removed from the bench.

Kevinch
December 28, 2002, 03:03 PM
In PA, or at least my part of PA, you have to indicate your reason for wanting the license, most people (me included) put "self defense" which is then printed on the license.

I think that is the type of license, not the reason.

You can indicate "HUNTING", in which case you will be issued a permit that allows handgun hunting, but not concealed carry. I believe that is a less expensive fee too.

As a "shall issue" commonwealth, we don't have to offer a reason - just apply for the license that we want.

blades67
December 28, 2002, 03:24 PM
I'm glad I live in a "shall issue" state.

ArmyCop
December 28, 2002, 03:29 PM
Here in Alabama you just hand them your drivers license (they do a computer lookup to make sure non-felon) then $20 and sit & smile for your photo. About 20 min's later your outta there with your permit. No tests, no class to take, no reason's to give, Heck, you don't even have to own a gun to get one as you don't have to list what you have. My first permit - I got it about a week before I got my first gun.
Only Vermont beats Alabama in this.

Average Guy
December 28, 2002, 05:13 PM
We don't test people before we let them speak or vote, do we?

Ahh...but maybe we should test some of them. :D

labgrade
December 28, 2002, 05:31 PM
Please don't take this the wrong way in the least. Back at the house after a coupla hectic days & having a bit of an adult celebratory beverage.

I think we all need to keep an eye on the ball regards some thing "2nd Amend."

Many (I've been there too) are "high-fiving" that a CCW can even be had. Congratulary opines given on how best to apply, etc.

All well 'n good.

But consider the condition we've reached such a state of affairs.

Requiring a permit to exercise a right, jump a hoop, fill in the blank properly .... (sigh)

Won't argue that the ability is better than not.

BTW, a while back, "all lawful purposes" flew even in Mass ....

ninenot
December 28, 2002, 06:00 PM
Being from Wisconsin, there is no such thing as a CC permit.

HOWEVER, we may have one this time next year. The worm has FINALLY turned and both the State Senate and the Assembly are Repubican.

Governor is a lunatic (guns are for him, his personal police force, and the coppers ONLY) and will veto--but it's likely that he will be over-ridden.

Kevinch
December 29, 2002, 12:11 AM
Only Vermont beats Alabama in this.

Well - in my part of PA (Westmoreland County), a pic isn't required either - nor a test, class, fingerprints, etc. Although there is an application to fill out, which (at least in this county) requires 2 character references. Ours is good for 5 years, & cost $17 when I had mine renewed.

Fairly painless proceedure, although not quite as good as Vermont!

Blackhawk
December 29, 2002, 12:15 AM
Shall issue state, so I didn't need to give a reason.

But my personal reasons are I'm entitled to it, I'd rather have it and not need it than otherwise, it makes buying guns much easier, and it supposedly gets more respect from LEOs should I have to ID myself.

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