ABC Shows Machine Guns for AWB


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Guntalk
September 9, 2004, 05:17 PM
Did anyone see ABC News or Nightline last night, where they showed the guys with the machine guns (North Hollywood bank robbery?) and said these are the guns which would be "back on the street" if the AWB expires?

I could find no link on the ABC web site to send them email about this fraud.

Just disgusting.

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Sawdust
September 9, 2004, 05:38 PM
Yep.

The Los Angeles ABC affiliate showed that very footage during the teaser and the story. :cuss: :banghead:

Sawdust

Highland Ranger
September 9, 2004, 05:39 PM
old dog old tricks . . . .

The front page for nightline shows a spot " Packing Heat" http://abcnews.go.com/Sections/Nightline/

It links to an AP article about gun manufacturers getting ready to sell us "weapons of war": http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040907_1829.html

If you go to the video library you can grab a video: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/video_index/video_index.html on the right hand side but for some reason I can't play it.

No spot for feedback, I am sure Ted doesn't care.

Standing Wolf
September 9, 2004, 05:55 PM
I'd have expected nothing less than lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, and plain old-fashioned fraud from the national leftist extremist so-called "news" media.

ZeroX
September 9, 2004, 06:02 PM
I saw at least 3 local news promos with the words "deadly" and "back on the street" being used.

SodiumBenzoate
September 9, 2004, 06:41 PM
I saw the same thing.

krusty311
September 9, 2004, 06:47 PM
Yep,not very suprising though.Too bad we can't all get together and start up a cable channel that deals with our intrests.

krusty

Gunrunner
September 9, 2004, 07:24 PM
Seems like not a single person in the mainstream media has any knowledge of firearms. The reporters always call semi-auto rifles "automatic rifles", they show pictures as described of full-autos, etc, etc... Just this morning on KABC radio the commentator was saying how "these kinds of rifles aren't any good for hunting or target shooting". Well I beg to differ. An accurate AR-15 is a great gun for coyote or other varmint control. And anyone who's ever shot my ARs at a paper target doesn't want to stop, because they're hitting the target!!

Unfortunately there's plenty of ignorant people who believe anything they hear or see on the news. Then they think anyone who owns a semi-auto rifle is a gang banger-criminal type. To bad we can't vote the reporters, editors, et al out of their jobs.

bogie
September 9, 2004, 07:25 PM
Suggestion:

You've got a phone book. Call your local ABC affiliate, ask for the news room, and give 'em a piece of your mind about their shoddy and inaccurate reporting.

pharmer
September 9, 2004, 07:45 PM
Problem is half of Americans in some poll (please don't ask which one) say the only news they get is the half hour network broadcast. I guess I shouldn't complain that they give 12 minutes of news and 18 minutes of commercials, less lie time. Joe

mainmech48
September 9, 2004, 08:03 PM
Much the same crapola in our little corner of 'Flyover' country, with the Indy COP throwing in his 'I support the Second Amendment but...' noise thrown in for added effect.

On a positive note, there was an article on the Op/Ed page of today's 'Star' from an 'emeritus' professor of Sociology (!??!) in Evansville concisely describing how and why the whole 'assault weapons' hoopla is based on deliberate misinformation knowingly sown by the various media in pursuit of the sensational.

It sure would be interesting to see the part of this piece that they edited out, if the one that they printed from the THR member a couple of weeks back is any measure.

akanotken
September 9, 2004, 08:07 PM
Diane Sawyer had the nerve to ask the NRA spokeswoman why anyone would need one of these.

The NRA lady did point out the inaccuracy in showing fully automatic weapons. But I wished she'd shot back with "Its our rights, how can you justify taking them away? Why does anyone need free speach? Lies and Libel can do extreme damage ....."

I got so mad, it almost cost me a new TV.

WhiteKnight
September 9, 2004, 08:09 PM
They printed a quote from a THR member?

Mulliga
September 9, 2004, 08:18 PM
NRAnews.com is all over this one. :)

Ringer
September 9, 2004, 10:07 PM
After watching Good Morning America this morning with Diane Sawyer and the Detroit Police Chief I'm ashamed to even be from the Detroit area. They kept showing video clips of the Hollywood shootout and only focusing on fully automatic weapons. When the NRA rep tried to get the point that the upcoming change had nothing to do with full-auto weapons they (Diane and our lie telling Police Chief) would not even acknowledge it. The Chief made a comment about how with these weapons you didn't need any expertise or practice and that you could just hold the gun at your side and "mow down humans". As another poster said Diane only wanted to focus on "why does anyone need one of these?" instead of the actual change in law.

Does the average non-gun person actually believe this total BS?:barf:

mparris71
September 9, 2004, 10:10 PM
Link to email the liars http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/Nightline/Nightline_email_form.html

Michigander
September 9, 2004, 10:22 PM
Seems like not a single person in the mainstream media has any knowledge of firearms. The reporters always call semi-auto rifles "automatic rifles"...

Heck, even I get confused sometimes. Like, why is a semi-automatic pistol usually referred to as an automatic? Or am I crazy?

boofus
September 9, 2004, 10:23 PM
Because it automatically loads the next round into the chamber. Self-loading is a better term but means the same thing.

Justin
September 9, 2004, 10:25 PM
As a part-time employee of ABC, you have no idea how much joy it gives me to dump some of my wages from them into scary looking rifles.

Michigander
September 9, 2004, 10:32 PM
Because it automatically loads the next round into the chamber. Self-loading is a better term but means the same thing.

I know that. Isn't that the same thing that happens in a semi-automatic rifle? Why isn't the semi-automatic rifle called "automatic." A truly "automatic" pistol is a type of machine gun, or "machine pistol" right?

Back to the semi-auto pistols; we can call them:

a) self-loading
b) semi-automatic
c) automatic (even though it is not truly "automatic")

Is this right?

Couldn't the same be said about a semi-auto rifle?

SunBear
September 9, 2004, 10:45 PM
Since they are the enlightened ones, they are instant experts on EVERYTHING. They can extrapolate profound insight from just a little knowledge, No really , they know all about this stuff. Their ignorance is equalled only by their arrogance! :neener: :barf:

ceetee
September 9, 2004, 11:37 PM
Back to the semi-auto pistols; we can call them:


a) self-loading
b) semi-automatic
c) automatic (even though it is not truly "automatic")

Is this right?




When I learned to use them, they were "auto-loading pistols". I think "auto-loading" got shortened to "auto" somewhere down the line. Then, "auto" got misused as "automatic".

Semantics are a beeyatch, sometimes...

Gunrunner
September 9, 2004, 11:43 PM
Keep up the good work Justin. I'd like all of ABCs wage earners to invest their money into something good, like scary looking rifles. Or any rifles or handguns for that matter.

And I bet that a lot of the top dogs at ABC, NBC and CBS have a lot of nice quality firearms. They're just to chicken sh*t to admit that they have them. What a bunch of BSers they all are!!! The top dogs aren't about to let on that they like the same stuff us "common folk" do. They have to keep their "image" up so they can keep their ratings for all the "sensational" news that makes their ratings. What a sorry state of affairs.

CleverNickname
September 10, 2004, 12:01 AM
Someone in Congress needs to write up a bill to repeal 922(o). I mean, since schoolchildren will supposedly be able to buy machine guns in Walmart by next week, let's stay on the offensive and actually do what they're already complaining about. What are they going to do, whine more?

Myself
September 10, 2004, 12:08 AM
This morning I listened to a PA news radio show that had a woman from some PA group saying that if the ban sunsets then the mentally ill and criminals would be able to buy military style guns. Are they really that ignorant or are they trying to deceive?

Derby FALs
September 10, 2004, 12:11 AM
Seems like not a single person in the mainstream media has any knowledge of firearms. The reporters always call semi-auto rifles "automatic rifles", they show pictures as described of full-autos, etc, etc... Just this morning on KABC radio the commentator was saying how "these kinds of rifles aren't any good for hunting or target shooting". Well I beg to differ. An accurate AR-15 is a great gun for coyote or other varmint control. And anyone who's ever shot my ARs at a paper target doesn't want to stop, because they're hitting the target!!

The only thing hunting and target shooting have to do with freedom is that they're good practice.

Guy B. Meredith
September 10, 2004, 12:32 AM
Try http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/Nightline/Nightline_email_form.html

Flood them.

Remander
September 10, 2004, 12:34 AM
The Chief of Police on the Nightline segment said the banned guns could fire 30 rounds in 5 seconds and warned we would see "the carnage begin" after the ban ends. Get a (pistol) grip, Chief!

Yep, and a revolver can fire 6 rounds in a blink of an eye, IF Jerry Miculeck is shooting it maybe. I'd like to see the chief bang off 30 in 5 seconds. The whole intro full of full-auto scenes was just outrageous!

S_O_Laban
September 10, 2004, 12:47 AM
I wonder how much $$$$ the chief got for that fine peice of acting. There is nothing like a paid professional liar....opps I mean witness.:evil:

PMDW
September 10, 2004, 12:50 AM
My Uncle is #3 in charge of the Cincinnati ABC affiliate. I wonder if there's anything he could do.

Guntalk
September 10, 2004, 10:02 AM
Yes, your uncle, and all ABC affiliates, can demand that ABC news run a retraction on the air.

The stations can simply say that they know this report to be not only false, but fraudulent, and because it ran on the affilates, that affects them. They can call and demand an on-air correction.

Now, whether ABC will do it is another matter, of course, but it's still worthwhile to let ABC know that everyone knows they faked a story.

Ed
September 10, 2004, 10:38 AM
Doesn't ABC stand for All Bull Cra#?
Did we expect different?

rick_reno
September 10, 2004, 11:22 AM
Write/call them and make it clear you have options in which news you watch and that ABC isn't on your list. "Follow the money" - get in touch with their sponsors too - I don't watch ABC but it's probably the same bunch of drug/car/consumer crap ads every night that fund their "reporting". Let the sponsors know you've stopped watching ABC news because of inaccurate and misleading reporting.

Curare
September 10, 2004, 11:30 AM
What amazes me is that politicians and the media keep using language like "back on the street".

There are currently 30 million "assault weapons" in the US--most in the safes of law abidding gun owners.

I saw Feinstein on a news program talking about a 7 million dollar shipment of AK-47s intercepted coming out of Romania, en route to a SC gun dealer. AK shipments have been coming regularly for 10+ years!

Bullwhip
September 10, 2004, 11:52 AM
I must admit that I'm nowhere near as educated about different firearms as you folks. However, I was watching KING 5 news (a local NBC affiliate) here in the Seattle area as they were doing a story on the end of the AWB. At one point during the story the correspondant was talking about these "high powered rifles" being back on the street while several truly high powered bolt action hunting rifles were hanging in plain view on the back wall. It was obvious that the interviews with the local gunstore owners were edited for specific responses as well. They even had the police chief whining about these "deadly weapons" being back on the streets and that the carnage would begin. *sigh* At the end of the story they talked about the Democrats urging the President to reconsider the AWB but that he left it in the hands of the Republican Congress.

So after painting a picture of violence erupting in the streets with automatic gunfire they say Republicans are to blame. Nice.

walking arsenal
September 10, 2004, 12:07 PM
I'll stick my neck out here.

I work for an ABC affiliate. Dianne Sawyer of good morning america made some good points about the AWB being bogus. Other than that i agree that coverage was sad.

If we wanted to send a letter, petition or somthing to ABC maybe i could get the info of were and who to send it too if anyone is interested lemme know.

Heres the link to our stations web site www.wdio.com just for kicks.

noonanda
September 10, 2004, 12:38 PM
This is what I wrote, lets see if they reply or respond

Your recent broadcast on the upcoming Assault Weapons Ban expiration was full of lies and inaccuracies that I would not have expected from your network. Your show showed clips from the North Hollywood bank robbery. It showed the criminals using fully automatic weapons. The Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) does not have anything to do with fully automatic weapons. The AWB has to do with cosmetic feature not being allowed on military style Semi Automatic Rifles.
The AWB prohibits the following features:
1) a folding or telescopic stock,
2) a Pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the stock,
3) a bayonet mount,
4) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel,
5) an attached grenade launcher
My question to you is this. When was the last time you heard of a Criminal holding up a store with a bayonet equipped rifle or a drive-by bayoneting, or when was the last time two rival gangs started shooting grenades at each other. The AWB has done NOTHING to reduce Crime.
Let’s face the facts. Criminals can not legally purchase firearms. If they did, they would not be criminals. The playing of the North Hollywood bank robbery footage has no bearing on the AWB. Those criminals had already broken the law prior to committing the robbery by illegally converting a Semi-Automatic Rifle into a Fully Automatic weapon. They broke a law that was enacted in 1934 prohibiting the possession or manufacture of a fully automatic weapon without a license.
Many supporters of the AWB say that once the ban is lifted any criminal or mentally ill person will be able to get an assault rifle and the streets will become a war-zone. This is a blatant lie, as it is already illegal for criminals and the mentally ill to own or possess firearms of ANY type, to include a simple BB gun. The AWB only affects law abiding citizen’s ability to purchase rifles with these so called evil features.
Police Chief William Bratton is either confused or does not know what he was talking about. He stated that these Banned weapons could fire 30 rounds in 5 seconds. This is a blatant lie due to the fact that to shoot a Semi-Automatic Rifle, you have to pull the trigger each time for the rifle to fire. A Fully Automatic weapon has the capability of one pull of the trigger and 30 rounds would be fired. My credentials on knowing this bit of information do not come from what I have read or seen on ABC. I am a United States Marine, helping to defend this great nation. Being a Marine means we use and become familiar with the capabilities of the weapons in the US arsenal. The only weapons that can fire 30 rounds in 5 seconds are the fully-automatic weapons, and as I have stated before are not allowed for civilian possession unless licensed. I have fired many fully automatic weapons during my Marine Corps career, and have fired many semi-automatic weapons. I was never able to fire 30 rounds with a semi-automatic weapon in 5 seconds.
In fact the article on your website has inaccuracies to it. To quote your website “It also means that the barrel of the gun can come equipped with a flash suppressor, which makes it more difficult to see the location of the shooter at night.” This is not what a flash suppressor does. A flash suppressor is designed to divert the light from the muzzle flash of a rifle fired at night from the shooters eyes. In my belief it enhances the flash when seen from the targets perspective. It does not make a shooter harder to see, it allows him to fire without being blinded by the flash of the muzzle.
Many supporters of the AWB love to use the term “Assault Rifle”. Do you know where or who came up with this term? That person was Adolf Hitler. He coined the phase by naming a automatic rifle that the Nazi’s were developing the “Sturmgewher-44” or when translated to english "Assault Rifle-44". This weapon had a fully automatic capability. It had a detachable 30 round magazine. Your show incorrectly labeled semi automatic rifles “Assault Rifles” because the look similar to actual “Assault Rifles”. This is like saying that all cars are Fords. They are similar. I can also use the comparison “NBC, ABC, CBS, they are similar.
I will not watch your show again unless you make a retraction or correction, and I will advise my friends and neighbors to do the same. Like I said before NBC is similar, I guess I will have to watch that channel instead. You have my permission to post this letter.

bfieldburt
September 10, 2004, 12:40 PM
E-mail Nightline
(We're Listening)

"We're listening". For some reason, I don't really believe that. Here's my point and question. Last night, in your story about "assault weapons" and the uncoming sunset of the ban, you showed pictures of fully automatic machine guns and showed footage from the infamous Hollywood shootout (again, in which fully automatic machine guns were used). Q: Are you simply unaware that the "assault weapons" ban law has nothing to do with machine guns? Machine guns have been banned and severely restricted since 1934. So, based on any logical assessment, that puts you in the following position: 1) You are either amazingly uninformed about the very subject you did a major news program on or 2) You are purposely attempting to manipulate and deceive the public. So, my last question is: Which of the two is it? "We're listening". Prove it to me and send me a reply.

NOTE: I will be posting this letter on a number of web forums. I will also be posting your reply (or commenting on your lack thereof). I await a response from one of your representatives.

HankB
September 10, 2004, 01:12 PM
Same old, same old. Back in 1994, when the AWB was being discussed, Tom Brokaw on NBC news did a story about the proposed ban, and used film footage of A FULLY AUTOMATIC AK47 being fired. This provoked a number of letters to NBC, which responded with words to the effect that yes, it was incorrect, and no, they didn't intend to issue a correction.

And then, a couple of weeks later, THEY DID IT AGAIN! :cuss: :fire: :banghead:

Now we have ABC doing the same, and CBS going after Bush with forged documents . . .

There's only one word which describes the organized and orchestrated campaign of lies promulgated by the dominant Big 3 networks: malice. :cuss: :banghead: :fire:

Guntalk
September 10, 2004, 01:26 PM
Anyone here old enough to remember Dan Rather and "The Guns of Autumn?"

AZ Jeff
September 10, 2004, 01:56 PM
Tom,

I remember the CBS trash piece "The Guns of Autumn". It portrayed hunters in a VERY bad light. Of course, to do that, they actually attempted to BRIBE hunters into committing crimes, like shooting waterfowl that had landed on the ground.

I also remember that CBS got LOTS of negative flack over that show, and I do not think it was ever re-broadcast. I seem to remember that CBS did offer some sort of apology, too--as half hearted as it was.

It was very much like when NBC was caught rigging the gas tanks of Chevy pickup trucks to blow up on impact, since they could not get them to do so spontaneously upon impact.

Nightfall
September 10, 2004, 03:41 PM
Sickening. I e-mailed ABC, for all the good it will do. When you have an agenda, calls for logic and truth largely go unheeded. :rolleyes:

jwmoore
September 10, 2004, 10:38 PM
This evening on the ABC World News, Peter Jennings pointed out ABC had received a lot of mail regarding Wednesday's report, and that the automatic weapons shown here (Hollywood shootout) are not covered by the AWB, and will remain "illegal" - his word, not mine.

~W

SodiumBenzoate
September 10, 2004, 11:13 PM
I saw the same thing, jwmoore.

MAKOwner
September 10, 2004, 11:25 PM
Yes, he also made the point that although fully automatic weapons like those were not covered by the ban, the 75 round mags they were using were indeed covered by the ban... So anyway, at least it's something....

Kenneth Lew
September 11, 2004, 04:50 AM
Jayson Blair, Janet Cooke, Stephen Glass, Patricia Smith, Jay Forman, and Michael A. Bellesiles.

glocksman
September 11, 2004, 11:00 AM
On a positive note, there was an article on the Op/Ed page of today's 'Star' from an 'emeritus' professor of Sociology (!??!) in Evansville concisely describing how and why the whole 'assault weapons' hoopla is based on deliberate misinformation knowingly sown by the various media in pursuit of the sensational.

That would be Dr. William R. Tonso, who is a retired Professor of Sociology from the University of Evansville.
Smart man, and one who is committed to the Second Amendment.


BTW
'Emeritus' means one retired from professional life but permitted to retain as an honorary title the rank of the last office held .

mainmech48
September 13, 2004, 03:55 AM
Glocksman: I knew that emeritus meant that he was retired, but was kinda blown away by the notion that anyone with traditional American values could actually survive Academia long enough to earn the honorific. Especially in a 'fuzzy' subject like Sociology.

He must've felt a lot like Galileo with the Inquisition on his case most of the time. True Believers aren't very tolerant of a Heretic in their midst, especially when he's right.

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