Ban Over?who Cares, My M1 Carbine Is More Fun


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Wildalaska
September 13, 2004, 01:46 AM
So therer me and spiffy was, armed to the teeth, Colt Commando Assault Rifle with Beta C mag marked Law Enforcement, Bushie M4gery semi auto with a 14.5 bbl and a Vortex with 30 rround Colt LE mags, SIG 228 with 13 round LE mag...hey the ban is over...

And after shredding a B27 sil with the machine gun (then letting it cool as smoke drifted lazily from the vent holes in the handguard), and playing tactical fat boy ninja with the Bushie and the reflex (62 grain ammo groups real nice!), popped a few from my buddy Hans 500 S&W, I whipped out..

Yes the old relaible M1 partroper carbine....just sat there and filled the torso of that target with anemic 110 grainers....you can see the cases spin lazily up in the air as you shoot...no recoil....just pop pop pop pop pop

Yeah the AWB expration is fine fer you younguns, but ya know what, back in the 1980s I was burning ammo out of FALs and Tommy guns, and FNCs and MP5s and HK 21s and AUGs and so on and so forth....guess Im getting older and those old wood stock veterans just give me abit more of a thrill..

I think Ill get a Springfield next...

Guess once I get one of those, and finish my FAL build, and hopefully the SIG 550(s) will show up (if I have extras anyone want?) I can try to get the Holy Grail...a 100% condition Imperial Mosin Nagant :)


WildgunfunAlaska

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wasrjoe
September 13, 2004, 01:56 AM
I have a thing for WWII-50s era semi-auto battle rifles. SKSs, FN-49s, Garands, SVTs, Mas 49s, you know, them sexah little thangs...

Sacre bleu! There are so many rifles I need to get. :(

WhoKnowsWho
September 13, 2004, 03:39 AM
I think I would prefer the Garand I don't have yet over the M1 Carbine... :D

Heck, I'll just play WWII and pit my Arisakas and such on the table. Assault rifles? It assaults fine on its own with wood and everything! :D

(I still want a 11.5" barrel with flash hider welded on for the AR..." :cool:

Steve Smith
September 13, 2004, 04:40 AM
I care, and so should you, as it was an infringement upon ALL our rights, whether it interested us or not!

MrMurphy
September 13, 2004, 09:57 AM
So get some brand new 15 round M1 carbine mags, and some 30s while you're at it.

halvey
September 13, 2004, 10:02 AM
Yeah the AWB expration is fine fer you younguns Won't the expiration be good for your business though?

Bwana John
September 13, 2004, 10:14 AM
Yea, and a M-2 conversion kit is even more fun!

goon
September 13, 2004, 10:39 AM
Hopefully there will be some new production M1A1 Partroopers now that the ban is dead.
So see, it does matter.;)

Badger Arms
September 13, 2004, 11:16 AM
Post-Post guns are going to sell well in the near term, return to pre-94 levels soon enough, but they never will get back to pre-89 duldroms. It's amazing, but when you are told of the forbidden fruit, you desire it that much more. All this media hype and hoopla about such a minor thing as a threaded barrel and bayonet lug causes the buying public to desire such things. They desired such things on cars too. Who needs tail-fins? Who needs rocket-shaped tail lights? Who needs a fender shaped like an aircraft engine cowling? Well, nobody did but it was really easy to sell cars so-equipped at one time.

halvey
September 13, 2004, 11:56 AM
I think Wildalaska means that to have fun you don't need 30 rounds.

But maybe I should let WildIdontwannaspeakforhimAlaska chime in.

Badger Arms
September 13, 2004, 12:31 PM
You don't need one round to have fun. You do WANT 30 rounds to have fun, though.

Wildalaska
September 13, 2004, 03:02 PM
I care, and so should you, as it was an infringement upon ALL our rights, whether it interested us or not!

I meant who cares in terms of fun, not politics.......

Won't the expiration be good for your business though?

Never was in the biz of selling prebans. Instead of selling 10 round glock mags for $25, Ill sell normal caps for $25

Yea, and a M-2 conversion kit is even more fun!

Thats what I want!

Wildm2Alaska

AirPower
September 13, 2004, 03:11 PM
did someone say Sig 550? :)

With ATF's open letter, what's the outlook on importing arms?

Sactown
September 13, 2004, 07:08 PM
What? Someone mention a group buy on M1 Carbines? :rolleyes:

Sven
September 27, 2004, 06:23 PM
That M1 Carbine is a FUN GUN!

0007
September 27, 2004, 06:34 PM
Wa - Do they still go "ka-ching" when they cycle?


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JNewell
September 27, 2004, 07:17 PM
To me, it always sounded kinda like someone rattling the dishes around, but yeah, same sound...

Few rifles are as good at producing grins...except I always feel hosed when I pay for the ammo...mebbe need to start reloading that stuff...

AZRickD
September 27, 2004, 08:06 PM
It's amazing, but when you are told of the forbidden fruit, you desire it that much more. All this media hype and hoopla about such a minor thing as a threaded barrel and bayonet lug causes the buying public to desire such things.Yes, Josh Sugarman of VPC did work which cut both ways. He advertised for a product many of us never considered buying but now we consider it the must-have center piece of our collections.

On the other hand, the AW Ban over the last ten years made some anti-legislatures think that the ban must be the status-quo of gun statutes.

The fight is not yet over. Stock up so you can give some to your children, grand children, and deserving neighbors. ;)

Rick

Wildalaska
September 27, 2004, 08:33 PM
Yes they still go kaching!

WildilikenagantrevolversevenmoreAlaska

Schuey2002
September 27, 2004, 08:51 PM
hopefully the SIG 550(s) will show up (if I have extras anyone want?)
Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me !! :evil:

How much?? :o

Little Loudmouth
September 27, 2004, 10:00 PM
I've shot an M1 (my dad's). Didn't pull the stock in tight enough and got hammered in the shoulder. But still...you gotta like the classic wood-stocked M1.

LittlesyntheticstocksfeelnastyLoudmouth

RevDisk
September 28, 2004, 02:03 AM
Yeah the AWB expration is fine fer you younguns, but ya know what, back in the 1980s I was burning ammo out of FALs and Tommy guns, and FNCs and MP5s and HK 21s and AUGs and so on and so forth....guess Im getting older and those old wood stock veterans just give me abit more of a thrill..

:cuss:

Maybe someday I'll have one of each of those on my wall... Someday... :(

Darn FOPA.

mhdishere
September 28, 2004, 09:39 AM
Unfortunately for those of us in NJ, the M1 Carbine is classified as an "assault weapon" and therefore is a no-no. I'll just have to get a Garand instead :D

I've heard there's an M1 Carbine "clone" that's legal, but since I'm not in the market for one I havn't bothered to follow-up on it.

Biff
September 28, 2004, 10:31 AM
...besides, I find wood and steel much more satisfying than plastic and aluminum!

M1 carbine would be fun to hunt ptarmigan with!

Dr.Rob
September 28, 2004, 03:18 PM
(waits for Wildalaska to proclaim the SVT the bee's knees)

I thought the M-1 was a great way to 'beat the ban'... zillions of magazines and it's not on anyone's "list".

Though it's still 'light' for a rifle, it's better than a pistol.

Anyone ever do a three gun match dressed as a WW2 marine? (Carbine, 1897 Trench Gun, 1911?)

Just a thought.

Anyway, I think the other cool thing about the Carbine is the weight, or lack thereof. Picking up an M-1 Carbine is like picking up a .22... it's light, you can carry a lot of bullets. For that reason alone a lot of GI's liked the carbine. Sure it wasn't a rifle... but up close it didn't matter much.

mhdishere
September 28, 2004, 03:41 PM
I thought the M-1 was a great way to 'beat the ban'... zillions of magazines and it's not on anyone's "list".



Dr Rob,
Sorry, but that's not true, it's on NJ's list.

buzz_knox
October 8, 2004, 02:50 PM
it's not on anyone's "list".

Actually, given that it is a design used, or substantially the same as one used by the military or law enforcement, it's been "on the list" as far as more than one ban proposal is concerned.

Further, it's only off the list if you don't want to add anything to it, like a folding stock.

Sven
October 9, 2004, 12:52 PM
Get one while you can. Who would think they could ban the M1 Carbine, but sure enough, they try and try.

hps1
October 10, 2004, 12:17 AM
Had an Inland gathering dust in my safe because old eyes could no longer see the iron sights when I remembered seeing a scope mount in Brownell's catalog years ago. Sure enough, S&K (IIRC) listed one and I mounted a Millett red dot on the old war horse. Talk about a fun gun to shoot!

Have even set up the Dillon for carbine loading. The Speer 110 gr plinker bullet should be great for coyotes and other small varmints. Now if someone knows how to tighten up the groups a bit........the carbine has never had a reputation of being super accurate. :)

Regards,
hps

johnc522
October 10, 2004, 03:15 AM
I think I read somewhere that Audie Murphy mostly used the M-1 carbine, rather than the Garand, perhaps due to his small size and weight. I have never fired one, but would sure love to sometjme.

mustanger98
October 10, 2004, 10:40 AM
Thinking of Audie Murphy, I saw "To Hell And Back", and noticed after he made Sgt they had him using a Thompson subgun, but switching out with a PFC for a Garand some of the time. Then after he was commissioned, they had him with a Carbine- that's what he had in the scene with the tank.

Never shot a M1 Carbine, but I've had a few in my hands and liked the feel. But for effective firepower, I like my Garand. Claybirds on the 100yd berm have little or no chance. :D

As for the AWB, while I didn't have any EBR's, I still hated it. It deserved to die.

benEzra
October 10, 2004, 04:00 PM
I thought the M-1 was a great way to 'beat the ban'... zillions of magazines and it's not on anyone's "list".
It is now. Check out S.1431 (cosponsored by lots of leading national Democrats last session, but didn't pass):

THR thread on S.1431 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104816)

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

July 17, 2003
Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself and Mr. CORZINE) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003'.

SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.

(a) IN GENERAL- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
`(ii) AR-10;
`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
`(iv) AR70;
`(v) Calico Liberty;
`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
`(xi) M1 Carbine;
`(xii) Saiga;
`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
`(xv) SLG 95;
`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
`(xvii) Steyr AUG;
`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
`(xix) Tavor;
`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

[snip]

`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a pistol grip;
`(iv) a forward grip; or
`(v) a barrel shroud.

[snip]

`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).

`(K) A conversion kit.

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.


Both the M1 Carbine and mini-14 are banned by name. Note also the absolute prohibition on receivers that are "substantially similar" to the banned guns, and the absolute prohibition on pistol grips on any rifle with a detachable magazine; bye bye AR's.

Paragraph (L) could even outlaw the M1 Garand, depending on how the Attorney General du jour felt about them.

BTW, does anyone have a list of cosponsors?

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