Sarah Brady on cnn @ 3:30


September 10, 2004, 11:51 AM
Sarah Brady has "words for the white house" concerning the expiration of the AWB,today at 3:30 on CNN.Should be humorus.


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September 10, 2004, 12:04 PM
As we all know, CNN is the "Communist News Network". They won't have anyone to counter her or, if they do, they won't let that person talk. Also, Sarah Brady (the lying propagandist) will, of course, hit all of the leftist talking points...."these evil guns will 'flood the streets'"......"the sunset will make it easier for terrorists to get us..."......"ak-47s and they use in wars will be kill children". Etc...etc.... Anyone who takes Sarah Brady seriously is severely mentally challenged. There is one point to watching. It's informative to see how these people try to manipulate the population. It's then fun to devise your own short, to-the-point talking points to counter their b.s. It's good practice for whenever you get a chance to talk for our side. CNN @ 3:30. I'm giddy with anticipation.

September 10, 2004, 01:17 PM
You know, this could seriously be some sort of drinking game.

"The Anti-Gun Propagandist Drinking Game"

Anytime any of the following terms or phrases are used, take a drink:

3)'flood the streets'
4)'for the children'
9)'weapon of war'

Any time any of the following are used, take two drinks:

1)AK47's and UZI's
2)'cops outgunned'

If the following phrase is used, finish your drink:

AK47's and UZI's flooding the street

Actually, on second thought, don't play this drinking game. It's a surefire recipe for alcohol poisoning...


September 10, 2004, 01:34 PM
If Sarah comes on at exactly 3:30PM, by 3:35PM we would probably all be pretty well on the way to 'falling down drunk". . . .

Navy joe
September 10, 2004, 01:46 PM
Not a fun game, not survivable even.

September 10, 2004, 01:54 PM
1. I doubt that anyone could keep up. after 4 drinks I would be atleast 20 behind and loose track.

2. I am not sure that I could hold my drink while watching . The urge to vomit or scream "thats a crock of lies!" would take over.

3. Alot of us would choke to death due to the absurdness of it all.

Andrew Rothman
September 10, 2004, 02:02 PM
Just so ya know, that's 3:30 ET, 2:30 CT, 1:30 MT and 12:30 PT. control advocate Sarah Brady joins Judy to talk about the assault weapons ban, which is set to expire Monday. Tune in at 3:30 p.m. ET for "Judy Woodruff's Inside Politics" -- the place for campaign news

Anyway, I'll be at the range this afternoon. I'll record it, but look forward to getting around to watching it on the 14th. :D

[edit: spelling]

September 10, 2004, 02:07 PM
Think they will allow calls from viewers?

I really don't know if I could help myself from doing the "hi Janet, an idiot says what?"

September 10, 2004, 02:43 PM
They won't have anyone to counter her or, if they do, they won't let that person talk. As far as I know, Sara Brady doesn't do actual debates any more . . . not since the NRA and other pro-RKBA organizations wised up and started sending women up against her . . . that way she can't use the "poor woman with wounded husband being abused by unsympathetic macho men" tactic.

Someone like Suzanna Hupp would really make Sara look bad . . . in more ways than one.

El Tejon
September 10, 2004, 02:46 PM
Justin, you Purdue grads are just too well-conditioned for the rest of us!:D

September 10, 2004, 03:14 PM
Matt has the right idea.Do a little shooting and then watch.:D


September 10, 2004, 03:38 PM
nevermind delete

September 10, 2004, 03:51 PM
:banghead: :cuss: :fire: I can't believe I even changed the channel to CNN... must change channel... must resist urge to shoot tv... must hold my precious 'assault weapons' to lower my blood pressure... :neener:


edit: Thank God someone (Wayne LaPeirre) with sense came on after brady... but woman interviewing him is slightly counteracting the lowing of my blood pressure... god damn her ignorance!

September 10, 2004, 03:51 PM
Just watch the little sara brady blurbs and the woman could hardly speak, it was as if she was having to think extra hard for hard hitting adjectives to link in with the buzz words.

She reminded me of a kid who was sitting there lying to his parents and getting nervous because the kid's story was so piss poor that he knew nobody would fall for it.

September 10, 2004, 03:52 PM
I won't be able to watch this. Someone please post a report. It should be on right now...or is just getting over.

September 10, 2004, 04:03 PM

i like how wayne pointed out kerry and the winchester 1187 shotgun
and that CNN pointed out last may that the banned and non-banned are functually identical.

September 10, 2004, 04:07 PM
winchester 1187 shotgun

Errr, that's Remington 11-87... :uhoh:

September 10, 2004, 04:11 PM
thanks, i'm not a shotgun guy
I did notice that they had footage of some guy with an AK, 30-round mag, firing spastically. just some completely irrelevant scarey looking footage for the sheeple.

September 10, 2004, 04:16 PM
Hey someone else help me out here, i think CNN purged the May Segment from it's online records. The reporter was john zarella, i can't find it at all.

scarey orwell style.

September 10, 2004, 04:44 PM

September 10, 2004, 04:50 PM
Mrs. Brady should be proud...or worried. The Fox News Channel has been talking about Monday's expiration of "The Brady Bill" all day. Bill O'rielly will probably be warning of Bazookas and flame throwers on the streets tonight. It's sad to think that FOX is the CONSERVATIVE news channel.

September 10, 2004, 05:03 PM
Man, that lady said that if the law sunsets, terrorists, criminals, and other felons will be able to buy assault rifles. I wish Wayne had stated a few more times that IT IS ALREADY ILLEGAL FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO BUY GUNS!!!!!!! Any gun. Making certain ones double-secret-probation illegal will not do a damn thing.


September 10, 2004, 05:25 PM
I saw it and it proves one thing: Sarah Brady and Judy Woodruff are both NATURAL BLONDES!

September 10, 2004, 08:38 PM
:D :D :D


September 10, 2004, 09:02 PM


Ammunition for Kerry?; Interviews With Sarah Brady, Wayne LaPierre, Elijah Cummings, Ken Blackwell; Sensational Biography about Bush Family by Controversial Author Kitty Kelley Hits Stands Monday

Aired September 10, 2004 - 15:30 ET


ANNOUNCER: A new twist in the flap over the president's military service. Were documents critical of Bush forged?

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That's "W." That's wrong, wrong choice...

ANNOUNCER: John Kerry takes a shot at Bush on an issue the Democrat had been pretty mum about until today.

The assault weapons ban on the verge of extinction. And gun control activist Sarah Brady is fighting mad.

SARAH BRADY, GUN CONTROL ACTIVIST: It's politics. Right now, they're playing right down to the wire with public safety.



JUDY WOODRUFF, HOST: Thank you for joining us.

Some senior Democrats today continuing to pounce on questions about President Bush's military service almost three decades ago. DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe held a news conference to accuse Bush of lapses in credibility and character. McAuliffe rejected the president's assertions that he fulfilled his National Guard obligations and that he did not get preferential treatment to avoid going to Vietnam.


TERRY MCAULIFFE, DNC CHAIRMAN: The only way George Bush can put behind him these issues is for the president of the United States to address the American public straight on and answer the questions.

Mr. President, why did you lie to the American people? Why did you tell us that you received no special treatment? Why did you say that you had served honorably in the Air National Guard? Why did you lie to the American public?

(END VIDEO CLIP) WOODRUFF: The Bush camp fired back, while again trying to turn the tables on the Democrats. Aboard Air Force One, White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters, "The president met his obligations and was honorably discharged." He went on to say -- quoting again -- "There is an orchestrated effort by Democrats and the Kerry campaign to tear down the president because of the direction the polls are moving." The Kerry camp says that is not true."

Well, new information has come to light in recent days about Bush's military record from news media reports and from officials who have come forward to tell their stories. But today, there are serious questions about the authenticity of some newly-disclosed documents.

As first reported by CBS News, the memos appear to show that Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Texas Air National Guard pilot in the early '70s. A report today by "The Washington Post" suggests the memos may have been forged based on analysis by document experts.


MICHAEL DOBBS, "WASHINGTON POST" Experts are saying they appear to have been generated by a computer or a word processor, rather than the typewriters which were widely in use by President Bush's National Guard unit in Texas in 1972, 1973. And there are a number of reasons, including the use of proportionate spacing, on these documents that lead the experts to conclude that.


WOODRUFF: CBS News anchor Dan Rather says the network stands by its "60 Minutes" report.


DAN RATHER, CBS NEWS: I believe -- I know that this story is true. I believe that the witnesses and the documents are authentic or we wouldn't have gone to air if they had not been.


WOODRUFF: Both the Bush and the Kerry campaigns have so far stayed out of this dispute over the documents and their authenticity. And on the trail, both candidates are keeping quiet about the National Guard flap all together.

Well, the president is in Ohio this hour on a campaign bus trip that is taking him through Chillicothe, Portsmouth and nearby Huntington, West Virginia. Along the way, Bush again criticized John Kerry's stands in the war on Iraq. He also played up the prescription drug bill for seniors that he signed into law.


GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Beginning in 2005, there's going to be preventative screenings for the first time in Medicare. If you sign up for Medicare, you're going to get a free check-up. And the reason why that's important is you solve problems early before it's too late. Secondly, in 2006, you've got prescription drugs coming your way if you're a senior.


WOODRUFF: We'll have a full report from the campaign trail on Bush's day later on INSIDE POLITICS.

Health care also was a major theme for John Kerry today, again, along with the timely and politically-charged topic of assault weapons. CNN's Ed Henry has more on what Kerry said and what he tried not to say.


ED HENRY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At a town hall meeting in the battleground state of Missouri, John Kerry once again refused to comment on President Bush's National Guard service.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What right Bush has to attack a veteran, which I was in World War II, and he wasn't even in the service, that's a lot of bull.

KERRY: Well, there's an unbiased question.

HENRY: But Kerry expanded his attack onto the president's domestic agenda, slamming Mr. Bush for saying he supports the assault weapons ban but will let it expire Monday.

KERRY: Never pushed the Congress to pass it, never stood up, caves in to the NRA, gives in to the special interests, and America's streets will not be as safe because of the choice that George Bush is making.

HENRY: The senator charged that the Bush administration is scaring Americans about the war on terror but will now make it easier for terrorists to get their hands on weapons.

KERRY: In the al Qaeda manual on terror, they were telling people to go out and buy assault weapons, to come to America and buy assault weapons. And you can't fight a war on terror and you can't make our streets safe, which every enforcement officer in this nation knows.

HENRY: Some Democrats think it's a mistake for Kerry to get involved in a debate about guns since the issue hurt Al Gore in swing states. But Kerry was in West Virginia this week touting the fact he's a hunter. And Kerry aides say the assault weapons ban is popular, especially with suburban women.

At the town hall meeting with seniors, Kerry also charged that the president's new Medicare law has helped HMOs and insurance companies, but left seniors with a 17 percent hike in premiums. The Bush camp is firing back with an ad entitled "Medicare Hypocrisy," charging Kerry has voted to increase Medicare premiums five times.


HENRY: John Kerry will continue to hit the president over the assault weapons ban at a rally Monday with law enforcement officers. Despite the political risk, Kerry aides believe that this will help them in the suburbs of key states, like right here in Missouri. And they need help.

The latest CNN poll shows that in the Show-Me State, Kerry is trailing by 14 points. That has led Republicans to suggest that Kerry is going to wind up pulling resources out of this state. But I can tell you that Kerry aides insist to CNN they have no plans to drop out of Missouri, they're going to stay in this battleground state -- Judy.

WOODRUFF: All right. Ed Henry, thanks very much.

And now checking the Friday headlines in our "Campaign News Daily," Vice President Dick Cheney is explaining some controversial remarks he made earlier this week when he seemed to say the election of John Kerry would make a terror attack against the U.S. more likely. In an interview published in today's "Cincinnati Inquirer," Cheney says, "Whoever is elected president has to anticipate more attacks. My point was, the question before us is, will we have the most effective policy in place to deal with that threat?" "George Bush," he said, "will pursue a more effective policy than John Kerry."

The CNN political unit has released its latest electoral map. And at this point in the race, our analysis finds George W. Bush has added to his lead.

Based on state polls and interviews with campaign aides and analysts, CNN has added New Mexico to the Bush column, giving him 299 -- 289 electoral votes to John Kerry's 249 -- 270 are needed to win the White House. CNN political editor, John Mercurio, notes that, while the trends have moved in Bush's favor since the GOP convention, a slight shift in a few states could tilt the balance in Kerry's favor.


JOHN MERCURIO, CNN POLITICAL EDITOR: First of all, Bush is still enjoying something of a post-convention bounce. Even his own aides admit that.

The second thing is that the race remains extremely close. If John Kerry were to pick up support in a state like Florida, he would surge into the lead. And if he were to beat Bush -- or lead Bush in Ohio, the race would actually be tied in the electoral college.


WOODRUFF: Of course we know a great deal can happen between now and November. We will be updating our electoral map each week until Election Day. The clock is ticking toward the expiration of the assault weapons ban, as you've heard. Up next, gun control advocate Sarah Brady points a finger squarely at President Bush. And the NRA's Wayne LaPierre will represent the other side of the debate.

And later, John Kerry's biblical appeal to African-Americans voters. We'll see how it played to two black officials, one Democrat and one Republican.

Plus, the growing buzz about a sensational new book about the Bush family.

With 53 days until the election, this is INSIDE POLITICS, the place for campaign news.


WOODRUFF: More now on the fierce debate over the assault weapons ban, which is due to expire Monday. A gun control group is stepping up pressure on President Bush and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill to save the measure.

The group is running a full-page ad again today in "The New York Times" and "The Washington Post." This one shows Osama bin Laden holding a rifle under the banner "Terrorists of 9/11 can hardly wait for 9/13." The ad is sponsored by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Republican leaders say there are no plans to vote on the ban before it expires on Monday, September 13.

Well, earlier, I spoke with Sarah Brady of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. She is the wife of Jim Brady, the former press secretary for President Ronald Reagan, who was wounded in the assassination attempt of Reagan in 1981. She said that she thinks that she does have -- that there are the votes to extend the ban. I began by asking her if that's the case, why is it so hard to get it done?


BRADY: Well, there are two big reasons. One is the president of the United States, George Bush.

He has said he'll sign it. But without his leadership, the leadership in the House and Senate have said they will not bring it up. They will bring it up only if he asks for it. And he says he will ask for it only if they tell him they want it.

WOODRUFF: So what's going on here?

BRADY: It's politics. It's -- and right now, they're playing right down to the wire with the public safety.

A few days from now, we're going to have assault weapons and large capacity magazines back on the street. When terrorism is everybody's greatest concern, we're going to be arming terrorists right here in the United States with large capacity magazines and -- and UZIs and military-style assault weapons.

WOODRUFF: There's a report in "The Washington Post" this week about the number of orders that are -- that are (UNINTELLIGIBLE) for these kinds of weapons. Sarah Brady, the White House says President Bush has made is position very clear. They say his position is well known. So why isn't that enough?

BRADY: It's not enough because, without his leadership, it's not going to be brought up. As my husband says, he knows the speaker's telephone number. When he wants something, he gets it. He can make the calls up there and say, "I want this passed, I want this on my desk."

The onus is on him. And if he doesn't take advantage of this situation in the next couple of days, talk about flip-flop, you can't just turn on one hand and say I'd sign it and I'm for it, and to do absolutely nothing, nothing to make sure it is passed.

WOODRUFF: The National Rifle Association, Wayne LaPierre, says there's no clear evidence that this assault weapons ban has had anything to do with a reduction in crime.

BRADY: Of course that's -- that's what they would say. And it's baloney.

In the first place, crime with assault weapons has gone down 66 percent since the assault weapon ban was passed. We no longer see gangland killings on the streets with UZIs and AK-47's, which were rampant. Kids were sleeping in bathtubs in the Bronx because they were afraid of the spray fire on the streets.

There are still assault weapons out there that were grandfathered in. But next week, hundreds of thousands of them could be sold to fugitives, felons, mentally unstable people, terrorists. And the really scary thing this is large capacity magazines. We're going to have terrorism right here in this country, and our own city streets if something isn't done about this.

WOODRUFF: Do you get frustrated about this? This is an issue you and your husband, Jim, have been working on for so long.

BRADY: Yes. It's especially frustrating to think everybody worked so hard, the law enforcement community, a wonderful bipartisan effort. Every president, except for George W. Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush, campaigned for it.

That went back to Gerald Ford, Carter, Clinton. Reagan worked for this. And to think we're going to take a step backwards and put our law enforcement people and our kids, everybody at risk again, it's unbelievable.


WOODRUFF: And one other point, Sarah Brady says that her group has made appeals to the White House but has received no response. Today, the White House officially refused to meet with law enforcement officials about the ban.

Coming up next, we will hear the other side of the assault weapons ban debate from Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the National Rifles Association.

Stay with us.


WOODRUFF: Continuing now our discussion on the assault weapons ban which is set to expire on Monday, we just heard from a supporter of the ban, Sarah Brady, of the Brady Campaign to Stop Gun Violence. We did ask the White House to provide a guest to respond to Brady, but they declined to do so.

Joining me now with his take on the ban, Wayne LaPierre, who is the executive vice president and CEO of the National Rifle Association.

Thank you for being here.

WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VP, CEO, NRA: Good to be with you, Judy.

WOODRUFF: We appreciate it.

It's not just Jim and Sarah Brady, Wayne LaPierre. It is law enforcement officials who are arguing -- and I'm going to read this quote -- "Fugitives, felons, mentally unstable people, even terrorists who they say are now going to be able to buy these large capacity guns."

LAPIERRE: Well, all those people are prohibited from buying any gun at all. But here's what the American public that doesn't understand guns needs to understand.

When this thing sunsets on Monday, which it will sunset, on Tuesday, there will not be one gun available that is a machinegun, that is readily or easily convertible to a machinegun, that has characteristics like more powerful, rapid firepower, sprays bullets. All these terminologies being used to confuse people are simply not true.

The only difference between the guns that will be available after Tuesday and not available before under this bill which will sunset, is you'll be able to put more than two cosmetic accessories on a gun. And cosmetic accessories have absolutely nothing to do with how a gun shoots.

WOODRUFF: Well, let me ask you about a report today. I read, "Gun manufacturers," the newspaper says, "are gearing up for this change in the law. The Berretta USA Corporation offering two free large-volume magazines with the purchase of certain guns, the Taurus Corporation making plans to begin manufacturing ammunition magazines that hold up to 17 rounds. What are these guns used for? They're not for... LAPIERRE: Well, the magazine ban will expire. But, you know, when I hear magazine bans, it's just nonsense.

There are hundreds of thousands of magazines out there that were grandfathered. All it is a piece of sheet metal.

Anybody who knows guns knows that you can change a 10-round magazine in that fast. So I know it's an issue that kind of confuses people, but I don't think it means anything in the real world. But, yes, the magazine ban will expire.

WOODRUFF: So the University of Pennsylvania has done a study. I'm sure you're familiar with it. Among other things, they concluded there may be a flood, what they call a flood of these assault weapons being sold in undocumented second-hand markets. In other words, markets where they say people who want to, you know, break the law, criminals and others, can use them.

LAPIERRE: It's nonsense. In fact, CNN has absolutely the best story that I've seen on it. It was run last May, on a Monday, where CNN took reporters -- well, reporters were at the range with police officers from Florida, and police officers looked at the guns under this '94 ban, as opposed to guns that are still available, and showed on CNN's story that there is zero difference in the performance capability, that none of them are machineguns, they're not convertibleable to machineguns, they don't fire rapid.

We have 7,800 law enforcement instructors at the NRA. I challenge anybody to prove at the range these ridiculous descriptions, like rapid fire, mow (ph) down people. Machineguns are all under the 1934 machinegun laws.

WOODRUFF: Then what are these large-capacity guns used for?

LAPIERRE: Large-capacity magazines are just large-capacity magazines. But they don't affect the shooting power of the gun.

The fact is, all the guns that are on this '94 ban are no different than guns that are available now. Rifles, shotguns, handguns that are available now, none of these guns under the '94 ban are any more powerful than rifles, shotguns and handguns that exist right now.

In fact, when John Kerry held up that Remington 1187 in West Virginia, he probably doesn't realize it, but his bill, the Lautenberg bill, that he is a co-sponsor of, would ban the very gun he proudly held up and said he was a hunter.

I mean, so much of this is cosmetic nonsense. All you're talking about are bayonet logs and handles on a gun. You're not talking about the way the gun shoots.

WOODRUFF: And these magazines that we mentioned.

LAPIERRE: And the magazine ban would expire, that's correct. WOODRUFF: We're going to leave it there. Wayne LaPierre, a forceful advocate for the National Rifle Association. We appreciate you coming. Thanks for coming by.

LAPIERRE: Thanks, Judy. Good to be with you. Thank you.

WOODRUFF: Thank you.

September 10, 2004, 09:12 PM
I don't know about drinking games, but I think it would be cool to put their catchwords into a random rant letter to the editor generator, along with such phrases as "the voices", "Zionist conspiracy", "mind control network", "right wing sabatours" and the like. Too bad you couldn't add a random list of known lefty wing nuts for the signature block. :rolleyes:

September 11, 2004, 12:09 AM
Reading that transcript, did anyone else get the feeling that the anchor was leading Brady along, almost being helpful with their interjections, and yet seeming to argue points with LaPierre? And the magazines? How many times do you have to bring up the magazines?

September 11, 2004, 12:20 AM
Here's the video of the interview:

Sarah Brady - Count the Fallacies ( (18MB, Windows Media 9)

Thanks to chevrofreak for the hosting, and Justin for the "inspiration" for my edits. :D

September 11, 2004, 02:15 AM

That was fantastic!


September 11, 2004, 02:33 PM
And the magazines? How many times do you have to bring up the magazines?
That's because he never answered the original question,
WOODRUFF: Then what are these large-capacity guns used for?
I believe he didn't answer it because in the 10 seconds he's given to answer a question, there is no way he could deliver a complete and intelligent answer that would not be walked all over, misinterpreted, or unfairly edited. So he acknowledged they would be legal, but never gave them an answer regarding why he supports them being legal - and they don't have anything to twist when he's off camera after the next commercial. He's in a real tough position to be in, since he's going to be the most quoted pro-gun person on the planet, most likely.

Think about it, how would you answer the question "why do you need high (re: full) capacity magazines?" -- in such a way that you would not sound like a paranoid armchair commando to the mainstream mindless "I seen it on TV so it must be true" masses.

September 11, 2004, 04:58 PM
There are hundreds of thousands of magazines out there that were grandfathered. All it is a piece of sheet metal. Anybody who knows guns knows that you can change a 10-round magazine in that fast. So I know it's an issue that kind of confuses people, but I don't think it means anything in the real world.

He did answer the question, just not to the reporter's satisfaction. He told her that there were already a massive quantity of full-cap magazines already in circulation, and limiting mags to ten rounds doesn't reduce a gun's lethality much since you can change mags so quickly anyway.

I agree that he was in a difficult position, the reporter kept asking him the typical anti "Well why do you need this?" over and over while treating Brady with kid gloves. I don't think there was anything he could have told her short of "You're right, we really don't need these" that would have backed her off.

El Tejon
September 11, 2004, 05:13 PM
Ummm, I don't know.:D

El Tejon response: "Well, gee, why do people NEED CNN; there's always Fox News? The Bill of Right is not based on needs, numbnuts."

September 11, 2004, 06:34 PM
Well, gee, why do people NEED CNN; there's always Fox News? The Bill of Right is not based on needs, numbnuts. There's a signature in there somewhere.

Don Gwinn
September 12, 2004, 12:39 AM
Judy Woodruff would go crazy if you called her "Numbnuts." It was her nickname in journalism school and she didn't like it then, either.

September 12, 2004, 12:46 AM
Her nickname was Numbnuts? Ha! There has to be a story there!

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