A Nice Bear


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Wildalaska
February 11, 2003, 09:21 PM
One of our customers emailed this to me, evidently 11 footer shot on Kamchatka, one shot kill at 100 yards...Ill be posting more pics up on a web page but fer now, a preview...I like his gun room too...

http://www.wildwestguns.com/images/KamBear1.jpg

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Ikari
February 12, 2003, 01:00 AM
The bear: :what:

The guns: :banghead: (I live in California...)

lilbiggun
February 12, 2003, 02:04 AM
My god, that room is paradise:)

Did he shoot it with the 50, 457 or 45-70? Nice bear thats for sure.

Wildalaska
February 12, 2003, 02:37 AM
He used a 350 grain jacketed 45/70 load, I am trying to find out which one...

Keith
February 12, 2003, 02:33 PM
That's about an 8 foot bear.

Keith

Pawcatch
February 12, 2003, 04:13 PM
I didn't know that you could bring your own firearms into Russia.
On one of the websites that offers bear hunting in Kamchatka says that they loan you a Dragunov style Tiger carbine to hunt with.

Wildalaska
February 12, 2003, 04:53 PM
Hi Keith he says it was 11 foot...

Keith
February 12, 2003, 05:50 PM
>>>Hi Keith he says it was 11 foot...<<<<

They're all eleven footers until you measure them.

Keith

redneck
February 12, 2003, 09:02 PM
How long is that rifle propped up on its paw?
I think 11ft is a little bit of a stretch, but I don't know jack about bears.
Either way, judgin by that room he's a lucky SOB :D

muleshoe
February 13, 2003, 09:34 AM
It looks to be an 1895, if so, then it's about a 41"er.

Where do you measure bears? Tail to nose?

Keith
February 13, 2003, 01:55 PM
The rifle is a Co-Pilot which has a 16" barrel and an overall length of about 34".

Keith

H&Hhunter
February 13, 2003, 03:55 PM
Maybe it's an 11 footer if...And only if you were to measure left front to right rear paw and the hide was stretched. That's an old bear/cat hunters way of exagerating a hide for the client. I wouldn't doubt if that is what the Russians do to make these bears sound larger than they are.

That bear in the picture is not very large at all.

Kamchatka also has had some real sleazy hunting practices going on lately. Such as winter time den hunting, shooting of females with cubs and leaving or shooting the cubs Shooting from a helicopter and huge over booking and hunting of specific areas to name a few.

The Rooskies are on the fast track to total habitat and population destruction with their current hunting practices. I say no thanks.

Wildalaska
February 13, 2003, 05:11 PM
Hi my understanding this was a fair chase hunt a few years ago

They're all eleven footers until you measure

Dont know how much you lose by way of the taxidermy, not can I take into account camera angle AND my resizing of the image.

QUOTE]That bear in the picture is not very large at all.[/QUOTE]

Still its a nice one, and nicely mounted I may say.....Some might be bigger and some might be smaller, but I always make it a practice to just enjoy other peoples trophies and the pride they take in them...

WildinserytwittycommenthereAlaska

hutch24
February 13, 2003, 05:47 PM
I agree its probably not quite an 11 footer but its a nice bear anyway. :D
BTW: I really want one of those copilots. :D Have to wait for PFD time. :(

muleshoe
February 13, 2003, 05:56 PM
Okay...so where do you measure from?

Keith
February 13, 2003, 07:06 PM
A bear hide is measured from tail to snout and then from front paw to front paw. Those measurements are added together and then divided by two to get the square footage of the hide.

The paw to paw measurement is generally slightly longer than the nose to tail measurement, but not by much. So, you can get a rough measurement by simply measuring nose to tail and adding a smidgen.

In this case we know the rifle is 34" - call it 3 feet - so using it as a guide, the bear comes out at about seven feet, call it eight with curves and the "smidgen" alluded to above.

An eight foot brown bear is a young adult. That measurement accords with the shape of the head which in this case is narrow like a black bears instead of blocky and angular like a mature browny.

It's not like he's robbing the cradle or anything, it's an adult bear that would be legal to shoot anywhere.

Keith

H&Hhunter
February 13, 2003, 07:32 PM
Wildalaska,
I didn't say it wasn't a nice bear. It just ain't no eleven footer as previously claimed.

When a bear or a cat is measured it is measured tip of nose to tip of tail on the animal to get length. When one claims a ten footer that's what we are refering to. If we are claiming squared then that needs to be included in the statement.

Being a bear and cat guide I see lots of people with claimed 8 foot cats and 8 foot black bears. This is usually because they were told this by their guides who used god only knows what method to come up with these measurments.

Another common way to get some extra length out of a hide is to measure it wet skinned and stretched. I've seen a 7'2" cat go over 8' with this method. But by golly the client got his eight footer.

In any case the pictured critter is a real pretty little bear no doubt. And it is the experience and memories that count not the square footage ;)

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