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Matt Sutton
September 10, 2004, 05:12 PM
One of my local gunshops is preselling "ban free" rifles and magazines.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/ban_free.html

Too bad they are asking for more for many items than you'd pay today buying preban. That's the end of my dealings with them. Gougers and opportunists are just as bad as the gun banners in my book. Shame on them for tainting the end to 10 long years of injustice!

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Justin
September 10, 2004, 05:52 PM
People will pay what the market will bear. If you don't like the prices, don't buy from them.

jsalcedo
September 10, 2004, 06:09 PM
I agree with both Matt and Justin.

Some vendors tend to gouge consumers for a short term gain. To me this lacks class and is not sound business.

Like the folks who ramped up their gas prices to $5 per gallon on 9/11/01

But then again consumers will be the ultimate authority on what the value of these items are.

I think some will scramble and buy now due to the fear of another ban right around the corner.

El Tejon
September 10, 2004, 07:42 PM
Ummm, just how does this fall within the definition of "gouging"?:rolleyes:

Is this the only gun shoppe in Utah or something?:confused:

Matt Sutton
September 10, 2004, 07:58 PM
The store in question charges $18.99 for Glock mags elsewhere on their site. I can't think of any reason normal capacity magazines should cost $29.99. Weren't prices inflated enough after the ban was passed? :confused:
They are not the only gun store in Utah, but they are the first locally to announce pricing and availlability of previously banned goods.

Edmond
September 10, 2004, 08:10 PM
Some vendors tend to gouge consumers for a short term gain. To me this lacks class and is not sound business.

I definitely agree. I also think that it will give them a short term gain at a long term expense. Gun owners aren't the type to just forget about something like that.:D

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
September 10, 2004, 08:34 PM
I'm going to wait for the Ice Cream Truck of Death to get to my neighborhood and get mine then, thanks.

Fresher that way. :D

Regards,
Rabbit.

Erik Jensen
September 10, 2004, 08:39 PM
I'm going to wait for the Ice Cream Truck of Death to get to my neighborhood and get mine then, thanks.

Heck, I live in Detroit. if you listen to the local media, my street will be flooded with assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. I figure I'll just throw on a pair of hipwaders and pick out what I want from the rapids that surely will form around the potholes.

Erik :D

jefnvk
September 10, 2004, 11:52 PM
My philosophy: If you don't want to pay the price, find someone selling cheaper. If enough people don't buy at that price, it will come down. Market intervention = bad.

wasrjoe
September 10, 2004, 11:56 PM
I don't think he was asking for any market intervention. Just as it is OK to ask higher-than-market prices, it's OK to be pissed off at people who do.

Wildalaska
September 11, 2004, 12:01 AM
Look keep in mind that ya got to recoup your investment. I went out and stocked over $3000 of LEO mags gettin ready for Monday...while Impact is a few$$ higher all around than me, and I have em in stock and they dont, their prices are not out of line....and btw to the gneral public my prices are the same

PS a plug, 4 Beta Cs left, in stock, special pricing for THR members!

WildgettinburntoutAlaska

444
September 11, 2004, 12:10 AM
I know I am beating a dead horse here, and this probably doesn't even apply in this particular case, and I have said this on more than one thread in the recent past but...............:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I have read a lot of posts where people talk like the prices are going to be the same as they were before the ban. They think that if they paid $350 for an AK in 1994, then when the ban sunsets, they should be able to buy an AK then for $350 since that was the "pre-ban" price. Please keep in mind that the price of everything has gone up in the last 10 years. This stuff isn't going to be anywhere near as cheap as it was then. In another thread I used the example of a Bushmaster AR15 since it was the first thing that came to mind. Their current suggested retail price according to their website is over one thousand dollars for a "post ban" rifle that you could buy last month. When the ban sunsets next week, the price isn't going to drop lower than that. Why would it? I realize that the street price is significantly less than that, but I am just using an example.

R.H. Lee
September 11, 2004, 12:16 AM
Heck, I live in Detroit. if you listen to the local media, my street will be flooded with assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. I figure I'll just throw on a pair of hipwaders and pick out what I want from the rapids that surely will form around the potholes.
ROTFLMAO!!:D

Coronach
September 11, 2004, 02:09 AM
Like the folks who ramped up their gas prices to $5 per gallon on 9/11/01Actually, the rather steep rise in price was a benefit. If the price had stayed stable, everyone and their uncle would have run off to fill every gas can and tank they had, which would have created an actual supply shortfall, which would have sent the price through the freakin' roof and kept it there for a long time...because, while it is possible to increase production to cover demand, it takes a while to get the end product down the pipeline, as it were.

What happened in reality was this:

The sheep got scared.

The sheep ran to the pumps.

The sheep saw expensive gas.

The sheep bleated and went home, and the supply remained largely intact.

The price came down, rapidly.

If they really wanted to milk things, they could have kept the prices low at first, allowed panicked demand to outpace supply, thus driving the price through the roof, and kept production steady (read: insufficient), which would have maintained sky-high prices for weeks, at no greater cost to them than normal day-to-day business.

They didn't do that.

[/hijack]

Mike ;)

PS Yes, I was at the pumps, too, after my 12 hour shift. I gassed up two cars and paid through the nose...not $5, but high enough. I'm a team player, but only so much. ;) There is no 'I' in 'team', but there is a 'me' ;)

c_yeager
September 11, 2004, 03:54 AM
The store in question charges $18.99 for Glock mags elsewhere on their site. I can't think of any reason normal capacity magazines should cost $29.99.

Maybe it's because the guy has a whole ton of 10rnd mags that are going to be worthless in a few days and he has cut the price on them to get rid of them ASAP. But, i guess that would make too much sense. Personally i would object if he was trying to pawn off his old "cripple-mags" for the same price as the new regular capacity mags.

Yeah, his prices are a bit high on a lot of stuff but, he is allowed to charge what the market will bear. And they are a far cry from the price that was being charged for "prebans" a few years back.

WhoKnowsWho
September 11, 2004, 03:57 AM
Glock mags for $29.99? Pfft, order from www.fourfourmag.com used G17 mags for $13... free shipping for orders over $100.

Wildalaska
September 11, 2004, 04:46 AM
All the other mags are $22..only the "pre owned" Glock 17s are $13...

Me myself if I was buying retail, having seen "pre owned" Glock 17 mags, Ill would pass and pay the $5-8 more for a new one...

But hey to each his own...

WildjustaslongaseveryonegetssomeAlaska

Waitone
September 11, 2004, 11:08 AM
It is called "supply and demand." Anytime you remove a cap on supply in the presence of excessive demand, prices will spike. They will also drop over time.

Solutions:
--Wait to buy
--Shop other stores
--Substitute other products
--Complain about the prices to the store's proprieter.

Beren
September 11, 2004, 11:50 AM
I'll wait for normal capacity magazines that don't have the "LE Only" stamp on them. I know the words are meaningless after the ban, but I like to keep the number of useless words stamped on my property to a minimum. :)

GEM
September 11, 2004, 11:55 AM
Don't like useless words? That's why Al Gore invented the Internet!

Anyway, at the local gun show, one dealer was taking orders at $24.99. I'm going to wait a show or two, till the feeding frenzy dies down and many enter the system. I'll bet we see about a $22 stabilization.

One doofus told me that he would sell normal caps at $40. He was selling his 'new' ones at $79.00.

Idiot - seems to me that last month, you should have sold out at $30 or so. I might have bought one as a contingency. But now he is stuck. Ha.

Highland Ranger
September 11, 2004, 12:08 PM
I haven't done a survey but I saw on SMith's and Beretta's sites:

Any gun bought after 9/13 till end of year gets two free hi cap mags if it doesn't already come with it.

That should stop any stupid gouging on the part of local retailers.

http://home.smith-wesson.com/contentbuilder/layout.php3?contentPath=content/00/01/32/01/03/userdirectory59.content

http://www.berettausa.com/product/promotions/92_96_cx4_promo/92_96_cx4_promo.htm

Hope SIg does the same thing - I was leaning toward them as a AWB sunset celebration purchase.

Edmond
September 11, 2004, 12:11 PM
I wouldn't call 10 round mags useless; *********** is still limited their mags to 10 rounds. I wouldn't use regular capacity mags at the range anyway. I am still going to use 10 round mags at the range.

Wildalaska
September 11, 2004, 02:08 PM
Anyway, at the local gun show, one dealer was taking orders at $24.99. I'm going to wait a show or two, till the feeding frenzy dies down and many enter the system. I'll bet we see about a $22 stabilization.

heck Ill take $22 for the mags Im selling for $17.99

WildmomoneyAlaska

Bainx
September 11, 2004, 04:03 PM
The old addage--"Squeeze the lemon while you got it" applies here

XLMiguel
September 11, 2004, 10:39 PM
Edmond's got it - the 10 rounders are fine for practice, and I guess I'll just keep all them old Promags for FTF drills (actually, since I replaced the springs in the Promags with Wolff springs, they work fine:D ). I'm just happy to be getting std cap mags at a reasonable price.

And BTW, newer guns like the H&K USP9C just got a lot more attractive with the availability of std cap mags. Life is good!

Er, dang, my 'I wants' list just got bigger:D :rolleyes: :what: :neener:

Matt Sutton
September 17, 2004, 11:18 PM
It looks like I owe Impact an apology. Their prices aren't as out of line as I thought. Hell, they're geniuses! They priced them about right in the middle of others I've seen. Not the cheapest, but not the most expensive. They must have figured there'd be a run on them and priced them accordingly.
I'll think twice before going on rant mode again.:banghead:

They've definitely got balls selling Ruger GBs and RRA DEA rifles off of their web site. Bill Ruger's ghost and Sarah Brady are probably having conniptions!

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