Australia: "Alarm at kids with firearms"


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cuchulainn
December 28, 2002, 10:44 AM
Help, help our children are being introduced to the eeeevil gun culture! Oh, the mortification!

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5759938%255E2862,00.html

Alarm at kids with firearms

By KATE UEBERGANG
29dec02

VICTORIA has a new generation of gun users -- including 151 aged 12.

Under the state's three junior licences, about 5000 Victorians aged 12 to 17 use hand guns, shotguns and semi-automatic weapons while supervised by a licensed adult.
Juniors have the same tests as adults.

Many youngsters use the licences to shoot foxes and rabbits, while others are competitive shooters or members of recreational clubs.

About 80 per cent of young shooters live outside metropolitan Melbourne.

About 650 juniors have proceeded to acquire a game licence to hunt deer, ducks, quail, pheasants and partridges.

Juniors are not allowed to own guns, but many do by registering them in a parent's name until they reach 18.

Gun Control Australia president John Crook said his members were "mortified and appalled the Government has acted so irresponsibly and allowed our children to be socialised into the gun culture".

He said people should be allowed to handle a gun until they were 18.

He believed many junior licence holders used guns without adequate supervision.

"It is a nonsense to think kids are only shooting with their parent or a licensed shooter," Mr Crook said.

Victoria Police manager in charge of the licensing services branch, Supt David Dettmann, said category A/B was the most popular junior licence, with 4809 juniors using long-arm rifles.

He said most young people with A/B licences lived on farms and used guns to hunt vermin.

Supt Dettmann said another 188 children held a category C licence, allowing use of semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns.

About 200 children had more than one licence.

Supt Dettmann said that while the Federal Government had clamped down on adults obtaining category C weapons since 1996, the guns were still popular with juniors.

"Semi-automatics are allowed for children because they are a lot softer to shoot. There is less recoil and kids who are taking up clay target shooting will use them," he said.

More than 130 juniors had hand gun licences for any calibre used in competitions.

Supt Dettmann said many people would think 12 was too young to hold a gun licence.

"But there are a lot of junior sports that have a set of rules that come in around 12," he said.

He said tests filtered out juniors who were not ready to use firearms.

"You have to have maturity as a child to pass those tests," he said.

Junior Werribee shooter Tracy Brownrigg said she enjoyed the sport favoured by her father and older brother.

The 17-year-old is the youngest girl at her Monday night practical rifle competition.

She sat for her junior shooting licence at 12 and joined the Sporting Shooters' Association Springvale range.

Tracy said she enjoyed the challenge of shooting.

"It is fun to try to beat your best," she said.

She said she would register her .22 and another gun in her name when she turned 18.

"They are registered in dad's name at the moment," Tracy said.

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Drizzt
December 28, 2002, 05:20 PM
Something must be done about this. Perhaps pass a law? :rolleyes:

Capital Punishment
December 28, 2002, 07:34 PM
I like the guys name. Mr. Crook! Funny! :p

cuchulainn
December 28, 2002, 07:53 PM
Yeah, and I found the name √úbergang kind of humorously disturbing as the author of a gun control article.

Deadman
December 28, 2002, 08:21 PM
I wish Australia had a 'gun-culture'.

90% of Australians wouldn't even spend 2 seconds per day thinking about firearms and the associated issues of firearms.
They're generally so preoccupied with sport, beer, shopping, TV etc that they are your atypical western sheople.


And one small point that that article failed to specify (because it doesn't have anything to refer to as far as I can recall ) is that, while children may be licensed sporting shooters, there have not been any major accidents/incidents associated with junior sporting shooters (and I'm sure even a minor incident would result in immense media coverage, but there's been none of that either).

deej
December 28, 2002, 08:27 PM
Well, at least Aussie children aren't being introduced to the evil "writing-paragraphs-with-more-than-one-sentence" culture.

DJ

cuchulainn
December 28, 2002, 08:47 PM
Well, at least Aussie children aren't being introduced to the evil "writing-paragraphs-with-more-than-one-sentence" culture.

http://smilies.crowd9.com/contrib/geno/rofl.gif

2nd Amendment
December 28, 2002, 10:40 PM
They're generally so preoccupied with sport, beer, shopping, TV etc that they are your atypical western sheople.

How is it our "culture" managed this debacle in less than 70 years? We(the US, Australia, Great Britain, etc) managed to forget everything that pertains to survival and independence and happily replaced it with dependency, inability and cowardice. Not that I don't know the "causes"; urbanization, technology, etc, but how could we so completely forget? How could we become so easily satiated by such shallow things as pro-sports and chain-stores?

I'm amazed at times. Baffled. Depressed.

MountainPeak
December 28, 2002, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by cuchulainn
http://smilies.crowd9.com/contrib/geno/rofl.gif :D :D

TheLastBoyScout
December 29, 2002, 01:44 AM
If aussies get alarmed at kids with sporting shotguns... they really had better not look inside the homes of most THRers (like myself and NSF for example)

rifleman
December 29, 2002, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by 2nd Amendment
How is it our "culture" managed this debacle in less than 70 years? We(the US, Australia, Great Britain, etc) managed to forget everything that pertains to survival and independence and happily replaced it with dependency, inability and cowardice. Not that I don't know the "causes"; urbanization, technology, etc, but how could we so completely forget? How could we become so easily satiated by such shallow things as pro-sports and chain-stores?

I don't know and I don't care.
















*grin*

Deadman
December 29, 2002, 07:31 AM
" How is it our "culture" managed this debacle in less than 70 years "



In my opinion the communist/socialist influence and subversion of the last 50 odd years...

hipower22
December 31, 2002, 05:33 AM
I wouldn't believe anything Crook said. The truth is a complete stranger to him. Why any journalist would listen to him is a mystery. I guess journalists are just downright stupid - Australian ones, anyway.

The Herald Sun is one of Rupert Murdoch's rags. :banghead:

cuchulainn
December 31, 2002, 10:09 AM
I wouldn't believe anything Crook said. The truth is a complete stranger to him. Why any journalist would listen to him is a mystery. I guess journalists are just downright stupid - Australian ones, anyway.

Well it amazes me that U.S. reporters quote the Violence Policy Center here. The truth isn't a stranger to them; it's their sworn enemy.

hipower22
December 31, 2002, 05:26 PM
The truth isn't a stranger to them; it's their sworn enemy.

Amen to that, cuchulainn.

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