[m23haz]

Like the title says, I am moving from Florida to New Jersey. What do I do about my guns?

Can I take them with me? What do I do with them when I get to NJ?

I'm not sure what the NJ gun laws are so I am really just looking for advice into the process.

[Hawkmoon]

www.packing.org

Or save time, and just shoot yourself.

[Stebalo]

Moving from FL to NJ...what do I do?


First, I would reconsider.

Second, if you do move, please become active in the RKBA movement here in NJ. It's not very large or powerful, but we need more voices to help us here. Too many give it up for lost and either move out of state, or don't even bother trying to make their voice heard.

So if you must come

http://www.njcsd.org/
http://www.gunownersnj.com/
http://www.anjrpc.org/

I'm a transplant that wishes he'd gone elsewhere. But not that I'm here, I try to do what I can.

[boofus]

Give all your guns away, empty your wallet, cut off your balls and then you will be properly indoctrinated for life in NJ. :p

[Highland Ranger]

packing.org is good, also look at www.evannappen.com

He wrote the authoratative book on NJ gun law.

If you are moving in with your guns you should be ok transporting them locked, ammo separate as in any other state (keep in mind that as you travel up, in some states like Maryland, a loaded magazine, even separate from the gun = a loaded gun.)

You don't have to register them.

Some caveats, like anything with more than a 15 round capacity is illegal based on our own homegrown state AWB. No grandfathering. Hollow points are also illegal except under certain circumstances etc.

(Get the book!)

Also, the process going forward for you in NJ is you need to apply for a FID (firearms ID card) and depending on where you are that can take upwards of 6 months (liberal democratic counties closer to NYC = 6 months as you get out in the mountains, more conservative less hassle with guns, less permit time.)

(This is in spite of the fact that there are laws saying it can take no longer than 60 days I believe.)

The FID card entitles you to buy all the long guns and ammo you want. Handgun caliber ammo must be logged in a book but it is legal to buy over internet or mail order (no log there.)

Handguns require a pistol purchase permit. You are limited to one purchase per month. Permits are good for 90 days. In my town, we get them in two weeks (sussex county). Elsewhere it can take months and the local PD's can practice their own version of gun control by repeatedly losing your application and just giving you the run around. Keep your receipts and keep good documentation in general. Be persistent, they can't legally deny you.

Lots more info, as you have more questions, fire away.

Not a gun freindly state, if that's an important part of your lifestyle, consider moving to nearby Pennslyvania. Lot depends on where you will be working as commuting from PA to areas where most of the decent jobs are is not practical

Good Luck!

[MarkDido]

Moving from FL to NJ...what do I do?

Why?????

[E36M3]

Move back. I just did (PA to NJ to PA). It's just not possible to live as an American there. Flame if you will, but it just isn't (for many reasons too tiring to mention here). The entire system is a horror although most are oblivious to it. The ONLY hope is if Bret Schundler becomes the next Governor and he'll have a very long and difficult road ahead and he knows it, but still moves forward. He's one of the best that America has to offer.

[Stebalo]

How does Doug Forrester stand on 2A issues?

I thought Schundler flopped on CCW, didn't he? I've been told that anyway.

[Highland Ranger]

Heed those warnings and here are a few more:

Traffic - the most populous state in the Union has increasingly worsening traffic problems. A 1.5 hour commute each way is not considered "long".

Taxes - high

Cost of Living - High you can fall into that 3% of Americans that Kerry calls rich and not be in NJ.

Auto insurance - high

State Government - CORRUPT AND LIBERAL

Anti-Gun

Anti-Hunter

Re Schundler - he is pro gun, looser laws and for concealed carry.

http://www.issues2002.org/Governor/Bret_Schundler_Gun_Control.htm

[Crikey]

It doea remind me of the line from Passenger 57.

Sherrif "Well what would you do if you were me?"

Snipes "Kill myself."

Cheers,
Mike.

PS - Consider a move to Texas :)

[Rexrider]

Hang a left on to I 10......

Keep going until you hit Arizona :D

[Dbl0Kevin]

Handguns require a pistol purchase permit. You are limited to one purchase per month.

This one is incorrect. You have to get a seperate permit for each handgun you want to buy, but the ONE gun control law that NJ does not have.....yet....is a 1 gun a month law. You may request as many handgun permits as you wish at one time, though they cost $2 a pop and must be used in 90 days. You can renew them for an additional 90 days but after 180 days they're done.

[m23haz]

Ok let me clear some things up.

I was born and raised in NJ and lived there for 22 years before I moved to FL to go to school here. I finished up my degree and now I have lived here 1 year out of school.

I hate it here.

I will not pick a place to live based on its gun laws. I like guns, I like shooting, but it is not that important to me. I dont live and die over guns and gun laws. Yes the state has high property taxes but overall its not that bad. The schools and govt programs are a lot better in NJ than in FL. And just for the record, my car insurance is higher in FL than it was in NJ. Everyone gets all excited about FL not having income tax but they tax food and clothes and the food here is expensive! It all balances out.

Anyone live around Atlantic City? I grew up in that area. If you know NJ then you know that South Jersey is more conservative than North Jersey.



One of the reasons I am moving back is because I am interested in becoming a State Trooper.



Thanks to all for the information, it helped out a lot
:)

[Dbl0Kevin]

I live in Camden County about 45 minutes from Atlantic City. Yes South Jersey is a bit more conservative than North Jersey....but it still isn't all that great.

If you want to be a NJ State Trooper all I have to say is good luck. I hope you have some connections cause that's about the only way you can get a police job in this state. I'm getting out just for that specific reason. NJ is THE most crooked and corrupt state in the nation and I really don't see it changing anytime soon.

Again good luck....you'll need it. :banghead:

[m23haz]

So you have to get an FID and apply for another permit to purchase handguns.

However, if you already own them, then you do not need a permit?

Just trying to understand whether or not I need to apply for a permit when I get there.

[m23haz]

If you want to be a NJ State Trooper all I have to say is good luck. I hope you have some connections cause that's about the only way you can get a police job in this state.

Actually, I do! :D

[Dead]

Handguns require a pistol purchase permit. You are limited to one purchase per month.

Unless something has changed recently, you can purchase all you want. For pistols just make sure you let "them" know you want MORE than 1 pistol permit when you apply for the permit(s)... (there is a little box near the top of the form where you can put in a number you are applying for)

P.S. I think it is $2 per permit...

[freedomlover]

You'll be so busy up there enforcing all those stupid gun laws, you'll have excellent job security!

Great plan.

[WT]

Here's a link you might be interested in - NJ Police Training Commission.

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/njptc/home.htm


And a NJSP firearms link.

http://www.njsp.org/about/firearms.html

[Dbl0Kevin]

WT,

That link is the Performance Objectives for municipal academies like the one I went through. 23 weeks of PT, and NJ redundant law. If he wants to be a Trooper they have their own academy with a whole different book of regs and PO's. As of right now 26 week LIVE IN academy mon-fri. It's one of the hardest in the country.

[geekWithA.45]

It's One Pistol PER PURCHASE PERMIT. You may get as many permits as you like, they expire in 90 days.

There is no requirement to register anything on the way in, and this serves you.

Do not bring anything NJ defines as an "Assault Weapon", as the NJ AW registry is CLOSED. Scrutinize the list: Old tubular mag .22lr autoloaders holding 17 rounds have been deemed AWs.

But to be BRUTALLY honest, you'll find that as soon as you become an NJ State Trooper, none of the laws will apply to you, and the courts will invent exemptions for you that weren't in the law. It happens regularly in that corrupt hellhole of a state.

[E36M3]

Make no mistake about it - Bret Schundler understands Constitutional Rights. You must understand, too, if you're a NJ resident and plan on remaining so that campaigns are won and lost on the issues that are important to the constituents. What's important to me is irrelevant to others so a good candidate needs to understand this and conduct himself or herself accordingly.
The RKBA isn't even on the radar screen to many, but the related principles of personal responsibility, accountability and self reliance cross a much broader spectrum. Mr. Schundler really just didn't know how to handle the RKBA issue when he was attacked on it with Democrat guns ablaze. He'll do just fine next time. Be sure to support and not criticize him when he needs to play the game a bit. NJ ain't easy and he's a much better man than any of us.
If you're really serious then send money to www.bret2005.com . I have no connection to him, but him as Governor of NJ would be great for the entire country. I recently sent $50 and will probably send more.

[E36M3]

One final perspective: The importance of Constitutional Rights, if you value them in the first place, becomes rediculously apparent when you have them, lose them and then get them back. Today marks the 3 week anniversary of moving back to PA from NJ and, although bitter-sweet in many ways, we couldn't be happier. The corrosive forces that took away Constitutional Rights in NJ are the same corrosive forces that are ruining the entire educational system there, create un-Godly tax structures and eliminate open space (not to mention corrupt to the core politics, etc).
It's very sad to have left so many good people behind, but I've got a family to raise. NJ, IMHO, isn't worth any career. It truly sucks in a very big way. It's a scourge on America. I was hoping that I'd be able to just let it all go, but I guess that our work is never done whenever there's injustice anywhere, especially right next door.

[OldStar]

I will not pick a place to live based on its gun laws. I like guns, I like shooting, but it is not that important to me.

Then perhaps you are in the wrong forum.


The schools and govt programs are a lot better in NJ than in FL.

So.......... you came to Florida to go to school?


Everyone gets all excited about FL not having income tax but they tax food and clothes and the food here is expensive! It all balances out.

Nonsense. A state income tax system invades your privacy by gathering more information about you, your sources of income and your spending and charitable giving, as well as "progressively" taxing some people more than others. It also taxes money you make through investments. A uniform sales tax simply places taxes on money you spend, not on what you earn through investments.


I was born and raised in NJ and ... I am moving back ...

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

:neener:

[Shootcraps]

Like the title says, I am moving from Florida to New Jersey. What do I do about my guns?


You can stop anywhere along I-95 in Virginia and settle. Our gun laws are fantastic compare to Jersey.

[OldStar]

You can stop anywhere along I-95 in Virginia and settle. Our gun laws are fantastic compare to Jersey.

Am I correct in believing that Virginia imposes a "personal property tax" which includes a requirement that you report and pay a tax on the firearms you own?

Before you rush to say "no," I would suggest that the law is on the books, but is simply unknown and/or ignored by most people.


And, having lived there for several years, I agree that Virginia is a great place to live - particularly contrasted with New Jersey.

[m23haz]

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Then perhaps you are in the wrong forum.



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So.......... you came to Florida to go to school?





I asked a question about what to do about the gun laws in NJ when I move. I did not ask for a bunch of opinions on different states and where to live. Some people have been kind enough to give me those facts without imposing their beliefs on me, and I thank them!

If you must know..........

I went to the University of Tampa because I had already completed my major at a state college in NJ (Stockton) and I wanted to get away for a couple of years. I got into shooting when I got here and I would like to continue no matter where I am. When I referred to schools I was talking about lower education, the school system for children from elementary through high school.

Also, I come to this form to strictly learn about guns. I like to read about guns, their functions and their accesories. I also come here to look in the classifieds for guns to purchase. I do not come here to debate politics or the gun laws. Some people concern themselves with things other than guns and the laws that apply to them, I am one of those people. I will never pick a place to live based on its gun laws, it is just not that important to me. I like guns, however, they are a very very small part of my life and scope of interests.

Again I want to thank all that helped me with useful information. :)

[carpettbaggerr]

Anyone live around Atlantic City? Isn't that the biggest pit south of Hoboken? The farm country in South Jersey looks nice, but AC?

I like guns, however, they are a very very small part of my life and scope of interests. You're sure you want to be a Trooper? Guns play a larger role in a Trooper's life, as opposed to most citizen's lives. And, you'd better like driving......

[m23haz]

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Isn't that the biggest pit south of Hoboken? The farm country in South Jersey looks nice, but AC?


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You're sure you want to be a Trooper? Guns play a larger role in a Trooper's life, as opposed to most citizen's lives. And, you'd better like driving......








Didn't I just talk about such comments? :rolleyes:


Please don't inform me about guns and cops, I have several in my family. I don't need to open up my life history here to get a simple answer to a question, do I?

[Dbl0Kevin]

You're sure you want to be a Trooper? Guns play a larger role in a Trooper's life, as opposed to most citizen's lives. And, you'd better like driving......

HA! I'll introduce you to some Troopers and cops that I know. Half of em barely know the difference between a rifle and a pistol. In reality guns are a very small part of police work if you want it to be that way. On the other hand if you have an interest in guns they can be a very large part of police work. All how you want to do it. I think most can imagine which category I'd fall under. ;)

[m23haz]

Kevin, where are you generally located in Camden Co.?

I grew up in Atlantic County, right by the Hamilton Mall if you know where that is.

[Dbl0Kevin]

Sure do. I actually went to Stockton myself. I live in Atco about 5 minutes from the race track if you know where that is. It's about the only thing my town is known for. :D

[RavenVT100]

I live in NJ. It's hard to be a firearms enthusiast here, but it's still doable. I would rather live here than in CA.

In a few years, after my stepdaughter starts college, I'll be moving out of this state. In the meantime, once you have your NJFID, you can do okay. When you want to buy handguns, apply for a few pistol permits at a time so you can buy them in a group if that's your thing.

As far as the "smart gun" law goes, that technology doesn't even exist. And as someone who knows about electrical engineering as well as guns, I doubt it will anytime soon.

[WT]

m23haz - you asked a question which I don't think was answered yet.

"No, you do not have to register your guns when you move into NJ."

You SHOULD apply for your NJ firearms ID card as soon as you move in. Don't carry a firearm in your vehicle (for whatever reason) until you get that card.

That said, I know some troopers and they are decent people. However, it takes a long time to move up the ranks in NJSP.

Don't give up on THR. There are some people here who are willing to help answer your questions without busting your chops.

[kentucky bucky]

Find a competant therapist and find out WHY would I do such a thing. ..........Am I crazy? Then unpack and stay where you are.

[Shootcraps]

Am I correct in believing that Virginia imposes a "personal property tax" which includes a requirement that you report and pay a tax on the firearms you own?

Before you rush to say "no," I would suggest that the law is on the books, but is simply unknown and/or ignored by most people.

Virginia used to be heavy into that tax, but has reduced it a lot. You used to pay it on your househould goods too. Now the only things you pay it on are cars, trailers and boats. I've been using the Virginia Turbo Tax for years and it's never asked me about firearms.

[OldStar]

Don't give up on THR. There are some people here who are willing to help answer your questions without busting your chops.
Unless, of course, your chops need busting.

I moved to FL to go to school here.
I hate it here.
The schools and govt programs are a lot better in NJ than in FL. And just for the record, my car insurance is higher in FL than it was in NJ. Everyone gets all excited about FL not having income tax but they tax food and clothes and the food here is expensive!
None of that has anything to do with firearms.

Sometimes, chops need busting.


I sympathize with, and encourage, anyone from the northeast who wants to leave Florida and return home. You can do that without putting the knock on my home.

Come to think of it, all you folks in the northeast should believe everything he says - Don't move to Florida!

;)

[m23haz]

Kevin, of course I know where Atco is!

I used to go to the track all of the time when I lived in NJ. I love cars and I used to run my Camaro there and go with a bunch of friends who have various cars.

We will have to meet up!

Thats pretty cool that you went to Stockton also. What years were you there?


And thanks for the info WT, that is what I was looking for. I know its hard to move up in the SP but I think I might give it a shot because if you can move up there is money to be made and I think it would be a good career.

[RustyHammer]

Hope you leave before Ivan gets there!

[raz-0]

m23haz

get your FID like others said, if you want to be really airtight on the whole situation, find a gun store that will store your guns for a fee, and leave them till you ahve quired the FID, which can take a while, expect at least 60 days. Longest I heard of was slightly over 6 months. You are taking a risk of getting busted on the moving in trip without it while transporting if you don't. I leave that risk assessment up to you.


Being born and raised in NJ, I'd also say seriously reconsider your choices especially if you haven't been here for the majority of the last 4 years. It has gotten BAD. Trafiic congestion is insane. I have a 16 mile commute to work. It usually takes me 40min plus each way. I have what many consider to be a GOOD commute. The overcrowding is basically leading to some of the worse attitudes you will find in people anywhere in the country. Pick any situation, and I guarnatee you there are enough people pissed off enough to exacerbate it. This can be anything from going to the supermarket to getting your hair cut, not just things like driving. SOuth jersey is a bit better, but not much.

As for car insurance.. BAD. real bad. If you are a florida resident, it will be REALLY REALLY bad. You will get hit with a surcharge for being a new resident. it will be steep. For example, my friend had a suspended license because he was an idiot. Because he was suspended and didn't have the cash to buy his way out of it, he dropped his insurance. When he got back to driving, he had no points, and had a surcharge for not previously ahving insurance. the surcharge was more than the surcharge for having killed someone with your car. As an out of stater you will be hit with a surcharge that IIRC is four figures just as a way to say howdy, welcome to NJ.

Property tax is BAD. Not a little bad, a lot bad, especially in the last couple of years. The average home is something like $300k. During the upswing in the market, municipalities basically ignored the price inflation, assessed the value lower than market, but upped the rate to increase revenue. Now, being cash strapped due to idiotic spending and a contracting tax base due to the economy, a number of them are reappraising property to match market with tax rates of 3-5%. The net result is you cna very easily have to cough up the equivalent of your mortgage payment in taxes each month. The rate of personal bankruptcies in NJ has started shooting up in the last 18 months, it's going to get interesting.

It's not all about guns, it's jsut getting straight up BAD to live here. The quality of living index has plummeted in the last two-three years.

On top of that, the laws are getting pretty bad, not jsut gun laws, pretty much in every category we are swamped with idiotic new laws that pretty much screw over everyone not involved in lining the pockets of our politicians.

Seriously, unless your houshold income is going to be over 100k for homeownership (and I use the term home loosely to describe the quality of dwelling you will be living in most likely, once again south jersey is a BIT better, but not that much), or about $67k for apartment dwelling, you are pretty much living paycheck to paycheck.

Basically, if there is ANYPLACE else appealing to you, seriously consider it, NJ is basically full, and we are all getting cranky about it.

[E36M3]

At least South Jersey has Butch's Gun World in Vineland.

[m23haz]

Thank you for your insight Raz-o.

I know a lot about NJ and I have been thinking about this decision long and hard over the past year. Right now, I just think it is what I want. If things don't work out then I can always leave, I am not tied down to anything.

SJ is not as bad as NJ as far as the crowding goes like you stated. I think (know) eventually every place in this country (and world) is going to be crowded. I work in the mortgage business here in FL and I see how much it is growing here every day. Where I live right now, in Hillsborough County, the housing prices are not far off of what they are in NJ. My girlfriend has been looking for a condo the last couple months and the prices in one complex have gone up $20k just over the summer. I do these mortgages and I can tell you that it is bad here also. Can you get a cheap house? Sure, but you have to live far outside of the city limits in the middle of nowhere around some suspect people. This is not just a NJ problem, it is a national problem. I don't want to have to live in a place that I do not like just so I can have an inexpensive house. Not to offend anyone here but I am just not a Southern person and I feel out of place here.

[m23haz]

Two more questions:

1. What does it take to get a CCW permit?

2. Can you buy guns from out of state and what is the procedure?


Thanks!

[RavenVT100]

1. What does it take to get a CCW permit?

Divine intervention.

2. Can you buy guns from out of state and what is the procedure?

Same procedure as it is in most states, according to federal law. You have your local FFL dealer provide a signed ink copy of their license to the out of state dealer, that dealer ships to them, then your dealer transfers the firearm to you. You may receive it as long as you have your NJFID in the case of long guns, or the NJFID + One pistol purchase permit in the case of handguns. Remember you need one permit for each pistol purchased.

[Dbl0Kevin]

I used to go to the track all of the time when I lived in NJ. I love cars and I used to run my Camaro there and go with a bunch of friends who have various cars.

What year Camaro? I used to run my 92 down there a few times along with my 93 Formula and my 97 Trans Am that I have now. My last semester at Stockton was the summer of 02. When are you coming back to Jersey? If I'm still around when you get back we'll definately have to meet up. I'll be shipping out for the Air Force probably in mid to late October if all goes smoothly.

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

Check out www.njcsd.org .

- pdmoderator

[m23haz]

Kevin I had a black 91 Z28 350 TPI!!

I should be back in October.

[Dbl0Kevin]

Nice that was always the 3rdgen that I wanted. Mine as a green RS with that damn 3.1. I then got my 93 Forumla with the speed density 350 LT1 and traded that for an 84 Vette. Sold the vette last year and bought a bunch of guns after I bought my 97 Trans Am with the dual cat 350 LT1. That car ain't goin nowhere for a while. :)

[OldStar]

You guys might want to consider exchanging e-mails.

Or try this web site: http://www.theautochannel.com/chat/

:cool:

[mountainclmbr]

If moving from FL to NJ, you should try to bend your head down and chew through your neck. Get the pain over with fast. I try not to go to NJ on business trips. I make the commies come visit me!

[m23haz]

If moving from FL to NJ, you should try to bend your head down and chew through your neck. Get the pain over with fast. I try not to go to NJ on business trips. I make the commies come visit me!


Thanks for the constructive and........ummm...... informative post :rolleyes:

[Sergeant Bob]

govt programs are a lot better in NJ than in FL.
Then you certainly should move to Joisee.