Is there any way to FIA or PRAR Kerry's hunting permits?


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stv
September 10, 2004, 04:16 AM
...if in fact they exist?

"I'm a Hunter" could become "I'm a Poacher" pretty quick... :evil:



edit: Found more info on MA's "Public Records Act"

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/66-10.htm

CHAPTER 66. PUBLIC RECORDS

Chapter 66: Section 10 Public inspection and copies of records; presumption; exceptions

Section 10. (a) Every person having custody of any public record, as defined in clause Twenty-sixth of section seven of chapter four, shall, at reasonable times and without unreasonable delay, permit it, or any segregable portion of a record which is an independent public record, to be inspected and examined by any person, under his supervision, and shall furnish one copy thereof upon payment of a reasonable fee. Every person for whom a search of public records is made shall, at the direction of the person having custody of such records, pay the actual expense of such search. The following fees shall apply to any public record in the custody of the state police, the Massachusetts bay transportation authority police or any municipal police department or fire department: for preparing and mailing a motor vehicle accident report, five dollars for not more than six pages and fifty cents for each additional page; for preparing and mailing a fire insurance report, five dollars for not more than six pages plus fifty cents for each additional page; for preparing and mailing crime, incident or miscellaneous reports, one dollar per page; for furnishing any public record, in hand, to a person requesting such records, fifty cents per page. A page shall be defined as one side of an eight and one-half inch by eleven inch sheet of paper.

(b) A custodian of a public record shall, within ten days following receipt of a request for inspection or copy of a public record, comply with such request. Such request may be delivered in hand to the office of the custodian or mailed via first class mail. If the custodian refuses or fails to comply with such a request, the person making the request may petition the supervisor of records for a determination whether the record requested is public. Upon the determination by the supervisor of records that the record is public, he shall order the custodian of the public record to comply with the person's request. If the custodian refuses or fails to comply with any such order, the supervisor of records may notify the attorney general or the appropriate district attorney thereof who may take whatever measures he deems necessary to insure compliance with the provisions of this section. The administrative remedy provided by this section shall in no way limit the availability of the administrative remedies provided by the commissioner of administration and finance with respect to any officer or employee of any agency, executive office, department or board; nor shall the administrative remedy provided by this section in any way limit the availability of judicial remedies otherwise available to any person requesting a public record. If a custodian of a public record refuses or fails to comply with the request of any person for inspection or copy of a public record or with an administrative order under this section, the supreme judicial or superior court shall have jurisdiction to order compliance.

(c) In any court proceeding pursuant to paragraph (b) there shall be a presumption that the record sought is public, and the burden shall be upon the custodian to prove with specificity the exemption which applies.

(d) The clerk of every city or town shall post, in a conspicuous place in the city or town hall in the vicinity of the clerk's office, a brief printed statement that any citizen may, at his discretion, obtain copies of certain public records from local officials for a fee as provided for in this chapter.

The executive director of the criminal history systems board, the criminal history systems board and its agents, servants, and attorneys including the keeper of the records of the firearms records bureau of said department, or any licensing authority, as defined by chapter one hundred and forty shall not disclose any records divulging or tending to divulge the names and addresses of persons who own or possess firearms, rifles, shotguns, machine guns and ammunition therefor, as defined in said chapter one hundred and forty and names and addresses of persons licensed to carry and/or possess the same to any person, firm, corporation, entity or agency except criminal justice agencies as defined in chapter six and except to the extent such information relates solely to the person making the request and is necessary to the official interests of the entity making the request.

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patentmike
September 10, 2004, 05:57 AM
There was a similar thread about a month ago.
I sent a letter to the Massachusetts Game Commissioner asking for records of kerry's hunting license(s) and have received no response. I'm not sure I have standing to sue, since I don't live in MA.

Of course, the Massachusets members of the board are probably converging on the Game Commissioner's office in Boston right now because they are not girlie men who spout "molon labe" and do nothing but imagine their heroics on doomsday.

bfieldburt
September 10, 2004, 03:58 PM
This is a great idea! Someone with some clout needs to try and see if Kerry even has a hunting license. Who could we sent this idea to? Somone with some high connection in the NRA or the RNC should get ahold of them and see if this can be accomplished. Again, this NEEDS to happen. Anyone with some clout on this board that could make some phone calls? Let us know.

atk
September 10, 2004, 04:54 PM
patentmike,


While I would like to flood the state house, and I would like to open a lawsuit, tending to my job precludes my traveling to the statehouse on a whim, and I'm not funded like the MMM and such, and so cannot afford the lawsuit.

Instead, I've emailed GOAL for advice about confirming or refuting Kerry's FID/LTC. We shall see what GOAL has to say, and what can be afforded.

--
atk

aguyindallas
September 10, 2004, 05:06 PM
I would try to get the local Fox News people to look into this quickly. They seem to be one of the only remotely close to right wing media outlets. They may be able to do some sort of expose` about all of this and find something. Its not likely that the gov't will hide anything so simple and direct from them. Its not like it is a matter of national or personal security since these appear to be public record.

Just a thought.

sendec
September 10, 2004, 05:55 PM
Why bother?

Are you campaigning against Kerry or for Bush? Will his record stand the same scrutiny?

jefnvk
September 10, 2004, 11:54 PM
Do you need a license in Iowa to hunt on a game farm? (was it Iowa?)

patentmike
September 11, 2004, 02:05 PM
Kerry says he hunts deer crawling around on his belly with a 12 ga. double. He also says he's pro 2nd amendment when his voting record is given a 100% by the Brady group. The liberal media could easily check the facts, but they would rather not. We can. He claims to have been an avid hunter since his teens. Fine, show me the records.

We can all send them a request, maybe they'll see it won't go away if they ignore it. Maybe they have to respond from someone from MA. If someone lives in MA, you could also request records on somebody else you know in a separate letter and see if it gets handled differently. Heres a copy of the letter I sent a month ago (no response):

Commissioner David Peters
Department of Fish and Game
251 Causeway St., Suite 400
Boston, MA 02114

Re: Public Records Act Request
Hunting Licenses for John Forbes Kerry

Dear Mr. Peters,

I would like to request copies of any documentation reflecting hunting licenses issued to Senator John Forbes Kerry. Enclosed please find a check for ten dollars ($10.00) to cover copying costs. Please refund the difference if this is excessive. I have also enclosed a self-addressed-stamped envelope for your convenience. Feel free to give me a call if there are additional fees or if you require any additional information from me.

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