Ruger PC-9?


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Steelharp
December 28, 2002, 11:27 PM
Anybody have any experience with these? I really like the look of it in the new Ruger catalog...

Mikey D

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Chainsaw
December 28, 2002, 11:52 PM
SH, I am thinking without looking at the Ruger website your talking of the 9mm Carbine?

I have the Marlin 9mm Camp Carbine, and while the function of this carbine is great and high cap magazines are readily available, I am disapointed in the performance of this cartridge in my carbine. It is only 1283 fps vs. 1175 fps in my four in 9mm s/a handgun.

I still have my Marlin but would like to replace it with another M1Carbine. A 110 grain bullet at 1900+fps. Something that you could easily dial in for 100 yards.

Your situation and what you would use the rifle for is probably different, but that is my findings. Hope this helps somewhat.

Incidentally I have heard the Ruger is a good item, though heavy. My Camp Carbine is a bit on the heavy side as well.-----------Chainsaw

enichols
December 28, 2002, 11:57 PM
I don't personally own one, but I've shot one that my good friend owns. They're pretty comfortable, and from what he says they're reliable. Accuracy, well, minute of pie plate is how I'd sum it up.
Most importantly, the thing is just plain FUN to shoot!
Just my $.02 FWIW.
-Nic

Steelharp
December 29, 2002, 12:37 AM
Chainsaw, yeah, that's the one.

Minute of PIE PLATE?? Thanks, Nic... fun to me includes being able to hit the target! I think I'll pass on a PC-9!

Mikey D...

444
December 29, 2002, 12:49 AM
I have one. It sports a Leupold/Gilmore red dot. It is reliable, accuracy isn't bad, mags are readily available up to 30 round capacity (at least they were the last time I looked).
Would I buy another one ? No, probably not. I have nothing against the gun itself but I don't really shoot it much. I was caught up in the idea that it shared magazines with my Ruger P89. I figured it would make a nice plinker, jackrabbit rifle, coyote calling rifle....................... I am sure it would be but I rarely ever try. If you have a good reason for wanting one, it is a good one. My problem is that I have more guns than I can appreciate.

Wyobuckaroo
December 29, 2002, 12:51 AM
Howdy All
Don't stop sending in info and experiences with the PC9 and M9 Marlin. I'm interested also.
Marlins seem to be cheaper but out of production I think.
Ruger is as good as Ruger stuff always is but more money.
Love the M1 carbine but out of sight prices.
Keep posting.
Thanks
Wyo

Preacherman
December 29, 2002, 12:57 AM
If you're looking for a 9mm. carbine, don't neglect the Hi-Point... People are very rude about Hi-Points, but I've never yet shot one that wasn't 100% reliable and perfectly acceptable as far as accuracy was concerned. Also, they're dirt cheap - typically under $200, including sales tax, where I am. A very worthwhile gun, and a great bargain! Sure, they look crummy, but don't judge a book by its cover. You can get them with iron sights or with a Weaver-style rail and cheap red-dot sight.

444
December 29, 2002, 01:08 AM
I own three 9mm carbines dispite the fact that I can't think of one good reason why I own any. I have the Ruger PC9, a Colt lightweight sporter (AR15), and a Hi-Point. If I had some reason to own a 9mm carbine, knowing what I know now, I would get the Hi-Point. It does basically everything the others do at a fraction of the cost.

I paid a lot of money for the 9mm AR. I thought it would be nice to practice my AR technique with an extremly cheap to shoot gun but I realized that is exactly what a .223 AR is already.

Chainsaw
December 29, 2002, 01:43 AM
444 wrote,< I own three 9mm carbines dispite the fact that I can't think of one good reason why I own any. >

I feel precisely the same way about the one I own the Camp Carbine. I have 2 20 round magazines and many 15 rounders for it. Luckily I can use the magazines in my S&W 59 series pistols or I'd have really wasted my money.

Only place I can see a use for one is where handguns are not allowed, wish I could trade mine for another M1Carbine. Hello out there, anybody wanna trade?:D

Camshaft
December 29, 2002, 03:03 AM
i vote for the keltec sub2000. great gun. i would certainly take one over a ruger pc carbine.

444
December 29, 2002, 07:29 AM
:eek:

telewinz
December 29, 2002, 10:36 AM
I've had a Hi-point 9mm carbine and the Marlin before, I mounted low power scopes on both and was satisfied with the results. Got rid of both of them more from boredom than anything else. May pick-up a Hi-Point (like new) tomorrow at dealers for $80 plus tax. I suspect the ones who bad mouth the Hi-Point carbine the most never owned one. The Ruger is nice but way over priced and heavy for what it does. I am a Kel-Tec fan and own a P11 but what I cannot understand is that someone will bad mouth a Hi-point and praise the Sub-2000. At $300 & up for one around here and having looked at the workmanship of the Sub 2000 it makes no sense!

PAshooter
January 3, 2003, 05:52 PM
Was thinking of picking up a PC9 (why? I don't know... guess I've always liked the idea of a pistol-carbine combo that shared ammo) when I came across a used Camp 9 at a price I couldn't pass up. BTW - yes, they are out of production - but parts are readily available at Brownells (and elsewhere, I presume).

Anyway, it's fun little rig... and I occasionally hump it to my indoor range (where anything pistol caliber goes). First time I fired it I shot a 1.25" 10-shot group at 25 yards - the best I'd ever done with iron sights.

What's it good for? I figure it'd be the ideal tool for the elimination of a rabid raccoon or such around the homestead - something we see from time to time. Other than that it's a fun little plinker and I don't regret picking one up. I don't own any S&W pistols, but the magazine commonality would be a plus for anyone who does.

ranger7
January 3, 2003, 11:32 PM
My opinions on three 9 mm carbines. YMMV

I previously owned a Ruger PC-9. Sold it because it was heavy and not the easiest to field strip and clean. I had the impression it was very rugged (i.e. military or police duty.) I had $400+ tied up in it which I thought was a little too much for a "fun gun."

I currently own a Hi-Point (up for consignment sale at my friendly, neighborhood gun shop.) This is the other end of the spectrum, ugly, cheap (and looks it) but it shoots O.K. except for some light strikes on Greek ammo. One limitation is proprietary 10 round magazines. Makes a good trunk or cabin gun that you wouldn't feel too bad if it got ripped off. I'm selling it becuase I have the carbine described below and I don't need more than one pistol caliber carbine.

My 9mm carbine of choice is a Kel Tec Sub-9 (predecessor of the current Sub-2000.) I bought mine used at a bargain price. My Sub-9 is a S&W mag version. Got lots of S&W factory and generic hi-cap magazines, very reasonably priced. It's lots of fun to shoot. Eats all the ammo I've tried. About as accurate as the other carbines. The folding feature is way cool and could come in handy as a "suitcase gun" to take on trips for motel security without the hassle of different states' handgun laws. I carry it back & forth to the range in a canvas briefcase. Might consider it for some situations of concealed carry but my state's laws limit concealed carry to handguns only.

Alan

bernie
January 4, 2003, 09:13 AM
I looked long and hard at pistol caliber carbines because my wife and I are about to move back to the country and I wanted her to have a long arm she could use. After researching it and looking at several, I ended up thinking a shorty AR was the better solution. The upside was, less penetration, readily available mags, and parts you can find anywhere. The downsides were it looks less "PC" in court, but since we live in rural Arkansas that is not a big problem, and it does cost more.
However, I still think the pistol caliber carbine is a viable choice for most people.

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