I think it is time for another MD shoot


June 16, 2004, 01:12 PM
I've also posted this here at TFL (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1368183#post1368183). The computer I use most often (the one with the cable hook up) can no longer bring up THR for some reason, the only computer I have that will work for THR is the one with the dial-up connection, so I'm not over here very much anymore. For that reason I'll mostly follow the thread at TFL, though I'll be sure to use the dial-up at least once a week so I can follow this thread. Anyway.....

I think it is past time for a TFL/THR MD shoot. The past few THR shoots (before TFL came back) have gone pretty well but it has been a while and I don't want to lose our "momentum".

I'm pretty open on dates, so long as it is a Sunday (I can't do anything on Sat, but if everyone else would rather do Sat that is fine, I can miss a shoot or two now and again I guess). I haven't thought that much about specific dates. Since we are in mid-June now I'm thinking min-July gives enough time to get it together and not so much that people won't know if they will be free. For me the only caveat is that sometime in early July, and I don't know which weekend, I will be in Ohio to visit an uncle who is dying of cancer.

I'm thinking about Sunday, July 18th (the day after my birthday) as a good time for the shoot, but if people would prefer another day post it and we'll see if that is better for more people. As usual, I'm thinking about 2 or 3 pm so that those of you who are church-goers can go to church and still have time for lunch with the family, yet it is early enough for a couple hours range time.

It might be too hot, but my first choice is the Hap Baker range in Westminister. In addition to being a rifle range, I'm sure the pistol range should be completed at Hap Baker by then (if it isn't already). On Target (indoors) is my second choice (and first if we're getting 95-100 degree temps and matching humidity, which isn't unheard of in mid-July ;) ).

Post here if you can make it, have a preference for one range or the other, or want to propose an alternative date (I did say that I hadn't thought too much about it, so I won't be too upset if you don't like the date I suggested :p ).

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Chris Rhines
June 16, 2004, 11:00 PM
I'm down. JRhines probably is as well, if he's not playing golf or something that day... :D

- Chris

June 17, 2004, 09:39 PM
Count me in, I have a K98 Mauser that I haven't run anything through yet and a camp 45 that has an unsighted in red dot on it. I'll probably also bring the Garand, M1 carbine, and SKS. Not sure if I'll bring any pistols unless it's at On Target. If you know of something I have and want me to bring it let me know.

Chaim: If you want someone to look at that computer to see why it won't get to THR anymore let me know.

June 17, 2004, 11:11 PM
I can't make it that day...I'll be starting another camp (one time...at band camp) that day. Gotta make money to support my shooting habit.

I'm a free man as of next Wednesday if anyone is up for a mid-week shoot....I'm in town until July 10 and then after July 24......planning on slinging a lot of lead at On Target, Hap Baker and the PGC trap range :D

June 18, 2004, 01:26 AM
Looking forward to seeing you guys again sometime but .. it's gonna be approaching winter I think before I get down there. Summer schedule is heavy .... but sadly I know summer will be soon gone - always is!

I'll follow your plans and see what happens but ... probably be end of year before next one I manage.

In meantime .. enjoy your shooting ... see ya eventually!

June 18, 2004, 01:31 PM
OK, that is a couple definates so far. I'll try to get to Hap Baker sometime late in June to see if the pistol range is up and running so we know if pistols are workable (of course, any you can hit with at 25 yards can be used at the rifle range).

Norton and P95, sorry we won't see you.

Anapex, thanks for the offer but I don't think it is worth bothering. I've looked over it, checked the security settings, etc, and I can't figure it out. The only website I've noticed this on is THR, I don't get it. It would make more sense if it affected other websites as well. I'm not going to worry about it anymore, I'll just have to use my computer with the dial-up connection a little more.

June 18, 2004, 08:11 PM
The 18th looks good for me so far.

Norton and I were at Hap Baker last week, and the handgun range was about 98% done. And boy is it nice!

They still need to get the trolleys up, but it should be done by the 18th.

June 19, 2004, 09:33 AM
I'll be out of town that weekend.

Norton - I'd be up for a mid-week shoot, especially at PGC. I have a flexible schedule so drop me an E-mail if you're interested. Next Thursday or Friday (6/24-25) are open at this point.

June 19, 2004, 07:44 PM
ANApex and I will be out of town that weekend, unfortunately. We can do it the weekend before that or after. Otherwise, we'll just catch ya'll next time.

June 19, 2004, 08:22 PM
Guess it sounds like I'll be out of town (gotta listen to the boss). So I guess it'd be nice if we could get another date scheduled.

Chaim: Fixing (and screwing up) computers is part of what I do for a living, so if you want me to I can look at it.

June 20, 2004, 02:16 PM
Norton, MikeK, Anapex and Girlwithagun can't make it that weekend. Only 3 of us have said they can make that weekend. Would anyone object to changing it to the 11th so they can be there too?

June 20, 2004, 10:07 PM
July 11th would be good for me. Tell me a little about the pistol range.

Chris Rhines
June 20, 2004, 10:35 PM
July 11 would also be fine; in fact, would be better than the 18th.

I'd also like to hear a bit about the Hap Baker range - I've never been there and need to know what toys to bring... :D

- Chris

June 21, 2004, 05:20 AM
Hap Baker range is at the rear of the Carroll County landfill on Rt 140 near Westminster.

The rifle range is 9 or 10 points. They supply bench, target frames, backer board, stapler and sand bags. All points are covered and there is ample storage space on tables behind the firing points.

Great place with good range officers who do their job professionally.

Pistol range was not complete as of June 10. Bill (RO) said they were still trying to figure out the trolley system. The powers that be decided that a purpose built trolley system was too expensive and they were going to design their own. So far it wasn't really working.....

Fees for out of county residents are $10 per visit or $60.00 per calendar year.

June 21, 2004, 11:37 AM
Looks like July 11th is it.

As for the range, about all I have to add to what Norton said is that if the pistol range isn't open we will have 25yrd, 50yrd and 100yrd targets. There are two lanes with 200yrd points. You can shoot pistols at the 25yrd target. It is outdoors so dress for the weather. I haven't been there since the last THR shoot so I don't have any more info about the pistol range.

June 21, 2004, 09:45 PM
The 11th seems ok for me too.

I'll pm the collection of MD folks that I've been working on here to see if anybody else is interested.....

June 22, 2004, 06:29 AM
If I'm not working @ the range I'll be there.

Just don't laugh at how lousy of a shot I am with a rifle. :D

June 22, 2004, 10:14 AM
I think I should be able to make it on the 11th!

I can bring some of the new additions, as well as burn up some old ammo from the last shoot.

June 23, 2004, 01:32 PM
11th looks good with me too...

June 24, 2004, 10:36 AM
What time are we thinking so I can get a babysitter?

June 24, 2004, 09:57 PM
How about 2pm?

Gives everybody time to digest lunch :evil:

Dave McCracken
July 2, 2004, 12:54 PM
Any possibility of using buck and slugs? My "Serious" 870s are not getting enough exercise....

July 2, 2004, 02:25 PM
Could someone give me directions there . I was going to give my son in law from P.A. an NRA pistol course while he was here visiting for a P.A. CCW and AGC is shut down for a state shoot for the entire 4th of July weekend. I am not a happy camper considering how much I pay for a range badge each year. I think it would be better spent on a membership elsewhere. but thats another issue.

July 2, 2004, 03:29 PM
molonlabe- directions per Spot77 from our last visit to Hap Bakers

**Hap Baker Range
Carroll County Landfill
Route 140
Westminster MD 21157
Contact: JoAnn Hunter
Phone: 410-386-2103
Shooting opportunities for small and large caliber rifle and pistols.
Open to the Public. Daily or season passes are required Days and times vary.

Coming from Baltimore beltway:
Take rte 795 all the way to the end, it then turns into rte 140 north. Go a few miles until you see the sign for the county landfill on the right (I believe it's shortly after passing the Reece Vol fire Dept on your left).

Turn right into the county landfill and follow the signs all the way to the back.

As it stands now, looks like I'll be leaving on vacation that day, so I won't be able to make it. Darn, and I just got back my AR-180B from Armalite to test.

Maybe next time.


July 2, 2004, 03:41 PM
Well, i purposely avoided this thread because i knew i wouldn't make it.
I am PCSing in less than 2 weeks (yaaaaaahhooooooooooowweeeeeeeeee!!!)
And will thus never meet all of you. That is my loss, I am sure.

But, here's some short notice: a few of us local docs-who-love-guns are meeting at NRA tomorrow AM to shoot a little. We all have other things to do later in the day so we wont stay too long. If any of you show up. Please walk over to me, a medium height muscular caucasian, and his motley crew of friends. We all have short haircuts and will be grinning from ear to ear with the thought of leaving MD!

I wouldd very much like to meet any of you!

If not, to the few i have met and all the rest as well: it has been an honor and my pleasure to live in your community. I will still post and read from my new assignment, as yet I realize I leave behind in 'enemy territory' some truly fine individuals.


July 4, 2004, 12:57 PM

Slugs only.

There are a few lanes out to 200 yards; most are 100 yards I think.

Hopefully the handgun range is completed by now (It should be).

Dave McCracken
July 5, 2004, 08:13 AM
Thanks, but looks like I'll have to pass. Wonderful Wife has some plans.

July 5, 2004, 06:17 PM
OK guys, we are less than a week away. I hope we get a good crowd. I know many people will be away on vacation during the summer, but we usually get good crowds for these things and it has been a while since the last one. If you miss this one I doubt if we'll do another before Sept (I could be wrong- if enough people want a shoot sooner, we'll do a shoot sooner).

Has anyone been there recently (in the past week or two)? If so, is the pistol range up? If no one has been there recently, can anyone get there during the week to check it out? I'll try, but now that I'm working (in Annapolis) it is highly unlikely I'll be able to get there before they close for the day. Does anyone know what time they are closing now? My guess would be around 8pm so if traffic is light, and I don't eat dinner, I might be able to get there Tues or Wen.

If we don't find out I'll probably bring a pistol or two anyway. I'll bring a couple that I know I can hit with at 25 yards so I can use them on the rifle line if the pistol range isn't open, and I'll be ready if it is. They don't take that much room in a range bag so I encourage others to do the same (heck, even if it won't hit at 25 yds it won't hurt to bring one and one box of ammo just in case the pistol range is up and running).

I look forward to seeing everyone.

July 5, 2004, 07:01 PM
Chaim et al,

I'm going up Wednesday to give the Garand a shakedown cruise. I'll check on the handgun range and report back.

July 6, 2004, 04:55 PM
Well here's a partial list of what I plan on bringing:

K98K Mauser
Marlin Camp 45
M1 Garand

If I get them cleaned up in time I may bring the two Enfields I just got. We'll see though caused the were really soaked in cosmo. Girl will probably also bring her 1911 so we'll at least have one pistol with us. If you can think of anything you remember me having and want me to bring it let me know.

July 6, 2004, 06:12 PM

Was it your M1 that always needed "a bump" to get the bolt to close? If I recall, there was little chance of Garand thumb on that gun......I'm curious as to what caused that.

I'm going to have to be very careful with mine......hard to play tuba with your fingers bandaged:p

July 6, 2004, 09:53 PM
Yeah yeah mines the one you gotta slap to close. I've heard explanations of a weak op rod spring or my garand just liking to do it. Guess I should buy a new spring someday and find out.

July 6, 2004, 10:21 PM

Looks like it should be an easy enough fix to get that spring replaced. Maybe we can try and do it together sometime.

July 7, 2004, 03:52 PM
Yeah it shouldn't be hard, I've just been too lazy and haven't ordered the spring yet. Lemme know when you wanna try it.

July 7, 2004, 05:03 PM
I'll post the Garand range report over in the rifle forum, but since I went out to Hap Baker today I thought I'd report back here on the handgun range.

Basically.....nothing to report. Still not open, though they have another trolley up. The RO was handing out the # of the person in charge of the project so that we could encourage him to get it moving.

Also....Bill, the range officer, has left for greener pastures. They are interviewing if anyone is interested:D

July 7, 2004, 06:32 PM
I don't have much in the way of interesting items to bring, but here's the list anyway:

Bushmaster AR15 20" HBAR
Marlin model 25 .22lr
Ruger P95 (9mm)
Ruger P97 (.45)
CZ40B (.40)

I suppose there's no need to bring the Bersa 380, since there ain't a chance in heck of me hitting anything at 75 feet with it:D

July 10, 2004, 08:42 AM
I nominate myself for the "John Kerry award" for being the most boring, as I'm bringing a Yugo SKS (just cleaned and refinished) and a Mosin 91/30.:D

July 11, 2004, 05:21 AM
I'm sorry for joining this discussion so late, but I've been extremely busy these past two weeks or more. I'd love to make it to the shoot today, and will do the best I can, but considering that I'm currently working and won't be off until six-thirty this morning I might be too tired after a twelve-and-a-half-hour, overnight shift. :(

Anyway, we'll see how it goes and if I should miss this one then you can count on my making the next.

July 11, 2004, 05:25 AM
OK, I'm probably not taking that much:
-at least one of the Win 94s (I'll have to check if I have more .45LC or more 30-30 and then I'll decide which one)
-Bushy AR
-maybe the SKS
-maybe my Marlin 60
-maybe the Remington 581
-maybe the Savage 110
-maybe the Ruger MkII
-probably the S&W 57 and a box of .41mag (only 20 rounds)
-maybe one of the .357s
-probably either the 1911 or CZ 75

I'll probably bring 2 or 3 of the probablies and one or two (and maybe 3) of the maybies. I've only got two definites on my list.

See you guys in a few hours.

July 11, 2004, 11:06 AM
Ok here's a list of definites for me:

Marlin Camp 45
Springer 1911
P08 Luger

I may bring my M1 Carbine and another 1911, I just have to check to see if I have enough ammo for the carbine and enough patience to screw around with my troublesome 1911.

July 11, 2004, 12:02 PM
Ugh....too many margaritas last night.

This is going to be some UGLY shooting today.....:(

July 11, 2004, 12:42 PM
OK, here's my revamped list:
-Bushy AR 15
-Ruger MkII

Probably (leaning towards bringing along, though I may just concentrate on the 2 rifles and one pistol above):
-Winchester 94 in .45LC

Possible (leaning against, but I may decide at the last moment to bring them):
-Remington 581
-CZ 75B
-S&W 57

I've decided to mostly pare things down and may only take the 1st three for sure, and maybe one or two more, for two reasons. I haven't been shooting much (last time I took out any rifles was the last THR shoot I went to, I think I went pistol shooting once since then) so it may be better to concentrate on just a couple. I don't want to bring 50lbs of ammo in my backpack so fewer guns, and mostly .223/5.56 and .22lr ammo may be a good thing.

July 11, 2004, 05:59 PM
Well that was fun, and it's always a pleasure seeing everybody (even if my vision was a little blurry from last night's margaritas and beer:uhoh: )

Time to start restocking the ammo bunker :D

Jim K - nice to meet you.....

July 11, 2004, 06:15 PM
I was there from 11 till 2:30. Had no idea who if anyone was from THR. Nice range but not conducive to bringing a lot of guns. I brought my M1A M1 Garand M1 Carbine CAR a 22 and a .308 bolt but wound up just shooting my CAR and .308 Bolt since I didn't want to lug them down the hill. I think I liked the picnic better as my wife and I actually got to meet some of the MD people.

July 11, 2004, 07:51 PM
Great time as always, got to meet some good people and shoot some neat guns (I still feel bad about that G43 Jim). I unfortunately had to retire a couple early in the shoot my K98 seems to have headspace problems (Thanks Jim!) and my Camp 45 shook it's red dot mount loose after a couple magazines. My 1911 seems to be working good again though so at least that's some good news!

Let's not wait so long for the next one!

July 11, 2004, 08:08 PM
I had a great time - thanks to Spot77 and Chaim for letting me shoot their ARs for the first time - loved the spring sound!

Sorry I was so far away from anapex and girlwith a gun - next time maybe it will be less crowded and we can all get lanes closer.

Very happy that both my first time shooters (SKS and Mosin 91/30) put 80 rounds each down range with no problem - though I think with that Mosin my shoulder might not be so happy tomorrow!:D

Definately up for a next time.

July 11, 2004, 09:59 PM
Molonlabe.....sorry I missed you. I got there about 1:45. I thought I saw you there, but having only met you once I wasn't sure if that was you or not.......amd then we all got lanes so far apart.

And it was crowded there today.

Chaim and I discussed another handgun shoot in a few months. I'll send out a mass pm to direct everybody to the new thread when the time comes. Maybe an early fall picnic again too.....

I meant to bring my camera today, but my head was still a little foggy and I forgot it.

July 11, 2004, 10:13 PM
but my head was still a little foggy Paul ... all this mention of margerita excesses etc .. heck, musta bin a grand evening last night!:D

Sounds like you guys had fun .. main pre requisite .. and was sorry not to be along this time. I did tho yesterday enjoy a great range session (and man - you shoulda seen the facility - private club .. set in 160 acres ... all sorts of nice stuff ....... must take a pic sometime).

Hopefully (tho summer will be well gone .. <sigh>.) ..... I might make it down there by November time .. tho hardly want to contemplate that far ahead .... just yet.

Jim K
July 11, 2004, 10:31 PM

Thought you might like an update on the G.43. All fixed and working fine. The dust cover had jumped out of its track (maybe I hadn't put it in right the last time I had the gun apart). It got scratched a bit where it doesn't show, but that is all. Maybe I'll leave it out the next time I shoot the gun; it isn't really needed for firing.

BTW, for those who might be over that way, the range in Frederick has only 50 and 100 yard rifle targets, and 7 and 25 yard pistol, but is bigger and is open air so is a lot less claustrophobic.


July 12, 2004, 01:12 AM
Sorry it took me so long to post.

As usual it was fun...got to try a couple nice guns.

Jim Keenan, thank you for letting me try your Johnson Rifle, I don't know if anyone could tell but I couldn't get that stupid grin off my face while I was shooting it. I love it (great gun in and of itself, and being into military history- man...). Here is a page on the Johnson for anyone who is interested: http://www.johnsonautomatics.com/ The only problem is now I really want to get one, and they are quite hard to find and in shooting condition they are well out of any price range that I can consider for quite some time. Oh well.

Anapex, thanks for the use of the M1Garand. Again, great rifle, and being into military history, I must get one. Not sure when, but sometime in the next year (I hope).

Girlwithagun, Spot77, greyhound, it was good to see you all. Greyhound, that is one nice Nagant you've got.

Talking to Spot we're thinking the next one should be an indoor pistol shoot. Wait for the fall for another outdoor shoot. Aug is usually a heavy vacation month so I doubt we'd get that many people. Probably Sept would be best for the next one (probably mid to late in the month so those with kiddies and the teacher among us can get the school year started without distraction).

July 12, 2004, 12:23 PM
the Sunday chores got the best of me, and then I had to go to NoVA in the late afternoon, so it seemed the meetup was doomed.

I'll try to make the next one. It sounds like the Hap Baker range is getting pretty crowded these days . . . .

July 12, 2004, 12:48 PM
The range layout was nice and the noise abatement scheme interesting. I don’t think I have ever seen anything like it. It was like being in a dark tunnel. I was able to confirm that my vortex flash hider actually did suppress almost all the flash from my 16 inch CAR AR. The pistol range looks like it will be as good as any indoor range when and if it is finished. I do not like to teach new people at 25 yard ranges. I think it is counterproductive to good learning/positive feedback. Other than that I’ll keep my AGC membership, as it was too crowded for me.

The sign posted asking that because of the Sniper (Malvo et al.) that people limit their magazines to 20 rounders annoyed me. Now there’s a concept based solidly in pudding. If I remember correctly only one shot was taken on each attack and Malvo actually selected a bolt action rifle but it was lost during one of his practice sessions. Luckily I only brought my 20 rounders because I prefer them on the range.

July 12, 2004, 05:25 PM
Yeah, those signs are a little stupid.....but I've seen TONS of people with 30 and 40 round mags and nobody has ever said anything to them.

The signs were a kne jerk reaction to appease the hunters who flood the place in the fall to site in their $2,000 bolt action hunting rifles.....you know the ones.....they think that "Assault rafles ain't got no lagitmit use for nothin"

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