Most Underused Cartridge In Modern Rifles?


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Cosmoline
December 29, 2002, 02:58 AM
Obviously, no modern rifle manufacturer can chamber rifles in the astonishing array of rifle cartridges produced since the 1870's. But, if you controlled your own rifle plant, what chamberings would you want to see?

Personally, I think the 8x57JS is the most under-chambered cartridge out there. It's virtually impossible to find any modern rifle in that chamber stateside. I know of a few produced in Europe, but not too many. I suspect the manufacturers may be worried about competing with all the C&R rifles out there. From my perspective, though, I'd jump at the chance to use up some of my massive stockpile of 8x57JS in in modern, MOA hunting rifle.

Competition with the .30'06 may also be a concern. Yet the 8x57JS is, IMHO, superior to a .30'06, especially when loaded with 200 or 220 grain bullets. And recoil is no worse.

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Okiecruffler
December 29, 2002, 06:16 AM
I'll second the 8mm and add the 7mm mauser. I also think the .357 max would make an excellent lever gun. I'd also love to see a mid velocity non-mag .40cal of some kind. This list could go on and on.

Nosferatu
December 29, 2002, 06:18 AM
.50 BMG! :D

The 8mm Mauser, from what I have read, is a very versitle caliber.

454c
December 29, 2002, 06:26 AM
I'm not sure about the most underused,but the most unappreciated to me would be the 30-30.It does a great job but getting people to admit that fact is near impossible.It's hard to pick one that's underused because there's so many thats been used over the years.Add to that the wildcat cartridges and the ones from other countries and you run out of fingers and toes pretty quick.
If I had to pick one I guess it would be the .17 centerfire.Everybody is making a fuss over the .17 rimfire but the .17 centerfire has been around for sometime and had some pretty good numbers to back it up.I'm still trying to learn more about this cartridge so if any of ya'll have any info I'd be grateful to hear it.

Steven Mace
December 29, 2002, 07:24 AM
454c, try visiting the Reload Bench (http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/17rem.html) or Accurate Reloading (http://www.accuratereloading.com/17rem.html) for information on the .17 Remington caliber. Hope this helps!

Steve Mace

redneck2
December 29, 2002, 09:29 AM
approaches the power of a .338. Considered big enough for brownies and moose

can be "loaded down" for deer

same recoil as a 30-06. My 7400 has about the same recoil as heavy field load `12 ga. Shoots 1 1/4". Light and handy.

BUT..it's not one of the new whiz-kid big magnums or little magnums (how does that work??)

Swamp Yankee
December 29, 2002, 10:38 AM
I agree the .357 Max. would make a great lever gun caliber, but it seems to be relegated to used revolvers and Thompson Contenders.
Don't know if its under used, but my vote would be for the .257 Roberts. It's a great cartridge for whitetail on down and is a lot of fun to shoot because the recoil doesn't beat you up. I think it would work well in some of the new light weight, compact bolt actions being offered. The .257 Roberts really is not promoted, but I believe this is related to the fact it doesn't have Winchester, Remington or Magnum attached to its name.
Take Care

Catbird
December 29, 2002, 10:42 AM
I'm quite fond of my Marlin lever action in .356 Winchester (discontinued ?). With the standard 220 grain jacketed FN bullets, it makes a great deep woods gun.

trapshooter
December 29, 2002, 11:57 AM
The 8mm Remington Mag. Needs more bullet choices, and maybe a 8mm RUM would be better. :cool:

Are you boys at Remington listening? Gimme a .32 caliber whacker!

rick458
December 29, 2002, 12:02 PM
700 nitro express you just can't have too many rounds that pound you with 244 ft/lbs of free recoil :eek: :eek: :eek:

s&w 24
December 29, 2002, 03:21 PM
250 savage second vote is 257 roberts. Great all around cartriges that just got left on the shelf for uber magnums.

Cosmoline
December 29, 2002, 03:33 PM
I like the idea of the .250 Savage. In fact, there's a whole batch of Carles Newton cartridges that got lost in the shuffle after WWII and the decline of Savage Arms. They were all way ahead of their time.

Schuey2002
December 29, 2002, 04:58 PM
The .358 Winchester..

Try and find factory chamberings for this. They are few and far between.;)

Mike Irwin
December 29, 2002, 05:05 PM
S&W 24 stole my main thunder! The two cartridges I was going to name...

OK, others would include...

6.5x55, .348 Winchester, and .284 Winchester.

Oh yeah. Always the .300 Savage. :)

Gordon
December 29, 2002, 05:33 PM
My two newest purchases: .264 Win mag and .358 Norma mag. With 125 and 250 grain nosler partictions they should cover all the bases thruout the world. And you can load 85 to 310 grains between the two. Standard length actions why didnt they fly?:confused:

Mr. Hankey
December 29, 2002, 08:38 PM
.22-250

Dave Markowitz
December 29, 2002, 08:42 PM
.250 Savage.

cratz2
December 29, 2002, 09:29 PM
Definately the 257 Roberts with the 6.5x55 closely following. There is always so much talk about how great and versatile the 257 Roberts and 257 AI are but Ruger is the only company that chambers rifles for it. To me, a nice Winchester Model 70 Classic Compact in 257 Improved with a Swarovski or Zeiss 1.5-6x42 scope would be about the ideal choice for a single rifle. Esp for a reloader.

The 6.5x55 is also a great all around cartridge that must be getting more popular by the day because every distrubutor in the country is back ordered on Tikkas in that caliber.

http://winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/md70/large/2w-wf70ccoms1_l.jpg

Gordon
December 29, 2002, 09:30 PM
.404 Jeffery was one of most popular rounds for African PH, even gubmint issue. Only the poor case is still used now. My .404 Jeffery sits in its leather trunk and probably never will be used again. Don't want to scratch a "best" grade Mauser do we?:cool:

Talyn
December 29, 2002, 09:39 PM
IMHO the .284 Winchester, 6.5x284, 250 Savage, 257 Roberts and 6.5x55 Swede.

Detachment Charlie
December 29, 2002, 11:00 PM
.348 Win.
I've only had the pleasure of using one once. But that Pennsylvania whitetail reacted like it had been hit by a dump truck full of wet sand. :eek:

Subby
December 29, 2002, 11:27 PM
Mike Irwin and Detachement Charlie have it right. There are lots of oddball ones out there to keep us busy. If I ever hit Powerball for 300 million, I'd probably start a company that built bolts and falling blocks in nothing but oddball(that is, non-Wal-Mart) chamberings.

.22 Hornet
.220 Swift
.22 Savage Hi-Power
.250 Savage
.257 Roberts
6.5x55
.300 H&H
.348 WCF
etc, etc, etc
I'd be broke within two years, but what the hell, once you're poor you never fear it again, eh? I just received an M71 .348 for Xmas, the only other of the above I own is a .300 H&H. I guess I'm just a sucker for the "loners" of the bunch. Given the above Powerball win, I'd probably even build .218s, .25-20s, .32-20s as well, not to mention various other oddballs that hit me as the mood came.

Sub

BHP9
December 30, 2002, 09:12 AM
the long forgotten .222 magnum. It was a much better cartridge than the .223 ever could be but the military adopting the .223 killed it off.

I think if the Gun manufactures had their heads on straight, rather than bringing out all these super magnum monsters that are probably the most unneeded cartridges ever developed in the long history of the rifle that if they had reintroduced the .222 magnum they would have been surprised how many people would have wanted one especially in a heavy barrel varmit configuration.

keano44
December 30, 2002, 02:54 PM
I'll second the .284 Win., and add the .307 Win.

JeFF D
December 30, 2002, 07:41 PM
7.62x54r...I'd like somebody to make a 12ga/7.62x54r combo, or as a double rifle.

Also 7.62x39 in more than just semi, a 7.62x39 lever gun would be a handy little package

El Tejon
December 30, 2002, 07:44 PM
6.5 Swede!

HSMITH
December 30, 2002, 09:28 PM
I will third the vote for the 284 Winchester. Great short action caliber. I have one and would like a couple more.

Marshall
December 31, 2002, 12:23 AM
Most under used, hmmmm?

I would say the .35 Rem is one of them also. I only know of one rifle still produced in .35 Rem, the Marlin 336. A terrific brush cartridge!

Anyone know of other rifles using this caliber being manufactured today?

Marshall :)

cratz2
December 31, 2002, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by JeFF D
Also 7.62x39 in more than just semi, a 7.62x39 lever gun would be a handy little package

Of course, with a tubular mag, you could only use round nosed bullets...

Not in 54R but EAA imports a rifle/shotgun combo in 7.62x39 and 12 gauge. Never handled any of their combo guns but their O/U shotguns are very impressive for the price.

barnpatrol
December 31, 2002, 01:08 AM
.250 Savage and .358 Win. Two of my favorites!

Erich
December 31, 2002, 11:55 AM
I've gotta go with the Swede, too.

Jack19
December 31, 2002, 01:10 PM
Have to go with the 8mm Mauser too. I have a bunch of the Yugo surplus stuff with the 196 grain bullet and it shoots very well.

But, I sure wish an American company would load a heavy bullet, to Euro specs, that was non-corrosive.

seeker_two
December 31, 2002, 01:20 PM
Any of the Savage cartridges & the .307 Winchester.

(In fact, compare the ballistics of the .300 Savage w/ the .308 Winchester. It predated it by several decades...)

Also add the .22 Magnum. It does a lot better from a rifle barrel than most people think...

Redrider
January 1, 2003, 06:30 PM
Another vote for the 284 Winny. I have a model 100 that is stuck closed and needs a good smith to fix it. Suggestions welcomed.

s&w 24
January 2, 2003, 10:08 PM
I thought of another one that is one of the best cartriges ever produced the 256 newton. Big enough case capsity for great velocoty but not soo much you blow powder all over(over bore)
for a varmint to elk gun it would be tops!

Marko Kloos
January 2, 2003, 10:19 PM
The most underused cartridge in modern rifles is the 6.5x55 Swedish, IMHO. It's an excellent round, flat shooting, very accurate, low recoiling, and with killing power totally out of proportion to its ballistics on paper.

Fish Springs
January 4, 2003, 05:51 PM
Most under appreciated, my entire big game battery:

7x57

300 H&H

.458 Winchester Magnum

Oh well they still seem to work....

sasnofear
January 4, 2003, 05:55 PM
.25LR

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