[ShootAndHunt]

Finally we will see the beautiful sunset of the 10-year-old AWB, but I am a little confused, does the AWB sunset at 12:am on Sep. 13th or 14th? I got different answer from different guys.:confused

Please tell us the exact date and time of the AWB sunset! We want to remember a glorified victory day without mistake.:D We also don't want to be caught by the anti-gun nuts when we are celebrating simply because we do it one day early!:neener:

Is there still any probability in theory that the congress still have time to renew the AWB before it sunsets? We know the Congress will resume work on Monday, Sep. 13th.

[Graystar]

Sept 13th, 11:59:59 pm is the last second of the ban. On Sept 14th, 12:00:00 am the ban no longer exist.

In theory, Congress can extend the ban on the 13th. They can also pass a new ban on the 14th. They can do anything...in theory.

[dustind]

It dies the first second of the 13th. It is repealed, it does not expire.

[Bubbles]

When you wake up Monday morning it will be history.

I usually hate Mondays, but in this case I'll make an exception. :D

[Ellery Holt]

Graystar Wrote:
Sept 13th, 11:59:59 pm is the last second of the ban. On Sept 14th, 12:00:00 am the ban no longer exist.

In theory, Congress can extend the ban on the 13th. They can also pass a new ban on the 14th. They can do anything...in theory.

Oops. Brother Graystar meant to write Sept 12th 11:59:59 is the last second of the ban. On Sept 13, 12:00:00 am the ban no longer exists. He forgot that midnight is the word that means the first second of the day -- not the last.

Also brother Graystar didn't mean to write that Congress can do anything, especially in theory. Perhaps in practice they bend and break rules, but 'can do anything' -- no, sorry.

[Foreign Devil]

So what happens if at 12:01 EST when the ban has died on the East Coast you take a gun you have modified with the evil features across to an area using central time?

Let's ask the ATF just for the hell of it.

[Coronach]

:D

[Graystar]

Oops. Brother Graystar meant to write Sept 12th 11:59:59 is the last second of the ban. On Sept 13, 12:00:00 am the ban no longer exists. He forgot that midnight is the word that means the first second of the day -- not the last. No that's not what I meant. I simply had the date of enactment wrong. I though the law was enacted on the 14th but it wasn’t...it was enacted on the 13th. So yes, Sept 12th 11:59:59 is the last second of the ban and on Sept 13, 12:00:00 am the ban no longer exists.

Also brother Graystar didn't mean to write that Congress can do anything, especially in theory. Perhaps in practice they bend and break rules, but 'can do anything' -- no, sorry. Don’t say what I mean. Only I know what I mean. Congress can do whatever they want. Whether they get away with it is another story. And seeing as how we now have laws that violate not only the 2nd amendment but the 1st and 4th, they’re doing a pretty good job of getting away with it.

[VaniB.]

The NRA news website makes mention that it will end Monday at Midnight.
In other words, it dies at the beginning of Tuesday.

This makes sense, as most of us folks who have been following the legislative calandar for weeks now have been discussing how congress had only 4 days of this labor day week, and the following Monday (the 13th) to extend the ban. (including Monday)

So, set your alarm clock for the 14th, and take a long nap so you can wake up Tuesday all refreshed, not having to discuss "When does it end?" here and in the other forums any longer.

[Geech]

Remember, midnight is twelve AM. If it ends on midnight Monday, it doesn't end at the end of the day, it ends at the beginning.

[lycanthrope]

Countdown for all you people who need to slap your flash suppressor on before dawn.

www.awbansunset.com

[Bubbles]

There is a lot of confusion because Brady/MMM is claiming that the ban expires Monday-Tuesday, and it won't be too late on Monday for Congress to act if their few members push hard enough. The liberal media, of course, is repeating that statement without checking the facts.

Or, maybe they're all just stupid enough that they can't read the law and figure out what it really means. :D

[buy guns]

so is anyone going to do anything to celebrate the sunset? i would love to go to the range but we will be in the middle of a hurricane.

[manwithoutahome]

I don't know if it's Monday or Tuesday but it doesn't matter around here, the stores won't sell anything until Tuesday and some are even kind of hinting that they won't sell until they get something from the ATFE.

I know some sites are taking pre-orders but most of them won't ship until Tuesday.

I'm thinking that it's Monday at 0001AM and not PM monday night.

Who knows, all I know is that something will happen Monday when the House and Senate are back. I don't know what but I just feel it.

Wayne

[Dave Markowitz]

It dies the first second of the 13th. It is repealed, it does not expire.

Correct time. However, it DOES expire as per its terms when enacted in 1994. It was not repealed, which would have required that the House and Senate pass a bill repealing it, which would then have to be signed into law by the president.

[Graystar]

SEC. 110105. EFFECTIVE DATE.
This subtitle and the amendments made by this subtitle--
(1) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this
Act; and
(2) are repealed effective as of the date that is 10 years
after that date.The wording used is "repealed".

[Saluki]

It is no longer in existence in 27hrs 39 minutes

[Ironbarr]

Graystar - what was the effective date? 12th, 13th? Either way the date would not pass to the next day until midnight of the effective date plus 10 years. Yes, it'd pass at 1159PM+61 seconds.

I see that the www.awbansunset.com countdown clock now reads "0".

-Andy

[Graystar]

Graystar - what was the effective date? 12th, 13th? The date of enactment was September 13th 1994. That was the first day that the law was in effect.

One year is 365 days (366 on a leap year.) 365 days from any day (counting said day as day 1) brings you to the day before that day. For example, 365 days from January 1st is December 31st. Since the ban is repealed 10 years after enactment, the last day the ban is in effect is September 12, 2004.

The reason I was initially wrong was because I was going by New York State law, which, I now realize, has it wrong. The NYS assault weapons ban grandfathers weapons built on Sept 13th, 1994 (actual wording is “prior to September fourteenth, 1994.”) However, it’s clear from the section I posted above that the law took effect *on* the date of enactment...and that date was Sept 13th 1994.

[TarpleyG]

I reckon I'll just wait 'til Wednesday just to be sure. You guys are confusing me.

Greg

[Ironbarr]

So... for all technical purpose, shops could begin selling goodies at one minute after Midnight tonight (Sunday night/Monday morning). Is this correct?

And I now agree with Graystar. Sleeping tonight (Sunday) will allow me to arise to a benchmark new day in recognition of Freedom. I can buy those Leo mags Monday, huh?

-Andy

[CZ 75 BD]

and others, 12:00 o'clock is neither am nor pm. It is either noon or midnight. It is in fact the meridiem in ante meridiem (am) and post meridiem (pm) One of my pet peeves.



:)

[buy guns]

I see that the www.awbansunset.com countdown clock now reads "0".


yes but you are looking at the day counter. in the top right corner is an hour:minute:second counter.

[ckyllo]

open this link in a new window and let it run in the background

http://www.mikecaswell.com/AWBcountdown.swf

gonna let mine run in the background all day

[Ironbarr]

Re my last - Is this correct?
-.-

[Graystar]

So... for all technical purpose, shops could begin selling goodies at one minute after Midnight tonight (Sunday night/Monday morning). Is this correct?That’s what I think.

12:00 o'clock is neither am nor pm. Where did you get this information? I’m a computer programmer, and in programming one 12:00 o’clock belongs to the am and the other belongs to the pm.

Time keeping is a very serious subject in computer programming. So if you have some other information as to how 12:00 should be handled I’d like to know.

[Beren]

Ugh, this thread has left my head spinning.

I'll just wait until NEXT Monday, how's that?

:evil:

[Duke of Lawnchair]

Does the ban sunset according to Eastern Standard Time or does it sunset respective to your time zone?

Jim

[countertop]

It sunsets at midnight tonite, EST. The bill was signed on the 13th of september 1994 by Bill Clinton in Washington, D.C.

As so as it becomes the 13th of September 2004 in Washington, D.C. the ban is no longer in effect

[medic_guns]

There is no vote scheduled for Monday anyway

[Ironbarr]

Be suspicious!

[deanf]

Maybe we could just agree to use military time? You know, midnight being 00:00:00 and noon being 12:00:00?

As to the ante meridian/post meridian thing: There is some question in my mind whether "meridian" really exists. The heavens do not stop their rotation such that there is a time that is neither am nor pm. The clock is always moving. We just don't normally write it with such accuracy.

[dustind]

Duke of Lawnchair: I asked the same question a month ago on www.AWBanSunset.com and no one knew the asnwer.

[Ironbarr]

Do I "celebrate" tonight (Sunday) when the second hand passes 12 and becomes Monday ????

(This should clear it up once and for all), but then, countertop cited Eastern Standard Time - we are still on EDT. [More crap in the game...] does this mean it's actually - Oh NO! - 11:01 PM (2301)??

:what: !??!

-Andy

PS - I still haven't had an answer and it's now 9:23PM (2123) and counting. When shall I toast the "New - New Year?????)

[Wildalaska]

I had some numbnuts in one of the shall I say crappier gunshops tell me that:

The ban expires Tuesday and

The ATF hasnt decided what rules they will have about marked mags...

I said "whatever" and walked out...

This place by the way had a SIG 226 for $1000

WildbwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaAlaska

[CZ 75 BD]

Of course, as others have said, 24 hour time will remove any ambiguity. If you say 12 noon is am and I believe 12 noon is pm, something will go wrong eventually.


From the NIST National Institute of Standards and Technology-

Time Questions and Answers from NIST
Are noon and midnight 12 a.m. or 12 p.m.?

This is perhaps the trickiest time question of them all. The best answer is that the terms 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. cause confusion and should not be used.

To illustrate this, consider that "a.m." and "p.m." are abbreviations for "ante meridiem" and "post meridiem." They mean "before noon" and "after noon," respectively. Of course, noon is neither before nor after noon; it is simply noon. Therefore, neither the "a.m." nor "p.m." designation is correct. On the other hand, midnight is both 12 hours before noon and 12 hours after noon. Therefore, either 12 a.m. or 12 p.m. could work as a designation for midnight, but both would be ambiguous.

To get around the problem, the terms 12 noon and 12 midnight should be used instead of 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. For example, a bank might be open on Saturday from 8 a.m. to noon. Or, a grocery store might be open daily until midnight. If you are making schedules, times such as 12:01 a.m. (one minute after midnight), or 11:59 p.m. (one minute before midnight) also can eliminate ambiguity. This method is used by the railroads and airlines.



:)http://physics.nist.gov/News/Releases/releases.html

[Clean97GTI]

This thread is really funny!

The anti's are up in arms and lamenting the death of the law...all we are doing is debating semantics of which 12:00 o'clock the law refers to.
:D I love being pro-gun!

[Beren]

The Sacromento Bee says....

"After the ban on manufacturing and sale of the military-style guns expires at 12:01 a.m. Monday, Armalite's 75 workers will shift assembly lines to begin assembling and shipping assault weapons as fast as they can."

http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/10717756p-11636235c.html

I'll go with the liberal paper's interpretation. :)

[Brass]

1 minutes to go!!

[Ironbarr]

GONE

[Brass]

lets call that history.. at least for now :)

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Gone, baby gone!

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/saw-factsheet.htm