Would You buy a Moisin?


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JimJD
September 5, 2004, 09:33 PM
A co-worker recently purchased a M-N at a local shop and it's got Me thinking.
He said it went for $100.00 out the door. It was a little beat up, but all numbers matched. Said it's a good shooter too.
It appears to be a carbine version. Maybe it was made like that from the get go, maybe it was cut down somewhere down the road, I don't know.
I've been looking for a bolt action lately, and I do like the old Russian/Com-block weapons.
What should I look for if I do decide to get one? I've heard of some things to be wary of, but I'm a babe in the woods when it really comes down to it.
Thanks all! :D

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lee n. field
September 5, 2004, 09:38 PM
I just asked that last week:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99574

Redlg155
September 5, 2004, 09:43 PM
Milsurp Shooter.Net (http://www.milsurpshooter.net/) is a good place to get some information.

Would I buy one? Definitely. I've got a beautiful M44. I've also owned a traded a few.

There are several models out there, with the M44 (carbine w/folding bayonnet) being of of the most popular. The model 91/30 (full length version) is also very popular. Both can be had for under $100.00 in just about mint condition.

The nicest ones and most desirable ones out there are the Finnish rifles (M39). These are going to run you a good bit more than the Russian rifles.

The site has some good information...so take a peek there. I will eventually break down and order a Finn since I haven't found one yet at the gun shows.

Good Shooting
Red

JimJD
September 5, 2004, 09:44 PM
Great, thanks for that info! :D

George S.
September 9, 2004, 06:51 PM
I bought a Mosin 91/30 rifle at a local Big 5 Sporting Goods for $80 earlier this year and it's a whole lot of fun to shoot. The rifle was made in 1931 at the Izhevsk Arsenal and it was in very good condition. All the nubers matched except for the bayonet.

I'm still getting used to shooting it but so far I hae been able to manage 8" groups at 200 yards with the iron sights. It has a fairly good recoil to it and it's pretty loud but with a deeper "boom" to the sound.

The M44 is a carbine version of the 91/30 and is also a common one to find. From what I have heard, the M44 has a pretty stout recoil and a really grand muzzle flash!! Big 5 currently has a sale going now for the $79.95 price.

Surplus 7.62x54R ammo is fairly inexpensive and plentiful but most of it is corrosive and some is more accurate than others. The Czech silvertip stuff is good and Wolf makes some decent ammo in that caliber.

Here's are some good Mosin websites:
http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/phpBB2/index.php
http://www.7.62x54r.net/
http://www.surplusrifle.com/russiannagant/maintenance.asp
http://www.mosinnagant.net/i3tro4.asp

iamkris
September 9, 2004, 08:16 PM
Nope I wouldn't buy one...

I bought two. 91/30 and a M44. Cost me a total of $130 from AIM

jefnvk
September 9, 2004, 08:34 PM
I have a 91/30 I paid $79. All matching, dated 1938. It is capable of three shots touching at 50 yards with open sights.. I plan on getting a 38 carbine and a M44 soon

jem375
September 9, 2004, 09:18 PM
I bought a nice M44 also and it sits in the safe, not worth taking to the range. Will probably give it away. look for a Swede M96 or a British Enfield 303, lot better...........

Daemon688
September 9, 2004, 10:05 PM
I bought a nice M44 also and it sits in the safe, not worth taking to the range. Will probably give it away. look for a Swede M96 or a British Enfield 303, lot better...........

You could give it away to this poor college student :D

Bridger
September 9, 2004, 11:14 PM
I bought both an m44 and m91/30 from www.aztecguns.com.

At 55 for the 91/30 and 50 for the m44, I couldn't resist. They are great guns, and while a lot of people are Mauser fans, I have come to like the Mosins more. A bolt action isn't complicated to begin with, but they just seem so simple and feel great to me.

jem375
September 9, 2004, 11:36 PM
daemon688...will keep you in mind.........

OEF_VET
September 10, 2004, 05:05 AM
Would You buy a Moisin?

No, I'd buy three. First was a 1946 M-44, purchased in 2000 for $110. Then, this past May, I picked up a 91/30 and a M38, both dated 1944, for $89 each.

WhoKnowsWho
September 10, 2004, 05:18 AM
I think I like my M44 more than my two Mauser 98s (a Czech and Turk). Though the bolt movement feels nicer on the Mauser. The sights on the M44 are easier to use. Though I haven't fired the Mausers yet, so my final decision hasn't been made as to which I like better. :)

Zeke Menuar
September 10, 2004, 06:05 AM
Can't buy just one.

1944 M38
1937 M91/30
1943 Tula ex-sniper
1953 Hungarian M44

One more slot left on the rifle rack.

ZM

Sistema1927
September 10, 2004, 11:41 AM
I picked up a 91/59 carbine in really nice condition at my local dealer last week for $70. 1940 marked Izhevsk w/ matching SNs except for the bolt. I have no problem believing that they took the nicest of the 91s to convert, and then put them away in storage.

They were asking $79, but I was already buying 10 boxes of Winchester Q3131A ammo (5.56mm), and was told that if I would also buy the last 3 loose boxes at $3.30 per box (so that they could open up another case) that I could take the Mosin home for $70.

Of course, I had to pick up a couple of paper packages of 7.62x54R surplus and took it to the range the next day.

What a fun rifle!

Cosmoline
September 10, 2004, 01:43 PM
I've asked myself that question many times, and the answer is usually "yes, I would buy that mosin":D

I prefer the 91/30's to the M-44's. The M-38's are the best of the carbines, but the vast majority have been abused and counterbored.

Erich
September 10, 2004, 04:01 PM
I believe I've bought more than a dozen . . .

TODD3465
September 10, 2004, 04:52 PM
I got one that's a finish capture rebarreled by VKT.

Daniel964
September 10, 2004, 07:55 PM
Buy One? I bought 4. Traded one for and Isapor Enfield though.

GD
September 11, 2004, 10:02 AM
The best Mosin Nagants readily available now are the Finnish M39s. They are very accurate and like most of the Mosins, very robust. I like collecting the Russian models also but all of my Finns are very accurate and so they top my list of favorite firearms. The Finns felt the only way to engage the Russians in WW2 was to have accurate firearms and different strategies of fighting. I usually find a few reasonably priced SA stamped Finn rifles at each gunshow I attend.

aerod1
September 11, 2004, 05:39 PM
I have two....a M-44 and a 91/30. Both are decent shooters.

Jim

Fatelvis
September 11, 2004, 05:53 PM
No. I think they are the ugliest rifles ever invented. I know I dont sound like a true "gun enthusiast", but that rifle, with its straight bolt, and general shape, just looks BUT UGLY to me! :barf:

aerod1
September 11, 2004, 06:00 PM
They may be ugly to some but they are very strong rifles. I guess that would be gorilla ugly.......ugly and strong.
You get a lot of rifle for the money.

Jim

Mannlicher
September 11, 2004, 07:41 PM
I have no need for one at all. There are much better weapons out there, I own a bunch of much better weapons. I don't need any curio and relic junk.

Sistema1927
September 11, 2004, 09:23 PM
"curio and relic junk"??

Oh well, that just means more for us.

More Makarovs.

More Ishapores.

More Mausers.

More Mosin-Nagants.

More Sistemas.

(What is not to like? The Winchesters, Marlins, Remingtons, Springfields, Glocks, Kahrs, S&Ws, Colts, Brownings, Rugers, and others don't seem to mind sharing the gunsafe with the "curio and relic junk".)

armoredman
September 11, 2004, 09:57 PM
I have a 1942 M38 carbine, and it is wonderful. All matching numbers on the metal, but a refurb M44 stock, and the barrel has been counterbored. I get 3.5 inch groups at 100 yards with Wolf ammo. Now that incredibly geneous people are stting me up into reloading, I will start handloading for this little Russian gem. Aztec still has M44s for $49.95 - at that price, can you afford not to have one? They won't be cheap forever - remember the $50 SKS rifles?
The 7.62x54R is the longest serving round in the world, having gone into service in the late 1880s, and is still in service today.....

armoredman
September 11, 2004, 10:04 PM
My Mosin is my HDR right now, as I can't afford anything else. I am confindent that I can easily take a man sized target up to 200 yards with open sights. The Czech Silvertip corrosive suplus ammo is also equipped with a mild steel core....
Maybe I look goofy next to the guys with FALs and ARs, but my 62 year old Russian friend does quite well. Do remmber to clean the chamber area VERY well, preferably with a drill chucked brush, as the old cosmo has set in every little crevice, and with firing the steel case laquer coated surplus ammo, creates a condition known as sticky bolt. http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/Sticky_bolt.htm Good info here.
Here you go - strong women like Mosins....

Ohen Cepel
September 11, 2004, 10:15 PM
YES! Everyone should have one :-) or more.

If you want only one the Finnish 39's are a great one to have if you want so shoot it a lot.

The Russians are great. However, they are either a bit short (hard recoil for me) or way too long (91). The Fins really made a better rifle from the Russian's idea.

That being said though. They Russians are real cheap and are great guns. Just depends what you're into and what you want it for.

krusty311
September 11, 2004, 10:19 PM
Definitely! For the price you just can't beat it.Except maybe a $100 yugo SKS.:D


krusty

JimJD
September 12, 2004, 01:42 AM
Well... You all talked Me into it...

Went to the store today and got Myself a M44!
All serials match and it was made in 1944 at the Izhevsk factory. Appears to be in great condition. Still checking out the web sites mentioned in this thread for more info. The rifle came with an ammo pouch and oiler, cleaning rod was under the barrel. Just have to get a cleaning kit, sling, etc.
Wish I could have gotten the prices I've heard about around the country, but around here they can't be had for less than a hundred dollars. Including the shows. So, in the end I paid a hundred. But that's fine with Me. Picked up a couple of boxes of new production ammo too.
Hmmm...maybe I should apply for My C&R...
I'd like to go to the range tomorrow, but have to make some last-minute preparations for the "possible" hurricane problem. There's always next weekend. Once I take it out, I'll let everyone know how it shoots.
A big thanks to everyone for their input on this. :D

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