Even if you used to work for the ATF, playing can make you put your foot in it.


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Matt G
September 5, 2004, 01:59 AM
...or put your foot somewhere. . .

Careful with those flashbangs, friends! (or any fireworks, for that matter.)

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<http://www.khou.com/news/local/montgomery/stories/khou040830_cc_huffmanfiremanfoot__.cb048de2.html>

Fire chief may lose foot after grenade accident

05:35 PM CDT on Monday, August 30, 2004

By Carolyn Mungo / 11 News

HUFFMAN - A home in rural Magnolia is now under watch by federal agents
and the Montgomery County Fire Marshall. Both agencies are launching an
investigation after a 911 call Friday night.

911 Operator: "What's going on there?

Caller: "A firework blew up and caused some major trauma to the foot of
a 32-year-old male."

911 Operator: "Are you there with him right now?"

Caller: "Yes."

911 Operator: "Is he conscious?

Caller: "Yes."

911 Operator: "Is he breathing?"

Caller: "Yes."

11 News has learned that several Cy-Creek EMS workers were reportedly
partying at the home Friday night when a grenade went off near the foot
of a Huffman Assistant Fire Chief.

Here's the second call to 911:

911 Operator: "Okay what's going on there?"

Caller: "This traumatic injury to the foot from an explosive firework.
I'm a paramedic supervisor with Cypress Creek. The last lady I talked
to, I told we're going to need a helicopter to Hermann."

Caller: "Half his foot's gone."

911 Operator: "Half his foot's gone?

Caller: "Yeh."

911 Operator: "Okay."

The home is owned by a paramedic with the Cy-Creek EMS.

Sources tell 11 News the explosion came from a flash-bang grenade, a
device used by federal and local SWAT teams. It's not licensed for use
by medical personnel.

11 News has confirmed the homeowner used to work for ATF.

In a statement the Cy Creek EMS President said: "We are aware of an
incident that took place over the weekend and unfortunately one
individual was seriously injured. We understand some of our personnel
were present at the time of the accident and we are looking into the
matter."

11 News has learned the victim may have to have his foot amputated.

Meanwhile, because of the nature of the explosive device, Montgomery
County is looking into possible criminal charges

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Paramedic linked to 'flash-bang' snafu for 2nd time
Ex-federal agent named in Friday's blast investigated in July incident
By TERRY KLIEWER
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

MAGNOLIA - A former federal agent connected to a "flash-bang" grenade
explosion that hurt a Huffman man during the weekend is suspected of
misusing a similar device in Hempstead in July.

Gene Williams Jr., 42, head of the tactical medical squad for Cypress
Creek EMS, is under investigation by the Hempstead Police Department,
where he was a reserve sergeant, accused of exploding a "flash-bang"
grenade in a parking lot there during the city's Watermelon Festival in
late July.

Hempstead Police Chief Glenn Smith said Tuesday that Williams, who had
been in his unpaid reserve position for 20 months, resigned Saturday, the
day after the Magnolia accident.

Smith said the Hempstead case is pending with the city attorney.

Meanwhile, federal authorities confirmed Tuesday that Williams was an
agent for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in
Beaumont until about six years ago. They could report nothing about his
background or reasons for resignation.

Williams declined to discuss what happened Friday.

Smith and Ruben Gonzales, president of the Cypress Creek EMS, confirmed
Williams is under suspicion of having a role in the explosion Friday
night.

Investigators say that about 10 p.m., an explosive device went off near
Steven Cosby, 26, a Huffman assistant fire chief, who lost part of his
foot in the blast. Cosby remains in good condition at Memorial Hermann
Hospital in Houston.

Gonzales said Williams is on unpaid leave.

Sources familiar with the Magnolia case say the device involved appears to
have been a law enforcement-style "flash-bang" grenade. Flash-bang
grenades generally are used to temporarily disorient suspects, such as in
standoffs.

terry.kliewer@chron.com

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monsternav
September 5, 2004, 02:16 AM
Ahh, yes. Only the government is qualified to have firearmes or other devices. :mad:

Bob R
September 5, 2004, 02:28 AM
head of the tactical medical squad

Ah yes.........the "tactical medical squad". Am I the only one who thinks this may be part of the problem?

Why not just a "medical squad"?

Maybe I can bring up this concept at work....Hey boss, what we need is a tactical ER team...you never know what may come in the door!! If fact here in week or so, I may be able to provide tactical arms for the team!!

Flash-bang grenades generally are used to temporarily disorient

This could come in handy, especially when I am getting ready to put a foley into someone!! FLASH>>>BANG..Pt (wha...wha...what..) Me (lubing and sliding that foley home before they know what invaded them!!) Pt (hey..where did that come from!?)


bob

4570Rick
September 5, 2004, 02:37 AM
Ouch!!!:what:

effengee
September 5, 2004, 02:46 AM
Since when do EMS personnel carry flash-bang grenades???
I rode ambulance for three years and can't remember a single case where we needed to blind and deafen our patients...

What is an ex-ATFE guy doing messing around with flash-bangs at social functions anyway???

This sounds like the idiot who used to like to spray the portable O2 at people for fun, until he got kicked off the squad for wasting the supplies and creating a major fire hazard...

I seem to remember another officer who thought he put the pin back in and then stuck the armed flash-bang into his cargo pocket...

Or the cop who shot his fingers off because he was trying to move a weapon by the muzzle and the trigger...
I guess he didn't realize they are the most dangerous parts of a gun...

Just proves that a badge is no substitute for intelligence.

cracked butt
September 5, 2004, 06:00 AM
This could come in handy, especially when I am getting ready to put a foley into someone!! FLASH>>>BANG..Pt (wha...wha...what..) Me (lubing and sliding that foley home before they know what invaded them!!) Pt (hey..where did that come from!?)

Doesn't sound like a bad idea. Had one of them once and probably would have had a better experience if someone hit me with a flashbang first:eek:

MagKnightX
September 5, 2004, 10:47 AM
What, pray, is a foley, and why does it need to be lubed and slid home?

edit: Google is my friend. A catheter, eh? Owies.

Art Eatman
September 5, 2004, 11:09 AM
Lots of folks have stuff like the flashbangs as souvenirs. Nothing all that unusual, there. Heck, just look what GIs haul home with them.

But most souvenirs don't get misused in such a doofus way. This guy just isn't playing with a full deck. His notions of "humor" are, at best, warped. Sounds like he's got all the common sense of a mouse in heat...

Art

kentucky bucky
September 5, 2004, 04:17 PM
I think we know why he's a "former" agent!:what:

Ex-Doc
September 5, 2004, 06:21 PM
Foley= garden hose shoved in the little hole in your unit. Home=your bladder.....

R.H. Lee
September 5, 2004, 06:42 PM
Why does this stuff always happen in the South?

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