What's your favorite blackpowder or substitute?


February 13, 2003, 04:43 PM
So what's in your horn or flask?

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Gerald McDonald
February 13, 2003, 06:05 PM
I voted Pyrodex but usually use Goex. But given my druthers Pyrodex cleanup is a little easier.

Used to have Goex as one of my customers, went on a couple of sales calls with the store manager who worked the local store for the company I worked for. After meeting about 10 different people at Goex, the store manager leaned over when we were by ourselves and said " I never seen so many people with fingers missing" after he said that I noticed none of the people we met had all 10 fingers.


Mike Weber
February 13, 2003, 06:08 PM
I like the Swiss for target rifle accuracy. For my other black powder shooting I use GOEX. I don't use any of the substitutes.

4v50 Gary
February 13, 2003, 06:53 PM
Goex. When you buy by the case and split with friends & family, it's about all you're going to get.

February 13, 2003, 07:09 PM
I've always heard Swiss is the best, but I have pounds of Elephant I still have to use, so I haven't tried Swiss myself yet.

Back when I used to frequent the Muzzleloader boards a lot, guys would get into detailed discussions about powder lots. Powder lot XXX from 1999 of brand Y would be great, but don't buy lot ZZZ of the same brand from 2000.

I guess I'm not picky, as I've used whatever I was sent of both Elephant and Goex and never noticed any problems.

February 14, 2003, 09:03 PM

Robby from Long Island
February 22, 2003, 07:13 PM

As I'm not yet a BP shooter, kindly enlighten me as to the story of most of the people missing some of their fingers. Why are they missing digits?

Gerald McDonald
February 22, 2003, 09:04 PM
Howdy Robby, after talking to the plant maintenance manager it appears anyone who had worked at the plant for over about 8-10 years had been involved in some form of explosion. Some major, some minor but evidently gunpowder plants are hard on digits. He asked if we had noticed all of the earthen berms that lined each building and all of the plant roads in and out. It appears the berms are there to funnel explosions upward as opposed to outward where the city was. This was not a blackpowder production facility per say, but was an industrial explosives production site. One of that production facilitys sister locations actually blew up one night a few years later (it was about a 12 mile drive from my house and I had never even known it was there) at about 2 in the morning. It rattled the windows in my house which probably is at least 10 miles as the crow flys.

February 23, 2003, 07:46 PM
It's my favorite for .45-70 accuracy loads. Well, that, and about 5 grains of WW231 against the primer before the main blackpowder charge gets drop-tubed on top of it. ;)

February 24, 2003, 08:02 PM
Nothing but pure black for me. :D

February 26, 2003, 03:24 AM

February 26, 2003, 03:26 AM
Lil Gun...

March 7, 2003, 03:28 PM
Bruz, please tell me that you are shooting one of the new Savage muzzleloaders!

March 8, 2003, 05:07 AM
Bruz, please tell me that you are shooting one of the new Savage muzzleloaders!

Yes sir! :neener:

March 9, 2003, 05:22 PM
The last two years I have been using Cleanshot and have had great success with it. I want to try triple 7 this year and see how it does. Some freinds of mine say that triple 7 works real well.

April 30, 2003, 02:54 PM
I use clear shot

Well, I do have some pyrodex pellets to use up. Wait until feb or march, and Wally world has it sometimes 1/2 price. (what does that tell you about the markup?)

I've been shooting some 777 in my hawken, and I can't tell much difference in my T/C hawken. (converted to musket caps instead of #11s)

I've noticed that inlines with 209 primer ignition and sidelocks with musket caps or 209 ignitions are very consistent with several powders. I will surmise from this that many of the powders varied in how well they ignited.

In my Knight, I have noticed very little difference between pyrodex, pyrodex pellets, clear shot, or 777 at 100 yards with 150 grain (or equivalent) loads.

If you haven't guessed by now, I'm not a flintlock purist. A muzzleloader is something to enjoy, and extend my hunting seasons.

I will say that the hawken is my favorite to shoot, I guess because it's unhurried.

Sir Galahad
April 30, 2003, 11:52 PM
Goex and Wano. But I'm aiming to try some Swiss one of these days.

May 10, 2003, 07:03 PM
Mostly Goex, but my usually dealer no longer carries black powder. Ended up at Galyans and bought 2 lbs of Elephant to try it out. It's the Elephant that will get used in my new Pedersoli 1874 Sharps in .45-70.


July 17, 2003, 09:58 AM
This forum doesn't get much traffic, but I just got into BP shooting, so I'll "bump" this thread to the top for some fresh opinions. :)

Not just for traffic, but because I want some more advice on powders. I started with some pellets of unknown (i can't remember) brand, and just got a jug of 777. I want to find the easiest to clean powder.

Navy joe
July 17, 2003, 11:08 AM
Easiest to clean? Just shoot real Bp and use non-petroleum lubes like Ballistol and Bore butter. I didn't think it would make much of a difference, but this forum said to do it and I did. It's been months since I cleaned my New Army clone, fired it since, no rust, no nasty build-ups. So Goex FFFg for me. Next question, what are you guys paying per pound. I paid 13 bucks, but it looks like 1 lb will do me for 250-300 shots, so that's not so bad.

July 17, 2003, 01:11 PM
wow...after reading this, and the bore butter thread, I'll try that when I get more money. i got some 777 FF to try, but that was 18.99/lb. Goex BP at <$15 is sounding reaal attractive...plus it's authentic.

July 17, 2003, 03:40 PM
Cheap BP: I buy in single pound cans, Goex for $10 and Elephant for $7 from a guy up near NSSA headquarters northwest of Winchester,VA. I just stop in when I'm passing through on I-81.
Of course locally, it's near $14 per pound for Goex.
Blue86buick: Have you tried Pyrodex? I can get that locally for around $13-14 per pound. It's not bad for caplocks and inlines.

July 17, 2003, 05:26 PM
Pyrodex can be had in their cheaper FFG grade for 12.99 or 14.99/lb (can't remember). I'll pay a little more for powder, if I can be lazy. I don't hunt, I just plink for now...so I'd like to be able to shoot my guns a lot, on a frequent basis, without HAVING to clean them all the time. Hence, why I'm trying the 777. I've heard Pyrodex is easier/less smelly to clean up than BP, but is actually more corrosive. Whatever works, as long as it's not $20 or more a pound.

BTW, if it makes any difference, I'm using a 209'ed inline. I've tried pellets (not sure what brand), and that was really convenient. :) But I'll use powder if it'll be cheaper/last longer.

July 17, 2003, 09:23 PM
Don't even bother buying a powder based on easy to clean -- just use Windex. It takes me less time to clean my Great Plains rifle using the Windex method than it takes me to clean a semi-auto pistol.

July 17, 2003, 11:42 PM
Goex, since it's all I can seem to find. Started out on Pyrodex, but the 1860 doesn't like it at all , and BP tastes better...:what: :D

July 18, 2003, 11:44 AM
Well, not so much "easy to clean"...I wouldn't think Goex would be that hard to clean. It's moreso that I don't want to have to clean it that night after I get done shooting. Bore Butter may be the best thing since the metallic cartridge replaced BP, but I don't know...I want to be able to shoot a lot (couple days a week), for cheap, and be lazy (not clean it every time. Guess a BP rifle isn't the best thing for that. :p

July 18, 2003, 03:47 PM
Yeah, they make these fancy non-corrosive shooters that use smokeless powder. Heck of an easy cleanup! :p
Personally, I use crisco, which is a non-petroleum lube. It still doesn't cut BP fouling worth a darn compared to shooting pyrodex (though it does swab out easy). I can shoot Pyrodex all day without swabbing once.

July 18, 2003, 04:28 PM
Heck of an easy cleanup? H-E-double "L", I don't clean my "fancy schmancy", smokeless smokepole, non-corrosive, easy to clean firearms. Well, I do...just not very often...but like I said, I'm lazy and proud of it! :neener:

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