Southern AZ Shoot and Clean Up


July 21, 2004, 03:12 PM
I've tossed an idea around a little with LennyJoe, and he's up for it. That pit that we shot at last time has gotten pretty disgusting and I was thinking that a combined THR Tucson Shoot and Cleanup would be a good thing to do.

It's way too flippin' hot to do it right now, but in order give enough time to get enough people to commit, and to let the weather cool off a bit, I was figuring sometime between Labor Day weekend and early October would be the best time to do this.

I would like to get at least 8, preferably 12+ people to commit to this project. Once we set a date that 8 or more of us can agree on, I will try to contact the local TV and newspaper folks to get some publicity out of the event. Show the anti's and (more importantly) the indifferent majority that we care about keeping the desert clean, and hopefully forestall their efforts to shut down wildcat range shooting.

My vision for this project will be that we would meet at the Vail pit in the early morning and spend how ever long it takes to clean up the area. If we have a dozen people working I can't imagine it taking much more than a few hours. Once we've either filled up all pickups that are present, or the area is as clean as we can get it (which ever comes first), the pickups will head to the Los Reales land fill and dump all the junk we pick up. It's $4/vehicle to get into the land fill. If we have 12 people and 3 pickups, that's only $1 each. After that is done, we would spend however long we all felt like shooting. Then, once we've policed our brass, and cleaned up the remnants of our targets, either there, or if my wife is OK with it, at my house (just a couple miles from the pit) kick back with hamburgers, hot dogs, grilled chicken, and some beer. If we do that at the pit, I'll bring my gas grill out there.

So, what say you all? People from Phoenix, Benson, and Flagstaff are also most welcome to come out too. Or, better yet, organize Shoot and Cleanups in your areas too and get some wider publicity out of the deal.

If you enjoyed reading about "Southern AZ Shoot and Clean Up" here in archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join today for the full version!
July 21, 2004, 09:45 PM
My family will be more than happy to help. I will also help out on the grubb and the drinks.

But one standing order. No beer till the guns are cleaned up and put away. I wont budge on that one.

I agree, the darn desert out here is filthy with litter.

Its unbelievable how much litter there is out there.

Expecially out where I hunt.

But thats from all the Southerners heading north.

July 22, 2004, 03:56 AM
I live up near Phoenix, however, for something like this I will see what I can do to make it.

July 22, 2004, 12:50 PM
But one standing order. No beer till the guns are cleaned up and put away. I wont budge on that one. Me neither.

I'll try to PM a few Tucson guys and point them over here. If we can get it going near term, great, but I'm still thinking that Labor Day or later is going to be needed to get enough people out there.

Spread this around, and lets try to get a whole party going out there.

July 22, 2004, 07:50 PM
Sounds good to me!

July 23, 2004, 07:27 PM
Very good idea - set the date, and I should be able to come help you guys out.

Suggestion: does anyone know if they can get access to several heavy-duty garden rakes and snow shovels, and ideally some 50-gallon drums for the truck-beds and a couple of short stepladders to stand on while dumping the shovel-loads into the drums inside the truck-beds? What would also help greatly would be a sturdy wood frame with a couple of layers of stout wire mesh/chickenwire to use as a sieve for separating the trash from the dirt.

Work hard if you have to; work smart if you can. ;)

July 23, 2004, 08:11 PM
If somebody comes up with the wire mesh, I can make the frames.

July 24, 2004, 10:43 AM
I have one heavy duty all steel garden rake. And a normal shovel and normal rake.

July 28, 2004, 07:01 PM
So can we get a head count for the moment? Please include all spouses, girlfriends, children, friends, dogs, etc that will be coming.

Also ideas on dates? I would like to suggest sometime during the Labor Day weekend as most of us should be off work, and that kind of timing might work in our favor for publicity.

Spead this around to anyone you know that might be willing to help out, especially other THR members.

July 28, 2004, 07:27 PM
3 here. Myself, my son and my buddy Don.

Possibly 2 more. Will contact them this weekend.

August 3, 2004, 12:17 AM
I'm willing. You can add at least 2 here.

August 6, 2004, 02:27 AM
Once you get a date I will be able to say yes or no.

August 6, 2004, 12:38 PM
Once you get a date I will be able to say yes or no. I'm suggesting sometime over the Labor Day Weekend. Maybe Labor Day itself. What do the rest of you think of that?

August 6, 2004, 04:04 PM
Labor day weekend is not a good idea.

I say that cause we are going camping and Im sure others will take advantage of the long holiday weekend to do other things with the family instead of cleaning up the range.

I suggest 18 Sept or even the 19th after we visit the gunshow down at the Fairgrounds.

That way we can stock up on ammo :D

August 6, 2004, 04:18 PM
OK. I just figured that with the holiday weekend we'd all be off work, but I like the idea of meeting up at the gun show and then the next day (so we can take advantage of the coolness of the morning) meet at the pit and get to work. Or, meet up at the pit the morning of the 18th and get to work. Then on the way back from the dump stop in at the gunshow and get the ammo for the shooting session.

Anybody got better ideas?

August 7, 2004, 11:09 AM
Meeting at the pit the morning after the gun show is my vote. I will be working the Friday night before the show, doing anything after might be a bit much. I also have a possible 4 other people that would be interested in coming, 2 which work with me that Friday night too.

Let's see what works for everyone else too.

August 7, 2004, 12:03 PM
So we go to the gunshow Saturday and stock up on ammo and stuff.

Sunday morning when its cool we get to work. After the work is done, we stoke up the grill and waste all the ammo we purchased at the gunshow.

Hows that sound?

Im open to anything.

August 7, 2004, 06:45 PM
Sounds fine for me. I may be able to bring a buddy - not sure though. Now I just have to see if I'll have money around that time.

August 8, 2004, 02:15 AM
wasrjoe, If you don't have the money for more ammo, just bring what you got, and I'm sure we can find a way for you to get enough trigger time between the rest of us.

WRT the food, do we want to fire up the grill and eat while out there shooting, or do we want to head back to my place (spitting distance from the pit) afterwards for the food. Reason I ask is I know at least some of us will want a beer or two and until the guns are put away that isn't going to happen. Also, meeting at my place will be a little easier for me in the sense that I wouldn't have to load up the grill and take it out there.

I'll also talk to my neighbor's brother in law as he works for KOLD and see what kind of publicity we might be able to get out of this. I went to the public meeting back in April or May and there's a certain level of support in the public to shutting down all shooting on public land in this state (or at least Pima County) and getting the word out that we care about the state of the land that we shoot on will go a long way towards preserving our ability to legally shoot out there.

August 8, 2004, 12:56 PM
If your willing to volunteer your Casa then that would be the best bet.

August 9, 2004, 01:11 PM
I'll have to make sure SWMBO doesn't object, which I doubt will be a problem.

Just so y'all are clear, it'll be BYO for food and beer. I can always pull out a few extra burgers, so if you get there and realize you forgot the food don't worry, but I can't feed a dozen guys.

August 16, 2004, 02:57 PM
Did you guys do this last weekend? Wouldn't you have a problem with other people out there to shoot on a weekend morning? I was out there yesterday and it didn't seem too bad, just a couple of shotup objects here and there -- nice green grass growing in the bottom. It's a nice spot though and worth cleaning... who found it again? :D :D :p ;)

August 16, 2004, 04:01 PM
Maybe someone else did some cleaning but it wasnt me.

Think we had it nailed down for the 19th of Sept.

That way we can go to the gunshow on the 18th and buy boo-koo ammo:D

August 16, 2004, 04:29 PM
We're currently set for the 19th. I spoke with my neighbor's BIL last night and he's going to talk to the people he works with at KOLD about covering the event. I'll post here when I know more about that. Don't expect to hear much before next week on that score unless they get back to me in the day or so. Looks like I'll be heading to Deleware for a funeral this weekend (an uncle). To get an affordable airfare it looks like it'll be a Thursay-Tuesday affair.

August 16, 2004, 11:42 PM
Sorry to hear about your loss.

Have a safe trip.

August 17, 2004, 11:03 AM
Have a safe trip sumpnz, my condolences.

who found it again?

I found this map... and then used it to estimate this site to shoot at... :) :D

Are you going to be able to make it also cidirkona?

August 17, 2004, 01:35 PM
Thanks guys. He was about 75 and had been in declining health for several years. Great guy though.

August 17, 2004, 04:31 PM
Yeah, I'll be there. It'll be right after a larger paycheck too...

Sorry to hear about your uncle, Sumpnz.

When's the next gunshow? Anyone selling an FAL, AK, SKS, Mini 14/30 or anything of that sort? Ya know, one of those "evil" "assualt rifles."


August 17, 2004, 04:44 PM
When's the next gunshow? Sept. 18-19, just a few day after the AWB is set to sunset.

August 17, 2004, 06:16 PM
What excellent timing... :D Right after a payday and all too!!


August 17, 2004, 10:42 PM
We should set a meeting time for Sat at the gunshow so we can BS and shop.

August 19, 2004, 03:49 AM
Well, I am going to be at the show right at opening time since I will have gotten off of work and will be staying awake due to pure will. Last time, will didn't help me too much when I walked by the Dillon Square Deal B complete for $150. :banghead: I was in too much of a tired daze I think.

August 19, 2004, 01:19 PM
I know you work late on Fridays.

How about noon time then?

August 19, 2004, 02:00 PM
Noon sounds good to me. I should even have my Molon Labe hat by the time of the gun show, so that'll be a good place to break it in.

August 20, 2004, 04:49 PM


August 21, 2004, 01:40 AM
Well if you guys don't mind a youngin or three(with parental supervision of course) going I could russle up me, and two buddy's at least. I could also see if my cousin(not a youngin) would want to come with too, he's always up for some shooting.

August 21, 2004, 10:17 AM
Just gotta be responsible, otherwise, I have no problem with youngins.

August 21, 2004, 01:13 PM
More than happy to see young shooters out there.

We set up a shooting line that cannot be violated when the range is "Hot".

I will bring a couple of tables to set up the arms on so the dust doesnt collect like it did for WhoKnowsWho. :what:

August 22, 2004, 03:44 AM
I will bring a couple of tables to set up the arms on so the dust doesnt collect like it did for WhoKnowsWho.

Hehe, thanks for remembering me! I will be bringing my folding table again also. But I am not bringing every single piece that I have, that was a nightmare trying to get it all to fit and such.

August 22, 2004, 12:27 PM
As a heads up, I just went down there this morning, decided it was finally time to shoot the M95 and Arisaka Type 99 I just rolled ammo for, so an early 5:30 AM drive out there...

And it doesn't look as bad as last time. The main pit part has mostly long green grass. There are a few bulky things here and there, and in that small grand canyon to the side, but it isn't too bad. Mostly small stuff that will need to be raked up. The largest junkiness is already piled pretty much and ready to be carried off.

August 23, 2004, 12:34 PM
Damn, you must have been out of there about 8:30... My friends and I got there around 8:35...


PS - not a single jam in any of my weapons! The SKS is a dream!

August 27, 2004, 03:31 AM
Hey, if any of you guys wanted a Rem 870 police trade in, Diamondback just got in a pile of them. I think they were $225 for the non-express one.

August 27, 2004, 10:08 AM
I seen them there last week.

Thought about it, but didnt think I wanted to take away from the
Rami fund;)

August 27, 2004, 09:11 PM
K I'm pretty sure I have one of my buddies coming now, perhaps more than one. :)

August 28, 2004, 03:23 AM
Has anyone heard from Kor?

August 30, 2004, 11:15 AM
Not lately.

Hey Kor, where are you?

August 30, 2004, 11:29 PM
[radio voice]

Calling all Kors, calling all Kors!

[/radio voice]



August 30, 2004, 11:41 PM
When I did a search on his posts, the last one was dated August 5. Sure hope he's OK.

BTW, talked to the neighbor's BIL last night. He said KOLD would probably call maybe a week or so ahead of time, and that so long as there wasn't a "better" story they'd be there. So, no real news on that front.

Anyone have a contact at KGUN. I figured with their handle they might a more appropriate station :p . Plus, I know most of us are fairly young, and will probably be getting awfully hot workin' out there.

September 1, 2004, 08:23 PM
Looks like I wont be back from Baltimore until Saturday afternoon. I land around 1:30 PM.

Anyone know what time they close the doors at the gunshow on Saturday?

Guess Im gonna have to hustle from the airport to the gunshow.

September 1, 2004, 09:05 PM
It'll be pretty tough for me to convince the fiance to spend our Saturday outdoors shooting, none the less going to a gunshow... heh...

There's so many things I want though... sks stock, scope, bipod, magazines, ammo... and probably a Firestorm double stack 1911, Firestorm Mini 45 (like my old .380), or possibly a KelTec p3-AT if I can find one cheap... If I don't get to go shooting, I'll at least get to go to the show, at least it's indoors and air conditioned... it's at the TCC right? That'd be like a mile from my apartment...


September 2, 2004, 04:13 AM
I think the show closes at 5 PM, so you should have time to make it Lennyjoe.

cidirkona, just make sure to treat her nice afterwards if she really doesn't want to go, she doesn't have to. Tell her you will take her to the Melting Pot or somewhere after we shoot on Sunday!

That place was pretty good, kinda pricey though, about 4 magazines worth of money went away!

September 2, 2004, 12:57 PM
So just to make sure we are all on the same page, we are on for Sunday's clean-up and shoot right?

September 2, 2004, 02:56 PM
Sunday the 19th is still a go for me!

September 2, 2004, 03:59 PM
As much as I can be, I'm there. I didn't realize it was a Sunday thing, that'll make it easier to be there. I kept thinking it was a Saturday deal for some reason. Unfortunately, my church is up at Oracle and Magee... I'll be using A LOT of gas that day... ha


September 3, 2004, 03:46 AM
What time are we shooting for to start? The less sun, the easier it is to bend over and pick trash up! I'll probably get out there pretty early anyways just to get started.

September 3, 2004, 12:13 PM
I was figuring 6-7AM would be a good time to get started. That way we should be done before noon and can make use of the relative coolness of the early morning.

After we're done cleaning and shooting, you are welcome to come back to my place. I'll fire up the grill, and we can have a well deserved meal and some beer (or whatever). Please note, this will be a potluck style feeding and watering. I can pull out a few extra burgers, but I can't afford to feed the lot of you. Potent potables are also BYO.

September 11, 2004, 12:23 PM

Reminder, Sunday 19 Sep at 0700 for clean up. 0900 for shooting if you dont want to help clean the place up.

September 11, 2004, 07:38 PM
Sep at 0700 for clean up. 0900 for shooting

Two hours eh? Might take longer if there are only a few of us... :D

September 13, 2004, 12:38 AM
I'll be there! Most likely I'll be tireder than hell, but I'll be there.

September 13, 2004, 02:18 PM
So wait... is the gunshow thing Saturday at noon and shooting/cleaning early Sunday morning? ...the folding stock I ordered for my SKS better be here soon, although it's understandable if they're busy. I ordered it Friday morning and they haven't even processed the order yet!


Old Partner
September 13, 2004, 04:32 PM
Please give me directions from Sahuarita Road (Rancho Sahuarita)

September 13, 2004, 04:53 PM
Colin, Ayuup.

Old Partner - Head east on Sahuarita Road and then turn left (north) onto Wentworth. Between Andrada and I-10 there will be a turn off to the west. Coming from that direction it is a little hard to spot, but if you get to the big wood ulitity poles, you've gone too far. Could someone get a sign out there (before we get started this time) to mark the turn off? There's no chance of me having that kind of time. I'm going to be working a lot this week, and then Friday and Saturday I'll be scouting for deer (would be scouting Sunday too, but since I was the one with this bright idea I figured I better show up). Colin, could you at least post your map from the original Tucson THR shoot here, with the necessary correction?

September 13, 2004, 05:45 PM
The map I have is about 60 feet off... but is close enough. There is a yellow diamond sign with a picture of a cow on it on the west (southbound) side of the road about 30 feet south of the turnoff.

The sign I drew on the map was on the wrong side of the turnoff. You might wanna have your earplugs in by the time you get out of your car too. :)


September 13, 2004, 08:26 PM
I can't make it anymore. Family stuff. I am sad. :(

September 13, 2004, 10:22 PM
Family stuff. I am sad.

Hope you can make the next one! Family stuff, can't be solved by bringing them all out to enjoy a day outdoors? :)

This is the weekend forecast for Sunday "Mostly sunny and windy. Highs in the low 90s and lows in the low 60s." Hopefully it is not too windy. :uhoh:

I'll try and get out there with a box sign of some sort of someone doesn't beat me to it.

So wait... is the gunshow thing Saturday at noon and shooting/cleaning early Sunday morning?


September 14, 2004, 11:46 AM
UltimateArms on ebay, otherwise known as First Distributing, took their time with my folding stock for my sks. I bid on and paid for it early Friday morning. It wasn't shipped until late Monday afternoon -- which will make it get here the day after our desert shoot.

Somebody's not getting positive feedback... :uhoh: :scrutiny: :banghead: :cuss: :fire:


September 14, 2004, 11:48 AM
Family stuff, can't be solved by bringing them all out to enjoy a day outdoors?

Actually, that is almost a solution. Unfortunately the location you guys are going to is just too far away to have it work out. Oh well, hope you guys have fun!

September 14, 2004, 12:05 PM
I bid on and paid for it early Friday morning. It wasn't shipped until late Monday afternoon -- which will make it get here the day after our desert shoot.

Somebody's not getting positive feedback... Uhh, Colin, hate to say this but that's only about 1 business day between payment and shipping. That's pretty standard (maybe even on the quick side) and about what you should expect unless they specifically tell you otherwise. If they said it would ship the same day as payment was recieved, then you have grounds for negative feedback, but even still, a 1 business day delay is nothing. At worst I'd give them neutral feedback.

wasrjoe - Sorry you can't make it. Hopefully next time.

September 14, 2004, 12:12 PM
Two days and a weekend. I paid for it before the business day started, so it was about 8am in Brooklyn, NY on Friday morning. Saturday and Sunday passed and it wasn't shipped until 7:44pm Monday. I think that's too much time personally... Not only that, but I didn't get an email reply or anything from them, and I sent one right away early Friday morning.

-- AND alot of their feedback says "Fast shipping" or "shipped immediately, thanks!"

Then again, it was also Sunset weekend... I need to get a flash suppressor and a grenade launcher now too just to laugh in the face of the AWB... haha j/k That bayo lug is staying right where it's at!


September 14, 2004, 03:28 PM
They probably didn't ship it until Monday because they wanted to make sure the ban had officially sunsetted. Probably a CYA thing, and if somehow the Wicked Witch of the West had pulled out a renewal in time by some cosmic miracle you'd have in been deep do-do if they had shipped right away. Regardless, your payment might have been send before they opened on Friday, but as far as they're concerned, they got that payment on Friday, not before. And, as I said before it really was just 1 business day (weekends don't count) until it shipped. Monday evening is still Monday (they probably only get packages picked up by FedEx, UPS, etc in the afternoon so sending it Monday morning was likely not possible). Chances are they probably handed off the package a lot earlier than 7:44PM, and that was just the time it got entered into the tracking system. Besides as busy as they likely were I'd have been surprised if they had gotten in out that Friday even without the legal aspects of sunsetting. As I said before, unless they made some promise of same day (Friday) shipment, it would really be inappropriate to give negative feedback. Neutral I could see, though I think that even that might be a touch harsh. If I were you I would leave no feedback at all.

Anyhow, your SKS will still be plenty of fun to shoot with the non-folding stock. Be grateful you're getting the stock. I can't really afford an AW at all right now, let alone accessories that are now legal again.

See y'all bright and early on Sunday! As it turns out, I'll be out in the wilds of 30B trying to figure out where the hell the mule deer are while the rest of you get to enjoy the gun show. I was going to go out there the following weekend, but my hunting partner has to go to RI on a business trip.

September 14, 2004, 04:07 PM
I wouldn't give them negative feedback unless they sold me something other than what they advertised and wouldn't take it back. I'm not impressed with their service as of yet, so positive seems a bit out of touch at the moment, but we'll see. As stands, neutral. The shipping order wasn't received until 5:51pm EST on Monday. At least it got mailed out Monday instead of sitting at their shop for another day.

It wasn't sold as a folding stock, it was sold as an 'ultralight' stock that comes with the free conversion peice to make it fold, so it was (and still is) completely legit... (as long as I would have taken the bayo lug off if I used detatchable mags). Thank God that AWB is dead -- sure was annoying to work around. hahah


September 14, 2004, 06:07 PM
I dont land at TIA till 1:30 so I wont make the noon meeting. I plan on collecting baggage, payin for parking and beating feet to the show. Hopefully I wont get delayed.

See ya all Sunday morning bright and early.

September 14, 2004, 06:37 PM
If any you that can go to the show are able to find some inexpensive .40S&W and .38 Spl ($16-18/100), and some cheap 6.5x55 and 8x57 (under $8/20) I will pay you back for them Sunday morning. Otherwise, if any of you are reloaders I'd be happy to do some kind of trade or payment for ammo (if it is legal to do so). I have a bunch (close to 100, maybe more) of once fired 6.5x55 brass (Remington, and mixed Ingman, S&B, and PMC). Don't have much in the way of brass for the others though :( . I do have maybe 80-100 pieces of once fired .38.

Man, I need to start reloading myself!

Edit to add - I have no interest in corrosive 8x57. I have more than I need already of that stuff, and since I don't always get a chance to clean my guns really throughly afterwards, I don't want to take the risk.

September 14, 2004, 07:00 PM has .40sw golddots on sale right now


September 14, 2004, 08:12 PM
Considering the minimum quantity required, it's a bit more than I want to spend. I was looking more for about 100-250 rounds of .40, not 500+. Plus, with shipping involved, I doubt it would get here in time. Appreciate the suggestion though.

If anybody does pick some ammo up for me, my Ruger .40 definatly prefers the 155-165 grain bullets. For the .38, standard pressure only, no +P and preferably 125 grain or lighter, though 158gr is OK. For the rifles, so long as it's non-corrosive and cheap it will work just fine. I think last time WkW bought some Olympic 8mm that had some quality problems (multiple strikes required to fire every round), so if anybody sees that ammo, don't get any more than 1 box, just in case it's from the same lot. Other ammo, including Turk surplus, and handloads have fired without problems, so it definatly was that ammo.

September 15, 2004, 01:22 AM
I e-mailed Kor, maybe he will show back up on the forum, dunno what happened to him.

If any you that can go to the show are able to find some inexpensive .40S&W and .38 Spl ($16-18/100)

Do you want factory? I have had good luck with the Miwall ammo reloads (some of them with new brass) in 38 spec, copper wad cutter, it's like $7/50 and for lead round nose, $5/50. If not, their Winchester 130 FMJ is like $7/50 also.

I went through 500 rounds of their 40S&W reloads too, no problems at all, that was running about $6/50 also, though it was 180 grain stuff, they sometimes have some 155 grain stuff. Federal 165 gr around $8, S&B 180 gr around $7.50, Winchester 165 gr around $8.

and some cheap 6.5x55 and 8x57 (under $8/20)

I have like 200 rounds of 8x57 corrosive stuff too and a Czech Mauser which hasn't been fired yet. I am taking the windex and stuff so I can clean right after we are done. You are welcome to use my supplies if you want to shoot your corrosive ammo also.

6.5x55 Swede might be tough, usually I think it is around $9/20 at Miwall.

Otherwise, if any of you are reloaders I'd be happy to do some kind of trade

It's fine for trading and donations and such... but I don't have 6.5x55 dies (or rifle), nor have I picked up dies for 38 Special yet, I don't shoot it too often.

I think last time WkW bought some Olympic 8mm that had some quality problems (multiple strikes required to fire every round),

Miwall took that ammo back and refunded all the money for it too. They said there had never been any other problems, but I don't think it would be worth it to try again. Though they do have new brass loads of their own now for $10/20, I think it would be easier to factor in the time for cleaning than paying that much.

cidirkona, how much ammo do you have on hand for the SKS? I was going to bring my SKS, but if you have yours, we could just fire some of my Wolf ammo if you really want to give it a workout.

sumpnz, since you said you are going to be really tired, are you sure you still want us to crash at your place? We are probably all going to be tired after baking out in the sun anyways, maybe we shouldn't try to do cleaning, shooting, cleaning, and bbq all in one day?

Old Partner, hope to see you there! I'll try and get a box/sign out there so you don't miss it, like all of us did the first time.

Lennyjoe, so you don't feel left out... hehe, is the (pick up slaves) I mean family still coming out too? :D

Okay, I think this thing is long enoug... :uhoh:

September 15, 2004, 01:04 PM
I have about 600 rounds of 7.62X39 for the SKS that I could bring.

I was planning on bringing the 400 round can that I have anyway.

I should have 3 maybe 4 other folks with me to help out. Just gotta make phone calls for reminders.

Weather sucks here. Raining and 70 degrees. Think Im gonna freeze to death.

One good thing about being here is that my Cleveland Browns kicked the Baltimore Ravens butts on Sunday:D

September 15, 2004, 04:29 PM
I have 180 rounds of Wolf (already on stripper clips too - I got bored the other night). That will last me all day.

I have 1 (one) round of 40sw besides what I carry. I don't know how it got to the bottom of my ammo box, but I'm sure she'll get fired.

I've got nothing for the 12ga besides what stays in the tube at home.

Unless I can convince my second 'boss' to give me a paycheck sometime this week, all I'll have is the 180 rounds for the SKS.


September 15, 2004, 06:00 PM
WkW - That Miwall ammo sounds like a pretty good deal for plinking ammo. See if they have any 155gr .40, if not some 180gr will do, but don't get much of the heavy stuff (I can go for 200 rounds of 155, but just 50 of the 180 will do). Around 200 rounds of the .38 lead round nose would be good. I have some ammo for the Swede though most of it is hunting quality, so I'm going to be stingy with that stuff, though I don't mind firing off some of it.

I'm still up for the BBQ at my place. I'll be tired, but it'll be a good tired. If people want to clean their guns at my house, feel free so long it is done outside. Between the birds and the baby I don't want those fumes indoors. I'll probably clean mine on Monday morning.

I've actually got dies for 6.5x55, so if I can trade favors and get my brass reloaded I'd appreciate it. BuckeyePPC gave me a bunch of stuff a while back, and the dies were included in the package. I've got plenty of brass, and an inert round and loading data that can be used to duplicate ammo I had made for me (although I would kind of like to try some development for a heavier bullet like the Hornady 129 grain rather than the Speer 120gr I currently have - maybe that can wait until I have my own equipment though). We can talk about that on Sunday.

September 15, 2004, 10:51 PM
Is there a set meeting place at the gunshow? Noonish?


September 16, 2004, 03:36 AM
I've got nothing for the 12ga besides what stays in the tube at home.

I have about 80 rounds of Winchester budget stuff from Wal-Mart that does not eject correctly from my shotgun I picked up. Want it for a few bucks? I think it was like $14 or something...

I should have 3 maybe 4 other folks with me to help out.

It'll probably be just me and my wife for Sunday. Maybe one other, but he is a question mark for now.

WkW - That Miwall ammo sounds like a pretty good deal for plinking ammo.

Will do.

Is there a set meeting place at the gunshow? Noonish?

I am going to be there right at the opening time. Gotta double check the website for the time. Looks like Lennyjoe is going to try and get there late.

I'm still up for the BBQ at my place.

Who has a Costco card? I think my wife will have time to go pick up some burgers/buns if that's what you want to BBQ.

September 16, 2004, 11:24 AM
WkW - The BBQ is pot-luck style. Whatever you want to eat, bring it. I will probably pull out a couple extra burgers and/or brats so if anybody forgets to bring food I can cover them, but not the whole crowd. Drinks are also BYO. I'll have some soda, and other non-alcoholic stuff people can have, but again, there won't be enough for everybody.

September 16, 2004, 01:29 PM
Ok, it looks like I might not be able to go out until Sunday afternoon... crapola. Definately going to the gunshow around noon.

WkW, sure, I'll buy it off ya. Is it low brass/ high brass?


September 16, 2004, 08:21 PM
I got an early flight out here on Friday so I will be back there around lunch time tomorrow. Gonna hit the evening show if they have it cause I got honeydoos for Saturday.

September 17, 2004, 10:41 AM
Hey guys, on the news last night they were talking about Typhoon Javier possibly dumping some rain on us over the weekend. I'd like those of you not out in the boonies looking for deer to keep an eye on that situation. If it looks like the weather will be really crappy, I'll leave it up to you all as to whether we postpone to another weekend, or slog ahead regardless. Just post here with the decision by Saturday night.

September 18, 2004, 10:07 AM
Lets keep an eye on the weather and go from there.

I am going to the gunshow first thing this morning. Will be there at doors opening.

If the weather goes to hell say by 1600 then maybe we will call it here and set up another day.

The original poster should make the call on the weather, no?;)

September 18, 2004, 10:55 AM
The original poster should make the call on the weather, no?

I agree, but I must say, I won't mind cleaning up since the rain would make it nice and cool (but maybe kinda dreary too), but I probably won't shoot in the mud and such. Cleaning wet guns and picking up muddy brass... um... thanks but no thanks. :D It's not the end of the world if we postpone, just more time to make some more ammo, I haven't even started cranking out the 9mm.

I'll still pick up the ammo for sumpnz from the show if not for tomorrow, then next time we set.

cidirkona, it's not high or low brass which makes it give my shottie the problem, it's aluminum type base of some sort. Seems to work for most, but I did see one post of (gasp) a Rem 870 not working with it.

I am going to the gunshow first thing this morning. Will be there at doors opening.

What happened to the honeydoos? ;) I might see you there, that place is big and wild though, so I'll be lucky to see anything!

September 18, 2004, 03:54 PM
Just got back from the show, saw Lennyjoe while I was in the line, then never saw him again in the mass of people inside. Though it was fun watching the escalator bring people into a line that wasn't moving!

Got your ammo sumpnz, 4 50 round boxes of 38 special, lead round nose, $4.95 each, and one box of 180 grain 40 S&W for $5.95 They had some 165 grain but it was $9.95 I believe. See my other gun show comments in General...

Weather, says 80% chance of rain for tomorrow... considering they didn't have any ammo for my SAR-2, maybe a delay isn't too bad... dunno.

September 18, 2004, 05:45 PM
Yeah, I was there from 12:15 to about 1:30 and saw absolutely nobody. I got a 30 rd magazine for my SKS, some 7.62x39, some 12ga, and a tactical holster for my g27. I didn't see anyone...

The rain's coming down really well right now... tomorrow's going to be muddy even if it doesn't rain.


September 18, 2004, 06:09 PM
Yeah, I was there from 12:15 to about 1:30 and saw absolutely nobody.

I left about 11:50 AM, after arriving before 9 AM, and I am still awake now after I worked last night! Poking around with The Sims 2! And my Nambu!

September 18, 2004, 06:29 PM
I lost you as well WKW.

Was pretty busy first thing this morning there.

I picked up 100 rounds of .45, 10MM, 200 rounds of 5.56, 200 rounds of once fired brass for 10MM and 100 rounds of brass for the 06.

Also got some shotgun wads.

So, I think in light of the weather we should postpone for a week or two.

Whats your take on it? If we do agree on postponing then maybe we should start another thread with the change in date for others to see.

September 18, 2004, 07:04 PM
I think this thread gathers more attention the longer it is, no need to start another thread. But the weather is looking pretty grim, so push it back two weeks to October 3rd? Unless there is some scheduling problem. Maybe wasrjoe can make it then?

September 18, 2004, 10:02 PM
Oct 3rd works for me. I contacted my buddies that I work with that were gonna join and filled them in on the delay.

September 19, 2004, 01:28 AM
I just got back from deer scouting. Saw a bunch of whitetail, but no mulies :( . Anyhoo, just read of the desire to postpone for a couple weeks. Works for me, especially since I forgot to go to the back to get the cash for WkW for the ammo :o . My wife will be happy too since the baby apparently was pretty fussy while I was out in the boonies and not sleeping as well as before, so the house isn't as clean as she'd like for a bunch people coming over.

September 19, 2004, 09:49 AM
I gotta get my butt out and start scouting for deer in my area pretty darn soon as well.

I did see about 9 deer when we went out Dove hunting a week or so ago. Bad thing was, it was in the adjacent hunting unit next to the one I have a permit for.

Weather looks ok for now but I think its gonna work out for all parties involved if we wait til Oct. Besides, Im sure were gonna get some more rain today.

September 19, 2004, 05:53 PM
Well fine then, I'll just go shooting by myself! Actually, muy fiance was in a car accident and can't move very well, so I had to help her get out of bed and stuff this morning and get her some breakfast before her parents got back home. I'm going out shooting in a little bit here to try out my new toys...

The weather doens't look too bad right now and doens't look like it's changing much either... I hope it doesn't start to rain.

- Colin

September 19, 2004, 11:43 PM
So that was you out there shooting the SKS then huh?

I was with my daughter putting some rounds down range with the AR-15 and 10MM.

Figured Id ride out and see if it was a muddy mess. Well, it wasnt. But the other side of the road was a blast. The daughter got her first taste of 4 wheeling. She was the one doing the driving.

I think I have a couple more dents on the top of the cab from our heads.;)

September 20, 2004, 03:37 AM
I coulda sworn that was you.

I let those other guys with the 22s try out some of my tools and I think I made a few new fans of the SKS. The tall guy let me try out his 357 SigSauer... and I think he made a fan out of me... I don't think I could afford the ammo though!

It was a nice day for shooting, I got some good pics I out there too. Cracked the handmade stock on the mauser though... :(


September 20, 2004, 03:40 AM
Here's Josh and my sks with the new magazine. It jammed a couple times it's first few fills, but was fine after that.


September 20, 2004, 03:43 AM
Ok, well at least decent pics off my phone camera. My folding stock should be in tomorrow, but I have a feeling it won't. Check out the shipping detail and tell me what you think...

shipping detail (


September 20, 2004, 03:46 AM

September 20, 2004, 09:04 AM
Cool, guess we coulda gone out, dang weather! Threaten and then not do anything, oh well. Two weeks!

September 20, 2004, 12:06 PM
I should have all my SKS parts together by then too.

Does anyone know how to fix a crack in a stock right behind the receiver? it's like a small peice of wood directly behind it has almost popped out (it won't come completely out). Just some wood glue and plenty of time?


September 20, 2004, 03:50 PM
The Curio and Relics Forum ( mentions using Gorilla Glue.

An article at Surplus Rifle ( talks about fixing severe cracks, which it doesn't sound like you have.

So sounds like try the Gorilla Glue, and some sort of sleeve/shrink wrap to keep it in place while it dries, and it should be okay.

September 20, 2004, 04:08 PM
Hmm.. didnt' think of that. Good idea though. I'll look into it. It'd be a shame to have to toss out the stock my grandpa killed many a deer with for decades...

Then again, those Choate fiber stocks look pretty nice... but I think Grandpa would reach down from heaven and slap me on the back of the head for that...


September 20, 2004, 07:21 PM
Ok, they sent me a fixed stock and a folding-to-fixed stock conversion... ***


September 21, 2004, 12:58 AM
Ok, they sent me a fixed stock and a folding-to-fixed stock conversion... ***

That's just a little messed up... :(

September 21, 2004, 11:57 AM
Ok, they sent me a fixed stock and a folding-to-fixed stock conversion... *** OK, now negative feedback is warranted.

September 21, 2004, 12:26 PM
I dunno... I'll give them two days to fix it and send me the right peice, otherwise I'll give negative feedback. I'd rather have the parts I paid for than give negative feedback...


September 21, 2004, 02:10 PM
I'll give them two days to fix it and send me the right peice

Did they at least respond and say sorry? That sucks, sorry about your ebay fun... :(

Luckily, all my ebay fun has been good.

September 21, 2004, 02:17 PM

I emailed them around 4pm when I got home yesterday right when I noticed it yet, which is 7pm in Brooklyn, I beleive. When I first emailed them about having won the auction it was a Friday morning and they didn't hit me back until Monday afternoon... so I'm guessing it will take them a while. If I don't hear back by the end of the day, I'm calling them up.

They better not do something like "We'll send it out as soon as you send us the wrong one back," because that would be annoying as hell. I'm a college student, I'd shoot an AR or FAL otherwise... or DPMS Panther...



I called them just now and they seemed very apologetic. He said he'd send out a new one as soon as possible and I should send back the incorrect one when I can... which will be Friday, my payday, at soonest...


September 21, 2004, 11:02 PM
I should send back the incorrect one when I can

What exactly are they going to do with that piece? :confused:

You should have told them to include a check for the shipping cost for that piece...

September 21, 2004, 11:20 PM
Hahah... damnit, I didn't even think of that. The three bucks it's going to cost is well enough to get this whole situation over with... I'm not sending it back until I get mine, and maybe still I'll call them up and have them pay me for shipping or send it COD...

Or maybe...

Does anyone here need one?? :D It's kind of useless now, the one I'll be taking out of mine will go into the closet as a "if they ever try again" legal peice...


September 28, 2004, 03:05 PM
We still on for this sunday (weather permitting)?

September 28, 2004, 04:42 PM

I think we have a couple other folks coming down from Phoenix too.

September 28, 2004, 04:46 PM
I have church this sunday morning, so time depending for me... still gotta get that mauser stock fixed, got the folding peice finally for the sks though!


September 29, 2004, 01:50 PM
After we're done on Sunday, I don't know if I'll be able to have y'all over to my place. I can explain more on Sunday, but it looks like I'll probably a bunch of work to do around the house this weekend and pretty much every weekend, plus some evenings after work, for the next month or two. Whether and for long I can host you guys will depend on what and how much need to be done. It would be nice to be able to kick back with a beer and BS for an hour or three with y'all after we're done, so I'll see what I can do, but no promises.

September 30, 2004, 03:44 AM
It would be nice to be able to kick back with a beer and BS for an hour or three with y'all after we're done,

Oh, don't worry about it man. We'll just spend as much time as possible out there before we leave. :D

Though my wife isn't going to be able to make it now either. :(

September 30, 2004, 11:53 AM
Im gonna bring a folding table and some chairs. Also gonna load a cooler full of water and soda's.

Gonna make a couple of home made target stands today as well.

Got a rake, shovel, and a trash can for the crap laying around out there.

Anyone got one of them old real estate signs that we can put out by the turn off?

I plan on being out there around 0700 to clean the place up.

October 1, 2004, 04:00 AM
I have a box I could put out there, dunno how much a brown box will stand out though.

Got a rake, metal rake, and shovel.

Got my steel target, not sure how well it will take rifle rounds, but I have old pans for that, should be able to stick them in the ground pretty good.

Gonna get the cooler with some water too.

I'll see you at 0700 then.

Don't forget your money for the ammo sumpnz, 'cause if you do, I'll just have to shoot it myself! :p

And cidirkona, don't forget your shotgun so you can test the Winchester loads and see if they are worth buying for $5 or something.

October 2, 2004, 12:26 AM
Bleh, well, I just can't make it. A couple minor things coupled with the fact that it's in Tucson and early in the morning. Would have been a different story if my buddy was still coming, but he's in the white mountains ATM. Anyway, you guys should all move closer to Phoenix. :p

October 2, 2004, 03:56 AM
early in the morning.

Heck, we probably aren't going to be done cleaning until later anyways... c'mon, you know you want to!

October 2, 2004, 04:00 AM
...doesn't look like I'll be able to make it out until at least 3pm... damnit...

At least I'll get to try out the new stock on the SKS... which actually folds now? Hmm.. that's funny, I still have the non-folding peice sitting here... oops... :P


October 2, 2004, 06:59 PM
Everyone is dropping like flies.

Im still heading out at 0700 to clean the place up. Me and my buddy will be there.

The neighbor might come out a little later.

I told him we should be shooting by 9.

October 2, 2004, 07:36 PM
I told him we should be shooting by 9.

If it is just the three of us out there (you, your buddy, me) I doubt we will be done by 9AM, maybe this will have to be a multi part clean up? We can start, do a little each time we go out.

October 3, 2004, 12:02 AM
I'll still be there at 0700. BTW, went to the dump today to get rid of a bunch of debris, and found out they've raised the price to $10/vehicle. I say we use no more than 2 trucks in light of the higher cost. Considering we're looking like a group of 4 right now, one truckfull might be all we'll get in a reasonable amount of time anyway.

My wife will be coming out to shoot around 1000. Our neighbor is going to babysit, and she needs to practice with her .38 snubbie.

October 3, 2004, 06:54 AM
One vehicle sounds fine, we will stuff as much as we can in two hours. The dumb mattress has to go!

My wife will be coming out to shoot around 1000. Our neighbor is going to babysit, and she needs to practice with her .38 snubbie.

Cool, so that's why you had me get that .38 spec ammo eh? :D

October 7, 2004, 08:39 PM

I didn't know they still updated the terraserver. Anyways, I'm surprised you can't see the brass and shotty shells from 62 miles above earth...


October 8, 2004, 12:25 AM
I bet that place hasnt had water in it for years.

BTW, here's a couple of pics of Sundays clean-up
Work began at 0700 and ended around 1000
sumnz, WhoknowsWho and Don raking up the refuse. Lots and lots of brass and shotgun hulls.
sumnz shooting the .22 and WhoknowsWho doing something.
Me with an old set of Zeiss shooting glasses and dirty thumbs from loading magazines:D

November 2, 2004, 06:09 AM
sumnz shooting the .22 and WhoknowsWho doing something.

And that something was important!

I just went out there last week again, it almost looks like it was before we cleaned up, not as much trash targets but a few already. That area must get a ton of traffic.

Is anybody going to be up for getting together this month? The guy (Redleg) I bought a Kimber Eclipse from would like to join us.

Maybe we can do it on a weekday (if it is easier for people) before sumpnz moves up to Phoenix.

November 2, 2004, 12:05 PM
WkW - Was the dead cow still there? I sighted in my new CZ 550 on Saturday and there was a cow that looked like it had been there dead for a couple days. Thankfully I was upwind of it while shooting.

November 2, 2004, 03:49 PM
No, I didn't see a dead cow... though I wasn't looking too hard, I just saw piles of "stuff" :uhoh: eww...

November 2, 2004, 04:06 PM
It's pretty hard to miss the cow, or at least it was when I was there. If you weren't paying enough attention you would have hit it with your car as you came to the parking area.

November 3, 2004, 07:24 AM
Oh, then no, it wasn't there any longer.

I sure hope someone didn't shoot it. If someone did, that area may be closed off to all of us very soon...

November 3, 2004, 10:43 AM
I didn't look closely enough to tell if it had been shot. I can't imagine too many other reasons for it to have died there, though I suppose it could have eaten something in that area that caused it to keel over.

November 6, 2004, 09:31 PM
I seen it there today. Stinks to all high hell.

Wondering if the rancher took his sick butt over there and did him in to keep the shooters down.

November 7, 2004, 03:28 AM
I seen it there today. Stinks to all high hell.

Wondering if the rancher took his sick butt over there and did him in to keep the shooters down.

I can't believe it would be the rancher, I saw a guy once who identified himself as the one that owns or runs that area, and he said he didn't mind since he used the area too. :confused:

Well, if it is still there, that sucks. Anyone have a Bobcat to move it?

November 7, 2004, 10:00 AM
I know this, that dude is huge and stinks.

I could put a strap around its head and drag it off if anyone wants to volunteer to put the strap on. :what:

Anyone go to the gunshow? Im heading out there this morning at 0900.

November 8, 2004, 12:05 AM
I went to the show, picked up a case of 7.62x39 and 5 more magazines for the SKS... Almost picked up a P3AT I saw just sitting there, lonely, wanting a home... They had a couple 45 FireStorms, but none the in the style I was looking for. I want one of the curvey-Barretta ripoff ones...


November 8, 2004, 03:48 AM
Almost picked up a P3AT I saw just sitting there, lonely, wanting a home...

I probably saw the same one, $230, would have been a nice second pocket friend...

All I picked up was 500 rounds of 5.45 x 39 for the SAR-2 which my wife really enjoys (maybe your wife would too sumpnz!)

I think Lennyjoe got the best deal, $5 for 9mm dies! :p

They had a couple 45 FireStorms,

That table with them is always the exact same FireStorms. You know, a few of the tables are starting to look exactly the same... I think I am going to the shows too often...

And I did sin, I bought food at a gun show table... one lady was selling jalapeno pickled garlic. I like garlic, and jalapenos, they tasted great when she gave me a sample, so I had to buy it!

Hope some coyotes tear up and carry off that cow...

Oh yeah, the show had a .357 Magnum Coonan... I think that thing would be fun.

November 10, 2004, 01:45 PM
So is the cow still there? I was thinking about going out there Saturday morning to see if I got my Yugo SKS working okay...

November 10, 2004, 02:21 PM
Hmm.. Saturday morning eh...? My evil black plastic SKS could use some attention, and I've gotta try out that 75 rounder (hope it doesn't melt my barrell!)


November 10, 2004, 05:38 PM
75 round? It might melt everything around it!

November 11, 2004, 10:54 AM
Yea, he's still there. Stinkin to high hell too.

Play the wind if you go out there. Make sure its out of the South. :eek:

November 11, 2004, 11:38 AM
I figured by now the buzzards and coyotes would have done the last of him in...


November 12, 2004, 03:44 AM
Ick, I might not go then, 'cause my wife doesn't want to be around the dead cow. I probably wouldn't mind it for the short test I want to do, but I guess I will see. Take a pic of it with you camera phone cid!

November 13, 2004, 08:38 PM
Well, gosh darn it, I go away for a week and a half and the whole forum gets a makeover.

I got skunked on my hunting trip. Got a shot at a spike, but missed (yes, I checked everywhere to be sure). Other than that I worked my a$$ off for no reward (well, I did have a really good time and it was quite beautiful out there, so I guess that is its own reward).

WkW - my wife probably would like that SAR-2, so long as it didn't fling the brass into her face (she's a leftie).

Hope to make the next get together.

November 14, 2004, 06:17 AM
I'll be out on the 14th at 3pm if anyone wants to join me.. gotta see if that 75 rounder is too heavy for practicallity (and yes, it is pretty dang heavy loaded up).

... I sure hope it doesn't stick out there... :uhoh:


November 15, 2004, 07:52 AM
I'll be out on the 14th at 3pm if anyone wants to join me.. gotta see if that 75 rounder is too heavy for practicallity (and yes, it is pretty dang heavy loaded up).

... I sure hope it doesn't stick out there... :uhoh:


So how did it go?

November 16, 2004, 12:00 PM
Well... I've got bad news, good news and more bad news...

After about 45 minutes of plugging away at the milk jugs while avoiding the absolute disgusting breeze blowing off of the dead cow... my friend Josh said "hey guys..." I turned around to see an officer standing directly behind me (well hey, it's a huge magazine, it takes a while to get through - especially when it!) asking me to put the rifle on the ground.

BAD NEWS: He informed us that we were no longer able to shoot on 'state trust land' and not to return. I took pictures with my camera phone...

GOOD NEWS: He informed us of a place we could shoot safely, about 7 miles east of there at an old abandoned missile silo. We drove out there and the silo is crazy looking, although most of it is filled with dirt and concrete.

BAD NEWS: There were alot of empty cases of beer out there, quite a bit of graffiti, alot of rusted metal and - worst of all - no good backdrop to shoot at. The area that looked common for shooting shot into a densly brush wash...

Definately an adventure though, that's for sure...

Looks like our Wentworth shooting spot is no longer a shooting spot.


November 16, 2004, 12:27 PM
Well... :cuss:

There was an area I used to go to off of old Senoita Highway, with a nice backstop, I'll go check it out and see if it is still good to go and let you all know.

November 16, 2004, 09:35 PM
Sounds like I need to research the "no shooting on state trust land" and see who really owns the land the pit sits on.

After I get back from the rest of my hunt. Got delayed today cause my son trashed his front left driveshaft in his car Sunday eve. Had to help him get it back on the road.

On the way out in the morning.

November 20, 2004, 10:40 AM
I know the land on the other side of Wentworth is State Trust Land, but there are (or at least were) no signs indicating such out where we shot. I've just got back to TUcson from my first week at the new job in Phoenix, but when I get a chance I'll see if there have been any signs put up. If there's no signs, then I think we should be OK. Officer friendly may well have been told to go out there due to some complaints and made up (or his supervisors made up) the State Trust Land excuse. But regardless of ownership, AFAIK, no signs, we're cool to shoot.

November 20, 2004, 01:18 PM
Looks like there are lot of shooters from the Old Pueblo here at THR. Sorry I missed this thread when it first went up. I would love to find a spot for shooting other than the local ranges, but I took a long break from shooting and all the places I used to go as a kid are covered with houses. And now it looks like the sekrit shootin' site was just shut down.

I just checked the Arizona State Land Department ( GIS map, and according to them all the land on both sides of Wentworth between I-10 and north of Andrada Road is State Trust Land. If you have a map viewer you can check out the GIS map here:

Arizona Surface Management Map (

There is a section and a half of BLM northeast of South Kolb and Sahuarita. I haven't been out there myself but on the map Kolb dead ends going north from Sahuarita. There is another section shown a mile south on Empire Road to the east of the Cienega Creek Natural Preserve. That's pretty much it. The rest of Southern Pima County looks to be almost entirely State Trust Land or Privately owned.

I would be leery of shooting at the old Titan Missile Silo site until I had more info on the land ownership status. It shows on the map as State Trust Land, but it may have been overlooked in preparing the map and still be Federally owned or even privately owned.

Also, aren't there a couple of spots up in Reddington Pass on National Forest Lands that are okay to shoot at? Or were the rumors that they slapped a closure order on Reddington true?

I couldn't find anything more specific than no hunting "along the front range area near the urban area of Tucson" on their site. Shooting isn't even listed under the pull-down menu for "recreation activities." Apparently in the eyes of the Santa Catalina Ranger District, target shooting isn't "recreational."

Santa Catalina Ranger District of the Coronado National Forest (

November 20, 2004, 01:27 PM
Sounds like I need to research the "no shooting on state trust land"
Unless you are lawfully hunting or a lesee of the land in question, being on State Trust Lands is technically trespassing. You can get a special use permit to camp, but I don't think they issue them for target shooting.

November 20, 2004, 11:04 PM
Thanks for all the info Zonamo.

AFAIK, WRT State trust land, target shooting, plinking, etc is strictly verboten. Hunting, with a valid license (and tag if for big game) is allowed with no other permits required, but don't do any sighting shots once there. Camping is allowed with a special use permit. I think you can walk through state trust land w/o a permit so long as you don't camp, harvest any plants, or shoot Coke cans. Motorized vehicles are also usually not allowed (including quads, dirt bikes, etc).

A guy where I (used to) work was telling me about a spot south of Sahaurita Rd. I think he said to take Wentworth south (I'm not sure of this 'cause I thought Wentworth ended there) and you'd come to an old open pit mine where you could shoot up to a few hundred yards.

December 12, 2004, 08:59 AM
No activity for a while...

I am going to go try to find my old shooting spot off Old Senoita Highway. I can't remember where it is for sure right now, but I am loading up the car with my wife, the Garand I got yesterday, and some other odds and ends, and I'll go find it again. I'll let you all know where it is at.

December 12, 2004, 07:21 PM
WKW: "I am loading up the car with my wife, the Garand I got yesterday"

I love my guns, but man, I don't love my guns... :neener: Brings a new meaning to shotgun wedding, now doesn't it? hahah

I finally got my fiance to not hate guns now... one step in the right direction.


December 13, 2004, 08:30 AM
I love my guns, but man, I don't love my guns...

I guess I should make sure I can't be quoted and have my words look strange from now on! :neener:

It took me a while to find the place, but I found it, and was nice and clean, and some people left some pumpkins to pop! I'll draw a map for later.

December 14, 2004, 04:06 PM
Sweet! Be sure to put the signs on the wrong side of entrances... it's a must! :rolleyes: ;)


December 16, 2004, 11:54 AM
Big5's got some decently nice stuff in this week (all the m44s are gone from the Speedway store, Ryan got the last one)... but I did manage to pick up a really nice Mauser. I'll go back for an m44 tomorrow when they said their shipment comes in (Ryan's is in mint condition).

My friends and I are going shooting Sunday afternoon... although the question of "Where?" has obviously come up since the last time we went out we almost got arrested. Can anyone make any maps to the places we know are OK to shoot? (and no, please don't make me a map to a pay-range... :p )


December 17, 2004, 02:56 AM
I originally got my M44 from Big5 too, but it wasn't in mint condition, maybe I can trade? ;)

If I remember, I'll make a map in the morning for you.

December 17, 2004, 09:59 AM
Okay, on I-10 East, slightly past where we were going to before, is Highway 83, also known as Senoita Highway. Exit there, and turn left. Imediately after getting on Highway 83, turn left onto Old Senoita Highway, can't miss it, big turn in area. Drive down that way till you hit the dirt, then follow the dirt road for a little over 3 miles. It's bumpy, but not too bad, don't speed or you might spin out or hit a cow. Around about 3 miles, you will pass a ranch entrance on the left and then a little after that, a large turn off area to the right. Follow that short road to several areas with backstops that can be used to shoot at. It was pretty clean when I was out there, so hopefully we can help keep it that way.

December 17, 2004, 10:03 AM
I'd love to join you guys, but my wife is coming up to Phx this weekend so we can try to find a house to buy. Normally I would be back in Tucson, but since it took all of about 2 hours for our house to sell (dang-it, shoulda listed higher) we need to find something pretty quickly.

December 17, 2004, 11:26 AM
Cool, thanks for the map! It wasn't as funny as mine, but it's probably more accurate... I should be out there around 3 on Sunday afternoon.


December 17, 2004, 06:32 PM
I should be out there around 3 on Sunday afternoon.

I'll probably be dead asleep by then or I would go out there too. Have fun!

December 19, 2004, 03:48 PM
Well, we're meeting up at around 230 and heading out from there, everyone else is more than welcome to come along with us! The more the merrier (as long as they're safe and follow the basic safety rules of course)!


December 20, 2004, 04:10 AM
Well, we found our new favorite shooting spot today...

We followed the directions (which were a lot easier to read than mine, btw) and found a nice old man shooting a 22 into a small embankment. We stopped to say 'hi' and he gave us a few pointers of places to shoot around there -- one of which was the old missile silo itself. We headed off in that direction only to notice that the "County Property: No Trespassing" signs on the gate were broken wide open. That didn't seem like a good idea, so we went on a little four wheel trip around the fence to the right and around to the back of the missile silo.

We found ourselves in a lakebed, with nice backdrops in every direction. After taking a quick walk, we realized that the backdrop to the west was only about a quarter mile from the 83, so we decided to shoot northward.

Beautiful day, and some beautiful surplus rifles...

We had some problems with 8mm rounds light striking, but the guy who had never fired anything but "dad's shotgun" before found a strong liking towards the Turk Mauser I picked up for $80 earlier this week. Both Ryan and I found a HUGE liking towards the m44s that both of us had picked up in the past week as well. Man, those little guys sure put out a flame and a shockwave.

I noticed some of my 7.62x54R had yellow tips on them, two packages of the 7 I had were yellow tipped. I throught they were tracers, but even shots fired toward the hills (150 yards..>?) when dusk was setting in didn't show anything but a puff of dust upon impact...

After much cleaning, I finally got my grandfather's Masuer stock fixed with some Gorilla Glue (thanks to the guys on the C&R forum for that tip).

Oh... and huge thanks goes to whomever left this guy ('s identical brother at West of the Pecos on Friday... He wasn't in there a few hours before I dropped a few pennies on it... Too bad I have to wait until the 30th to actually be able to take him home... :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

:evil: Practical? No... Fun? Sure looks like it's going to be...

Why don't they make the police-firearm-background-check clearable as soon as they get news back from the PD, not just after two weeks no matter what?

Wah -- that was a long post. I'm done now.


December 20, 2004, 10:40 AM
Hehe, cool!

December 20, 2004, 05:51 PM
Does anyone want to set up a shoot for the weekend after Christmas? Maybe some time after that to be sure mostly everyone can get together? That lakebed is 4-wheel drive accessable only unfortunately, but it sure is a nice spot...


December 20, 2004, 09:24 PM
Regardless of the situation involved with moving to Phx, I'll be in Oregon from the 22nd to Jan 5. Depending on what happens WRT buying and selling houses I might in Tucson the weekend of Jan 8-9.

December 31, 2004, 12:21 PM
If anyone is up for shooting on Jan 2nd to ring in the new year, my wife and I will be going to the area I mapped out to shoot for a while in the morning, probably around 8 or so, not sure yet.

January 1, 2005, 05:03 PM
I just got back in town from Ohio/West Virginia. Wouldnt you know it, I got a friggin cold while I was up there. Must of been the single digit temps and 2 ft of snow that caused that.

Anyway, Im out of ammo for now. Gotta hit the gunshow next weekend and stock up.

Good news though, Im ready to start reloading so Im gonna get some powder, primers and bullets and work up some 10MM and .45 loads maybe this week.

Hope everyone had a great holiday. I did. Was nice to see the family and all.

January 2, 2005, 01:05 AM
I'll be out there around 1pm as I've got church in the morning. If you've got 4wheel, go around the silo to the lakebed.


January 2, 2005, 10:36 AM
Looks like the weather is being disagreeable today. My wife doesn't want to brave the wind/cold/ and possible rain. :uhoh:

Sorry cidirkona, though if it does clear up by the afternoon, she might still want to go out.

Gotta hit the gunshow next weekend and stock up.

Another gun show this weekend, I think my wife wants to go get those custom made ear plugs since she has such small ear canals, but I don't want to buy anything for once in my life! :what: Guess I will have to go just in case...

January 8, 2005, 01:48 PM
So what did you end up getting Lennyjoe? I sold that SKS pretty quick, and picked up a Spyderco Spyderfly butterfly knife, and the custom ear plugs for my wife. That was it.

January 8, 2005, 05:46 PM
Final tally was;

1lb of IMR 4350
1lb of AA#9
1,000 magnum pistol primers
1,000 rifle primers
.45 ACP shellholder (dont know what the heck happened to mine)
30-06/.45 ACP Lee auto prime shell holder
100 each 150gr 30 cal bullets
100 each 130 gr Speer .270 bullets
100 150 gr Speer round nose 30 cal for 30-30
Lee case lube

Thats about it.

I drooled over them 10 series S&W pistols. He said he'd take $750 for both the 1066 and 1076. I got his card (Phoenix) and told him I would call at the end of the month. If he still has them, I might very well bring them home.

I want the 1066 the most though. Think it would make a great CCW pistol.

Buddy I was with got a Spanish bolt action .308 for $135 in pretty good shape. Stock was a little beat up but the bore and action was pretty clean.

Im gonna do some reloading tomorrow. Finally got all the pieces parts together.

BTW, the lady that was selling the powder ($16.95 for the IMR and $17.50 for the AA) wont be at the next show but gave me her card. Her and the husband will be there in April and she said to call her and she will put together an order for me. THe more I get the better the deal. So if your in need of powder let me know. I plan on putting together a list and calling her in late Feb for a bunch of powder.

January 9, 2005, 03:38 AM
That's pretty good for those two pistols, you could have the whole family of them! Looks like you got a good amount of stuff to take up your time though!

Spanish Bolt action in .308, was that the FR8 I saw a guy walking around with? Or was it at a table? Was thinking about one since I have two boxes of .308 Win and nothing to shoot it in!

I'll check my powder stock and see if I need any, I'll let you know, thanks!

January 9, 2005, 10:39 AM
Yea, it was the one that he was carrying around. The stock needs some work but the action and barrel was in great shape.

January 9, 2005, 10:42 AM

January 15, 2006, 11:53 AM
Update on the old Senoita Highway area. I completely forgot about that site, since last I went, it is now off limits. Sheriff was out there soon after I started up, and said we can no longer shoot there either. But he did direct me to some missile silo like things further East on I-10 at the Empirita exit, make a right, and then left onto a dirt road. Good luck!

January 15, 2006, 04:38 PM
Holy freakin' cow... I was out there two weeks ago, Game and Fish showed up, asked us what we were shooting, we said 'nothing' and they said 'ok, have fun!'

The Empirita site is pretty small and has no good dirt backdrop! The silo itself is fun to explore, but I think it is a horribly unsafe shooting spot...


If you enjoyed reading about "Southern AZ Shoot and Clean Up" here in archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join today for the full version!