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guitar7272
December 28, 2002, 02:29 PM
Hey guys, your input is much appreciated.

Im getting my tax return check in a couple of months (Im lucky enough that I actually get money back since Im only 19 and don't make enough to warrant the feds taking all my money) and Im planning to use it to get my own handgun.

My dad will be buying it, we have all the necessary permits, and we're all ready to go. But I'm undecided as to which one to get.

Ive narrowed it down to:
SigArms P220
or something in the Kimber line, like a Custom Carry or Eclipse Target.

(Since I live in jersey, this gun will not be used for concealed carry)

Any recommendations?

thanks,
Scott

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AndABeer
December 28, 2002, 02:35 PM
If you can find a Kimber pre-II model I would opt for it. Otherwise, I'd get the 220.

dairycreek
December 28, 2002, 03:06 PM
They are exceptionally well made, realiable, and accurate. They are also durable and, with reasonable care, will last a lifetime. Good shooting:)

pogo2
December 28, 2002, 04:52 PM
I'd personally buy the Sig P220 - maybe the all stainless version now available. I've had nothing but good luck with Sigs, and find them reliable and accurate. The Kimbers are generally good, but don't rank as high as Sigs in reliability, in my opinion.

http://www.gunnerynetwork.com/SIG/images/220st-4-small.jpg

BiG_MaN
December 28, 2002, 04:58 PM
It's hard to beat the value of a entry level Kimber. Although either gun is an excellent firearm, IMO.

rick458
December 28, 2002, 06:32 PM
Get the Full size Kimber you will not be sorry

gorf
December 28, 2002, 06:40 PM
Get the one that feels best for you. Either one will be a good choice. However, I think everyone should own at least one 1911.

blades67
December 28, 2002, 07:06 PM
I have both a SIG Sauer P220 and a Kimber Custom II. I suggest you flip a coin for your answer. Either way you win.:cool:

Nosferatu
December 28, 2002, 07:10 PM
Between the two, if I could only own one gun, I would pick the P220. As much as I like 1911's, I tend to tinker with them too much, which means my gun my be in pieces or sent off for work when I may need it. The Sig will work right out of the box, with the only real necessary addition (for me) is night sights.

Go with the P220.

10-Ring
December 28, 2002, 07:13 PM
I've been told many times that no collection is complete w/o a 1911. That said, I have yet to run into a 1911 that didn't need some fine tuning. SIGs OTOH have a reputation for out of box reliability & dependability.
All things considered, of the options you've given, I'd go w/ the SIG.

cratz2
December 28, 2002, 07:35 PM
The SIGs always feel top heavy to me but have always found them to be utterly reliable. For ergonomics, I'd definately give the 1911 the nod.

If I wan't planning on carrying, I'd be 100% for the 1911. The basic Kimber is a good choice as is a Springfield Loaded. With the Springfields, I'd handle a few of them at the shop and take the best one. There is a bit of variation from piece to piece. Moreso with Springfield than Kimber. In my experience.

guitar7272
December 28, 2002, 11:20 PM
Seems to be about even on the two... kinda what I expected.
What I'm really looking for is a solid, dependable, accurate, good looking gun. I love the all stainless or combination of black/stainless.

That being said, cosmetics is way at the bottom of my list, I want something I can have and depend on for a long time.

Is there any gun that I might be overlooking as a good choice?

(Im going to pick up a Colt 1911 which my grandfather, who is no longer with us, "aquired" from the airforce in WWII. So don't worry, either way, I wont be without a 1911)

thanks guys

chaim
December 29, 2002, 06:08 AM
Im only 19 and don't make enough to warrant the feds taking all my money) and Im planning to use it to get my own handgun.

My dad will be buying it, we have all the necessary permits, and we're all ready to go. But I'm undecided as to which one to get.
Two things. First, double check the law to be sure whether or not this qualifies as a straw purchase (not sure if it does I'm just saying to check). If it does don't do it, you and your dad may never be able to buy a gun again (not to mention the fun jail time). Also, check state law about what age you need to be to possess a handgun. Don't want any of our new young members getting into trouble that keeps them from owning guns for the rest of their lives, especially this early in your gun owning days.

Bushrat
December 29, 2002, 06:41 AM
I agree, you can't go wrong with a Sig. But since cosmetics is at the bottom of your list, may I play Salmon and try swimming against the current. How about a Glock 21. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." And they will last forever and a day!;)

guitar7272
December 29, 2002, 08:34 AM
chaim,

I appreciate the heads-up, since im living in the peoples republik of New Jersey and all, but I mispoke. What I meant to say is my dad is planning to buy a handgun :D.

But seriously, I am aware of what you talk about, and in NJ that would be considered a straw purchase if certain guidlines werent followed. Being that I still live at home, it will actually be in his possesion until we hit the range. At that time, under N.J.S 2C:58-3.1, he can do a temporary transfer for the duration of practice (the above said law allows the transfer of long rifles and handguns to anyone over the age of 18, licensed or not). I will not be going around with it without him, which would than violate the statutes.

On a side note, I am in possession of my NJ Firearms ID card, and do have several long rifles in my name. Plus my dad is in possession of a couple of handguns already.

Thanks for your concern, I appreciate it. I assure you we have every intention to follow the laws in NJ, Neither of us want to fall victim to this legal system.

tlhelmer
December 29, 2002, 08:39 AM
Sig P-220 was and is my choice. The 220 is very accurate and reliable.

chaim
December 29, 2002, 01:17 PM
guitar7272,

Glad to see that you already thought of that. Sounds good then. So I guess he will "gift" it to you when you turn 21. I assume you are more familiar w/ state laws there then me so I assume you know what hoops you need to jump through for that- here I'd need to go to a state police barracks with the gun and the new owner for a sale or gift so he/she could fill out the proper paperwork, pay the proper fees and have a background check to be sure he/she is suitable to exercise his/her constitutional rights, err, I mean to own a gun.

chaim
December 29, 2002, 01:25 PM
Oh, about which gun. Well, I wouldn't want to be without a 1911 if I was to own a .45 (which I do)- in fact I wouldn't mind only owning 1911s (though there are a few other .45s I want). At any rate I'm not sure how comfortable I would be shooting a gun as valueable as your grandfather's gun (both financial and I assume sentimental value). Occasionally, sure, as an only 1911 probably not. You need a 1911 that you can shoot as much as you can afford to shoot it and not worry about it.

My best friend has a stainless Kimber Custom Target II and frankly it is a wonderful gun. 100% reliable (he has thousands of rounds through it in just a few months and he hasn't yet had a glitch of any kind) and highly accurate. Functionally it doesn't really do anything better than my cheap Charles Daly (at least since I discarded the factory mags) but it is just a much more beautiful gun- the quality of the materials and the fit and finish is great. The only problem (cheap and easy to fix) is the darned plastic mainspring housing- tacky to have that on such an otherwise nice (almost perfect) gun. In 10 years I'd guess that my CD will show its age and that Kimber will be almost as good as the day he bought it.

Of course the SIG is a nice gun too.

emann
December 30, 2002, 12:17 AM
A Kimber would be nice since you'll not be carrying it concealed and can baby it somewhat. But please, do make sure you shoot it. :rolleyes:

makarov
December 30, 2002, 01:04 AM
If you don't have to worry about concealing it the CZ-97 is a great gun. So is the CZ-85 Combat in 9mm. I am very partial to the CZ line. Great guns for any price. It doesn' t hurt that they are a pretty good deal. I would never call them cheap. The 97 is a BIG gun, so try it out in your hands to see if it fits you. I really like the grip on the CZ-75/85 series.

sm
December 30, 2002, 01:10 AM
Though I like the 1911 style myself I always suggest a buyer try a gun before they buy. Fit , MOA...etc. Your choices and others given worth a testing before buying.

tlhelmer
December 30, 2002, 08:34 AM
Both are great guns. I prefer the Sig 220.

Bottom Gun
December 30, 2002, 09:21 AM
The Sigs are nice, but Kimbers are very hard to beat.
My shooting buddy lets me fire his P220 whenever I want, but I've found I prefer my Kimbers. maybe it simply because I've been shooting the 1911 style for so much longer, but I do much better accuracy wise with one of my Kimbers than with Darrel's Sig.

Another thing you may want to consider is availability of accessories like holsters. you can pick up a good 1911 holster in any gun shop on the planet but my friend has trouble finding what he wants for his P220.

Kevinch
December 30, 2002, 10:06 AM
It's hard to say, because you are trying to choose between 2 different types of firing systems - the SIG being DA/SA, & the Kimber a pure SA. Although that distinction might have more impact in a CCW application, it stills deserves consideration.

You need to decide which you prefer.

That said, I have (2) Kimber 1911 handguns, and like them both. Can't say anything bad about them, & would recommend the brand.

Neal Bloom
December 30, 2002, 10:46 AM
I was undecided bwtween a SIG P220 and a Kimber. Not many Kimber dealers in my neck of the woods. I had purchased a SIG P225 and was very impressed. I received a SIG P220 for my birthday this month and am quite impressed with how accurate it is. I will probably buy a Kimber this coming year since I do not have a 1911 in my collection.

armabill
December 30, 2002, 12:36 PM
I have a 239 and 245 Sigs. If I didn't have these, my choice would be the 220.

Schuey2002
December 30, 2002, 04:00 PM
I've got a Sig P228 and love it. So,as you may have guessed,my vote is for the Sig P220. ;)

45R
December 31, 2002, 01:57 AM
I had that same problem a month ago. After careful consideration, I went with the Kimber Custom Target II. I decided that my first .45 had to be a 1911. The Sig P220 is an awesome gun, but I have always love the feel of a Kimber.

I dont regret my decision...I was lucky enough to have aquired a nice Sig P226 later in the same month in a trade.

Good luck with your decision. It just comes down to what you want in a .45, for me it was a target pistol.


45R

SouthpawShootr
December 31, 2002, 10:13 PM
Personally, I'd go with the Kimber. Specifically the new TLE. In fact, my dealer has one I'm lusting over right now. I may buy it, but I'm trying to stay away from it (like trying to stay away from a chocolate cake).

17poundr
May 9, 2008, 04:15 PM
The SIG-220 is quality, no doubt... But it's also about one thousand (am I wrong, I could go to the site, and check, but I think I'm in the general ballpark, or am I)?

So, whatkind of 1911 could you get with about one thousand?

Well, check this out, ( http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?item=PX1445RBH ).

It's a Para-Ordnance 1911, with a 14 x .45apc magazine! And it costs just under 950dollars, check it out from this store for example (I know I would if I lived in the states. People cherish the right you have. It aint so easy in most of the E.U.)http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?item=PX1445RBH

Now, I think that's a good deal. Then again, if you have more money to put into it, I would get an STI 1911 (in .45apc, or .40s&w), I think you can get one of their 2011 models, from about 1800 usd...

But, I aint saying the Sig is bad... No sir! from all first time impressions (and I get many, as I rent the gun I shoot my session at the firing range, as I dont have a licence yet. And the SIG-226 gave me the best results for a first time on a particular semi-auto , well it's aalmost a tie with the 1911)... Have you considered the 1911 models that SigSauer are making? (are they 'real' 1911s, or just very close to a 'real' 1911)?

Having said that, we trained with a FN-9mm in the army, and I got to be pretty accurate with those fixed sights... All I'm saying is, the FN .40cal, might be something to look into... Still, your choises are good. A tough desicion indeed! (I havent had the pleasure of firing a SIG 220, but the Colt 1911, made in the 80s, that I shot 100 rounds of .45apc from was a pleasure! And from looking at the target, it makes very large holes)!

Oh, and just to throw an idea to the mix, have you thought of a H&K usp, in .45apc? It could be a very interesting alternative... Just a thought... ;)

And sorry If I got carried away playing the devils advocate... I guess it's just the thought of being able to submit my id, and collecting a quality gun like the ones you are thinking of... Well, that is a thought that makes my mind race with ideas! :) I think I might end up buying about five, (and that's only handguns)!!! :banghead: Sigh...:o

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