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caseydog
September 14, 2004, 01:34 AM
Subscribed a spam catcher address to the VPC mailing list a while back , here is the latest "post sunset" blather , Ray


Dear Violence Policy Center Action Network Member:

As you know, the federal assault weapons ban expires today.

In 1994, soon after the federal assault weapons ban was signed into law, the Violence Policy Center warned in The New York Times that the ban would be:

"an island of regulation in a vast sea of laissez-faire production" of firearms that could limit the law's effect. "The question remains how effective it will be and how creative the industry will be in trying to work around the definitions."

Our concerns were quickly realized. The gun industry moved swiftly to circumvent the ban. The June 2004 VPC study, United States of Assault Weapons: Gunmakers Evading the Federal Assault Weapons Ban revealed that under the ban, more than 40 gunmakers across America were marketing post-ban assault weapons, including UZIs, AK-47s, AR-15s, MAC-10s, and others. The study also revealed that more than a million assault weapons have been manufactured since the bans passage in 1994.

That is why the VPC and its state gun control partners fought not only to renew, but more importantly, strengthen, the federal assault weapons ban. The sad truth is that mere renewal would have done little to stop this flood of assault weapons. Conversely, the end of the ban only makes official what was already known: assault weapons are readily available in America. The only difference is that the arbitrary distinction between pre- and post-ban assault weapons is now gone. One result of our work is that news and editorial pages across America now understand the need to strengthen the ban. This would not have occurred without the work of the VPC.

While the assault weapons ban has ended, the debate will continue--as, unfortunately, will the killings. The May 2003 Violence Policy Center analysis of FBI data, Officer Down--Assault Weapons and the War on Law Enforcement, revealed that one out of five law enforcement officers (41 of 211) slain in the line of duty from 1998 through 2001 were killed with an assault weapon. So far this year, six law enforcement officers in Indiana and Alabama alone have been killed with SKS assault rifles--weapons not covered under the 1994 ban.

Americas police and public deserve an effective assault weapons ban that truly bans all assault weapons. The ban's end doesn't change the facts: assault weapons pose a unique threat. A truly effective ban would limit the access of these guns to cop-killers, extremists, grudge killers, gang members, and bona fide gun nuts. VPC expertise and advice played a key role in proposed legislation to strengthen the ban--and will continue to do so. We will build on this campaign next Congress and work to help ensure public safety and rein in America's unregulated gun industry by working to pass effective legislation.

Thank you, as always, for your support and your commitment to ending gun death and injury. For more information please visit http://action.vpc.org/ctt.asp?u=2958024&l=54896.

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bfieldburt
September 14, 2004, 02:01 AM
BITE ME. That's all I have to say to the VPC.

jefnvk
September 14, 2004, 02:03 AM
A truly effective ban would limit the access of these guns to cop-killers, extremists, grudge killers, gang members, and bona fide gun nuts.

So first of all, you are wanting to ban items to people that believe in something other than you? I would be willing to guess in the early 30's, Jews were viewed upon as extremists, and look what happened there.

And the second one is simply a personal attack :cuss:

nico
September 14, 2004, 02:33 AM
This seems like a case of the whacko thinking their the only one who's sane (kinda like jim brady talking about other people having brain damage)

Bubbles
September 14, 2004, 07:49 AM
The VPC is the GOA equivalent of the anti-gun world. They make Brady/MMM look "moderate".

Legislatively we've won a battle, but not the war.

fistful
September 14, 2004, 08:36 AM
A truly effective ban would limit the access of these guns to cop-killers, extremists, grudge killers, gang members, and bona fide gun nuts. Correct, a truly effective ban would ensure that only criminals and bona fide gun nuts (like you full-auto licensees) would have "assault weapons."

Tinker
September 14, 2004, 09:32 AM
I reckon Brady and Co's new propaganda from now on will be: "See, we didn't an effective ban in the first place. That's why it didn't really work. Now all we need is ....."

Lefty lawyers sure know how to make lemonaide from crab apples. :)

TimRB
September 14, 2004, 09:42 AM
"...and bona fide gun nuts."

"Bona fide gun nuts"? Wait a minute. Wouldn't that be me? I also question why gunmakers who complied with the law were said to be "evading" it.

Tim

ballistic gelatin
September 14, 2004, 10:24 AM
I'm Bona Fide.

TonyB
September 14, 2004, 10:33 AM
Do they really think that making "assault weapons"illegal will keep cop killers from using them???Let me see,they're willing to commit a capital crime,but not a lesser felony????Good logic there:rolleyes:

nico
September 14, 2004, 10:42 AM
"Bona fide gun nuts"? Wait a minute. Wouldn't that be me? I also question why gunmakers who complied with the law were said to be "evading" it.

me too. My definition of "evading" the law would be to keep producing guns that are illegal but forging documents, selling them as other models, etc.

R.H. Lee
September 14, 2004, 11:28 AM
<------bonafide, hardcore, card carrying gun nut for life here. :D

Standing Wolf
September 14, 2004, 11:33 AM
The Violence Policy Center is one of the more aptly named leftist extremist organizations: disarming law-abiding American citizens would, indeed, promote violence.

GSB
September 14, 2004, 11:40 AM
A truly effective ban would limit the access of these guns to cop-killers, extremists, grudge killers, gang members, and bona fide gun nuts.

I do not think this sentence means what the VPC thinks it means...

Oh, and where can I get a "Bona Fide Gun Nut" T -shirt? :D

2nd Amendment
September 14, 2004, 11:48 AM
Correct, a truly effective ban would ensure that only criminals and bona fide gun nuts...

I don't know about you but, speaking for myself, I'd simply become one of the criminals. Not that the VPC sees any difference between "bona fide" and criminals now.

ballistic gelatin
September 14, 2004, 11:59 AM
According to dictionary.com, one of the entries for Bona Fide is

1 b : valid under or in compliance with the law

So a "bona fide" gun nut would be a gun nut that is in compliance with the law. And that is a bad thing???

Bunch of FREAKS!!! :mad:

TallPine
September 14, 2004, 12:01 PM
So, does this mean the streets really WON'T be flooded with AK-47s and UZIs ....? :confused:

Darn! :p

RobW
September 14, 2004, 12:03 PM
A lot of people get very unhappy if they can't rule, govern, and suppress others.

Psychopaths!

Bobarino
September 14, 2004, 01:12 PM
oooooohhhhh, i've been upgrade to a BONA FIDE gun nut! not just a poser anymore. no sir, BONA FIDE gun nut. do i get a medal or certificate of authenticity or anything?

Bobby

Steven1281
September 14, 2004, 06:15 PM
I'm new here. Where exactly do I go to get "bona fide"? Does that cost extra? Does it come with a way cool shiny badge???

Sheesh.... :::: SHUDDER ::::

:what:

Standing Wolf
September 14, 2004, 06:19 PM
Where exactly do I go to get "bona fide"? Does that cost extra? Does it come with a way cool shiny badge???

No, but you get upgraded to senior member after a hundred posts, at which point, you become a bona fide, certified, qualified gun nut.

para.2
September 14, 2004, 07:21 PM
I wanna change my username!!!;) :D :rolleyes:

Strings
September 14, 2004, 07:54 PM
hmmm... think it would sell if I did a badge (say, in bronze) for us "bona fide gun nuts"? Wouldn't be all that hard to work up the piece...

Hawk
September 14, 2004, 08:43 PM
bona fide gun nuts

Is a piece of rhetoric dating back 35 years to one of the original "no win" grabber scenarios:

1. OK, we only want to keep them out of criminals hands, so you can have all of anything you want if you jump through all these hoops.

[naive gunnie] OK, we'll jump through the hoops [/naive gunnie]

2. Anybody that would jump through all those hoops must be a fanatic, and probably unbalanced.





Oops, showing my age.
:o

caseydog
September 14, 2004, 10:06 PM
Dear Violence Policy Center Action Network Member:

And now for some goods news--California leads the war on terror by banning 50 caliber sniper rifles! Thank you for helping pass this first-in-the-nation law!

On the same day that President Bush and Congress allowed the federal assault weapons ban to expire, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law AB 50, a bill banning 50 caliber sniper rifles--weapons of war that can penetrate armor plating, destroy aircraft, and pierce fuel tanks and tank cars. Click here to read the VPC press release: http://action.vpc.org/ctt.asp?u=2958024&l=55440

The action comes less than three years after the Violence Policy Center first identified the threat posed by these weapons with its study, Voting From the Rooftops: How the U.S. Gun Industry Armed Osama bin Laden, Other Foreign and Domestic Terrorists, and Common Criminals With 50 Caliber Sniper Rifles. See this study and other VPC studies on the threat posed by these weapons at http://action.vpc.org/ctt.asp?u=2958024&l=55453.

Please e-mail Governor Schwarzenegger and thank him for signing this important piece of legislation into law. He can be reached at: http://action.vpc.org/ctt.asp?u=2958024&l=55441

This is a prime example of national and state advocates working together to pass effective laws--even when our federal policymakers refuse to take action. We look forward to other states following California's lead on both 50 caliber sniper rifles and assault weapons.

Thank you again for being part of this victory.

mattx109
September 15, 2004, 06:16 AM
to pass effective laws

I'd like to see their extensive research that proves this law is effective at increasing public safety. :rolleyes:

RevDisk
September 15, 2004, 07:22 AM
The action comes less than three years after the Violence Policy Center first identified the threat posed by these weapons with its study, Voting From the Rooftops: How the U.S. Gun Industry Armed Osama bin Laden, Other Foreign and Domestic Terrorists, and Common Criminals With 50 Caliber Sniper Rifles.

Gee. Trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy?

SoundWave
September 15, 2004, 07:32 AM
LOL I like how they believe they are winning the war on terror by taking guns out of legal citizens hands. :rolleyes:

Someone make a 49BMG just to piss them off.

ckyllo
September 15, 2004, 07:47 AM
Someone make a 49BMG just to piss them off.

IIRC the Marines were doing trials with a .47 cal rifle for snipers, It appeared to be a necked down .50 bmg. I dont live in Kali but I am thinking if buying a .50 bmg anyway, cause if sKerry gets in we will probally need a permit for a spitball.

twency
September 15, 2004, 07:48 AM
hmmm... think it would sell if I did a badge (say, in bronze) for us "bona fide gun nuts"? Wouldn't be all that hard to work up the piece...

Bronze would look too much like the (correctly) much-maligned "CCW Badge." Instead make it a nice, professional looking credit card sized card. That way we can proudly say we're "Card-Carrying Bona Fide Gun Nuts."


-twency
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LoneStranger
September 15, 2004, 02:43 PM
You got a good idea there twency. What is needed is the ability to put ID photo on it for when your at Fun(Gun) Show you could hang it around your neck on one of those lanyards like things. :D

Strings
September 15, 2004, 07:52 PM
hmmmmm..... I have a card laminator... lemmie see what I can whip up...

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