[kannonfyre]

I know that people generally stay away from anything less than a .38 special +P or .32 H&R Magnum for self defence but imagine yourself waking up at night to find a 240lb BG armed with a machete trying to smash his way into your bedroom and ALL YOU HAD was a 8 shot snub nosed revolver loaded with .22 WRM hollowpoints...........

I don't know much about .22 magnum effectiveness but anyone care to speculate what effect 5 or 6 .22 WRM hollowpoint COM hits would have on an aggressive sonovagun?

What about 5 hits with .32 H&R magnum SWCHPs?

[Kamicosmos]

My .22 Mag is an AMT Automag II. I doubt if it would get very many shots of before jamming! Heh...damn thing...

Well, I wouldn't choose a .22lr, or even a .22 mag for self defense, but in the situation you describe, the big dude with the machette coming after me would get all eight of 'em, that's for sure.

Better to have a gun and not need it and all that...

[Blackhawk]

'Bout the same as 5-6 .380 ACP or .38 Special slugs. Better penetration & about the same energy....

1 in the snot locker would be all you need.... :D

[kannonfyre]

snot locker? I presume that would be the nose?

[JMLV]

(Paco Kelley for one) a 22 magnum is nothing to sneeze at and will do the job in a pinch. One fellow he knows takes his deer with one every year (hey its his land I suspose he can as he pleases)

[kannonfyre]

So I presume that if the home-invadin' punk is still active after he has been plugged with 6 .22 WRM, he would be A LOT easier to deal with......say with a suitable tool like a pair of brass knuckles or a kubotan?

Any recommendations for good .22 WRM ammo?

[Kahr carrier]

CCI -STINGERS :D

[JohnBT]

CCI Maxi-Mag®+V is good.

The Stinger is .22 LR

JT

[Al Thompson]

Bill Jordan also thought well of the .22 Mag. Really, when you move from a shotgun/rifle for HD, you need to adjust your thinking/planning, IMHO. Handguns are like remote control drills. They put small holes in the target. Remaining calm and picking your target(s) is the best answer, regardless of handgun caliber.

[Smoke]

2 to the pump, one to the head repeat until you hear several clicks when you should hear a bang.

If he is still moving HIT HIM WITH THE GUN. Repeat until he quits moving.

I certainly wouldn't want to be shot 6-8 times with a .22wmr

Not the best choice but could be effective, better than nothing.
Use what you have.

[MCNETT]

You might want to try the new 50gr CCI Gold Dot. I have not yet chrono'ed it from my Singlr-Six, but it opens to .405" and penetrates 8.5" in wet phonebooks!
-Mike

[Snowdog]

1 in the snot locker would be all you need....

Snotlocker... I like that!

(BTW, I just found that if you highlight a :D , it turns into a little smiley Legionaire head... those aggressive little buggers sneak up on you.

Or, maybe I should just lay off the sauce.

[22x9]

Like Kamicosmos, my .22mag isn't a revolver. Its a Grendel P30, so the BG would eventually get 30+1 rnds in him after I get done clearing all of the jams.

At least he wouldn't be able to see, the muzzle flash from the P30 would momentarily blind him(ugh and me too for that matter).

All of this is assuming the P30 (my homely safe queen) is not locked up in my double keyed safe with the trigger lock installed.

:scrutiny:

[Blackhawk]

snot locker? I presume that would be the nose?

Yep. You've never heard that? You must have grown up in a time altered by Contac!

With a frontal impact to the nose, there's nothing significant protecting the brain. Take a look at a skull sometime.

[p35]

long ago I prosecuted a guy for a shooting over a drug deal. He used a Single-Six in .22 Mag; the bullet hit the victim in the hip and went across the inside of his pelvis, lodging in the hip joint on the opposite side. Both femoral arteries were cut. The ME said he probably lived less than three minutes, but in that time he ran a hundred yards and through a hedge.

Point is (aside from don't mess with drugs), you have to hit in the right spot and even then don't expect a one shot stop. I would sure be scared of getting hit with one, though.

[HerbG]

Having once owned an S&W Model 1960 with 3.5" barrel, I know that the .22 Magnum produces major muzzle flash in the dark. The first shot would illuminate the entire room and should cause the BG to have a coronary on the spot.

[BigJake_old]

.22 Mag is a VERY worthy rnd for a person if its your only option, you should see what the thing does to woodchucks!

[Greybeard]

Wasn't it Jeff Cooper who suggests placment in or near the the eye sockets with .22s? Even a low miss might catch the "snotlocker".

Of CHL students I have who do carry mouse guns (no flames please; I've got 3 of 'em), I suggest they practice equally shooting COM and CON - center of nose!

' Forgot what other geezer it was that said "If you shoot BG in the belly, he may stand there and look at you. But, if you shoot him in the face, I promise you that he will not stand there and look at you." :what:

[Shane]

In all honesty, if some one is seriously deranged and out to chop someone up with a machete at all costs (as the BG you described), you can hit them with a 12 gauge and it might not immediately stop them. My point is, there is no magic cartridge. .22 Magnum is a pretty good cartridge for its size, and under normal conditions I think it would give you a reasonable chance.


Also, if you miss the CNS even a larger caliber bullet will likely be ineffective at an IMMEDIATE stop. Shot placement is the key, and its also luck (its NOT easy to hit the brain just right or the spinal cord IMO).

[Jim March]

Go check the velocity tables on the NAA website, www.naaminis.com - look under "technical". To read the data, you have to know that "Black Widow" equals 2" barrel and "MiniMaster" equals 4". After that, the data is 100% useful for any similar barrel length revolver.

The rounds that perform the best out of 1&1/8th through 4" barrel lengths are the CCI MaxiMag +V and "+V TNT". These are both 30grain JHPs, doing about 1,200fps from a 2" barrel, 1,400fps from a 4". (Note that for some reason, the old standby "50fps for every inch of barrel" does NOT apply to this caliber in short barrels!) The original +V uses a hollowpoint cavity of fairly small dimensions; expansion will be at the least delayed and possibly non-existent at handgun velocities. The newer "TNT" has a more advanced JHP design with a bigger, deeper cavity.

If you're going for headshots, the original +V is the ticket. For body shots, the TNT is better (unless the dude is VERY fat!).

Now, stretch the barrel length and you've got a whole 'nuther class o' critter. For the ultimate, Gary Reeder has a Single Six conversion featuring accuracy upgrades, an 8" custom barrel and a custom 8-shot cylinder :D.

http://www.reedercustomguns.com/revolvers/images/double_deuce_small.jpg

http://www.reedercustomguns.com/revolvers/double_deuce.htm

Oh ya. NOW we're talkin' 22Mag :). 'Cept I'd want a smaller grip...not like there's major recoil going on...

[clem]

Kamicosmos,

What kind of problems are you having with your AMT II? I've got one and with the right ammo & lub, no problems?

Try break free as your lub and ONLY use Winchester Ammo.

Also:

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/


This site has a 22 mag section.

Good luck!

[kannonfyre]

Assuming that one is using a Taurus Model 941 revolver with a 2" barrel, is there anything that can be done to modify the pistol so that muzzle flash at night won't be such a problem?

[p35]

Muzzle flash is a function of the gunpowder used, not the gun. .22 Mag is usually loaded with slower burning rifle powder that mostly burns after leaving the barrel of a pistol, creating the big flash. I suppose you might add a conical flash hider like those used on some military rifles, but I've never seen it done on a pistol and it doesn't strike me as a good idea.

[Jackanape]

I think Remington Premier .22WMR rounds might do the job fairly well. I don't know what kind of velocities you'd get out of a short barrel though. Time to break out the chronograph... Anyhow, the 33 Gr. V-Max bullet tears up gophers something fierce. A far cry from humans I know, but I imagine they might make a nasty little cavity in a man's chest...

All of this having been said, I'll stick to .45 ACP for defense purposes, thank you very much.

[CZ-75]

With a frontal impact to the nose, there's nothing significant protecting the brain. Take a look at a skull sometime.




'Course Jim Cirillo had a perp get a face full of .38 LRNs, a couple of which came out when he blew his nose.

Only sure thing is that there isn't one.

[chaim]

'Course Jim Cirillo had a perp get a face full of .38 LRNs, a couple of which came out when he blew his nose. Scary thought. If someone shot me in the face and I was still standing the last thing I'd want to do is blow my nose. I'd be afraid of what else may come out:eek:

[Kamicosmos]

What kind of problems are you having with your AMT II? I've got one and with the right ammo & lub, no problems?

It used to jam alot, but I worked on the magazines a bit, and it seems better. Now, it's problem is light strikes. I am trying to track down a spring set for it. And every now and then, it pulls a double feed trick.

It does prefer Winchester Super X, and does okay with CCI as well.

When it decides to run, it runs great! Fast action, accurate, and guaranteed to get questions and comments!

(It is an original Irwindale, CA model, btw)

[arinvolvo]

"In all honesty, if some one is seriously deranged and out to chop someone up with a machete at all costs (as the BG you described), you can hit them with a 12 gauge and it might not immediately stop them." -Shane

Oh contraire...there is a shot with a 12 guage that will stop ANYONE as long as the placement is correct. It is called #4 shot in a 12 guage...aimed at the pelvic triangle...(draw a triangle from your two hip bones down to your sack)....Any shot in that general area is capable of folding a man in half by nature of essentially shattering the bone structure that connects your torso to your legs. Even a man hopped up on PCP will be unable to advance on you....stand....or walk....Like I said...they will most likely fold in half...and probably bleed out.

Kinda gruesome...but hey...it is a gamble coming into my house uninvited, or unannounced.:fire:

[22luvr]

I carry one of these little 1 1/8" barreled beasts on an almost daily basis. I sure would not want to step in front of one of these rounds at close range.

I use CCI Maxi-Mag + V's in mine. They're rated at over 1,000 FPS, even out of a short barreled mini.

At short range (5 yards or less) I can get all five quick shots into a 8" paper plate, which is about the size of the average perp's head.

[HerbG]

The muzzle flash and blast from a short barrel .22 MRF is VERY intense! After the first shot in the dark, neither you nor the bad guy is gonna see or hear anything!

[Gordy Wesen]

Aguilla (sp?) is coming out with a hot .22wmr that will be called "Golliath". I expect velocities will run between 2500 and 2800 fps.

[Marcus]

Gotta agree with Herb about the muzzle flash/blast,my only .22 Mag. pistol is also an NAA Mini with a 1 1/8" barrel. Heh with CCI Maxi Mag Vs it should toast the BG`s eyebrows right off! :eek: Fierce lil bugger at a TFL shoot I let one of the guys wives try it after she`d been shooting .357s and .40s and such. She laughed at it at first,said it was cute etc. Then she fired one *LOUD* shot,turned and gave me a dirty look and punched me in the arm! :D I`ve been pretty impressed with the .22 Mag.,the only thing I`d be worried about for HD is that the otherwise more effective loads may not have as much penetration as you`d like. Marcus

[SouthpawShootr]

I had an Automag II and don't ever recall it jamming. Of course I only fed it Winchester .22 mags (about the only brand I could find that was loaded with the factory recommended ball powder). It was an impressive noisemaker, but little else. If you wanted to creme small animals, this caliber might be the ticket in a rifle. I see little use for it in a pistol or revolver. If you were to shoot somebody with it, the bullet would probably to through the first person leaving little more than a .22 hole and one pissed off perp.

[arinvolvo]

No way....I think a 22lr or a 22 mag is going to make more of a dent in an attacker than some people seem to think.

Even if it doesnt kill them, which they definitely can, it will startle them, and scare the sh*t out of them....Giving you the oppurtunity to get out of there.

In the heat of the moment...a perp will not realized that he has "only" been hit with a 22...

Also I believe i read somwhere that 22mag and 223 have very similar balistics at short range. And I am sure that a 22 hollow point will make a more impressive wound channel that you might imagine.

I beleive that when it comes to personal defense...it doesnt matter what you are packing...as long as it makes a LOT of noise when you pull the trigger, it will be relatively effective in startling your attacker, changing his mind about messing with you, and giving you the chance to escape danger, saving your life.

Now when it comes to home defense...I say, the bigger the better.....But when it comes to concealed carry....you MUST stay concealed...and if that means a tiny pistol, then so be it....it still beats a can of pepper spray.