Gouging has already started....


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Rapidrob
September 14, 2004, 11:58 AM
I called/e-mailed many persons and companies the sell high cap magazines. I asked about avaibility and pricing on certain mags. And low and behold price gouging has all ready started. I found one fellow selling a Steyr M9 high cap for $150.00 and Glock mags for all most $ 200.00. Making a buck is American, but price gouging is just plain greed. I'm going to compile all the responces to my questions and post then as "buy from", "Don't buy from"
I'll keep you posted.
Rapidrob.

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Kenneth Lew
September 14, 2004, 12:09 PM
This is the United States of American! You are free to put any price on whatever the hell you want! You are also free to walk away. Unless you were engaged in a transaction with the person and got screwed, don't complain.

Kenneth Lew

rick_reno
September 14, 2004, 12:18 PM
I haven't seen that - I got an email from SigArms notifying me that they are now selling regular capacity magazines for the P226, P228 and P229 - prices appeared to be reasonable at about $50 each. You can purchase them here (http://www.sigarms.com/pc/viewCat_h.asp?idCategory=8)

Note: I have no affiliation with SigArms other than I'm on their mailing list.

Redlg155
September 14, 2004, 12:20 PM
True...It is a free market and anyone is able to pick or choose at his own discretion. Still..it doesn't take the bad taste out of your mouth when you see people trying to take advantage of a situation.

However, I don't see the logic of asking inflated prices for pre ban items since they no longer hold any new significance, other than being 10 years old.

What does please me are the numbers of prior pre ban owners willing to sell their recievers to states where their state laws never sunset, and doing so at a very reasonable cost.

Good Shooting
Red

Skofnung
September 14, 2004, 12:21 PM
The gougers will not sell many. I have seen Glock mags going for ~$20 online so far, and as time marches on, the prices will likley get a little lower. Ar mags have already dropped to $10.50 or thereabouts for LEO trade-ins over on ARF.com.

Free markets work. Supply will be forthcoming, and the gougers will have to lower the price or keep their wares. That, and folks remember those who act like sphincters. They will get theirs.

bushjumper
September 14, 2004, 12:50 PM
Keep in mind that prices are going to fluctuate for a while until things settle down. Theres a BIG influx of demand right now.

Before the ban, Hi Cap factory mags NEVER sold for as cheap as they are going for now. A mag from glock would run you around 40 bucks. Now people call it gouging if they go for more than 20.

I just don't see us ever getting the LEO prices on this stuff.

Daniel T
September 14, 2004, 12:59 PM
I got an e-mail from CDNN today...

BER11RESTRICT Beretta 96 40s&w 11rd Magazine $28.99 NEW
BER8040Z Beretta 8040 11rd Magazine $29.99 NEW
BER96LD Beretta 96 40s&w 11rd Magazine $14.99 USED
BERDLAW Beretta 92 9mm 15rd Magazine $19.99 USED
FNZ FN HPDA 9mm 15rd Magazine $29.99 NEW
GLO17ZD Glock 17 9mm 17rd Magazine $14.99 USED
HK40RESRTICTED HK USP 40s&w 13rd Magazine $19.99 USED
RUGP89ZLAWDEMO Ruger P89/95 9mm 15rd Magazine $14.99 USED
RUGP91ZLAW Ruger P91 40s&w Magazine $19.99 NEW
MECS22815ZD Sig 228 9mm 15rd+2 Mec-Gar Magazine $9.99 USED
SIG22640DZ Sig 226 40/357 12rd Magazine $19.99 USED
SIG22640ZLAW Sig 226 40/357 12rd Magazine $28.99 NEW
SIG226DZ Sig 226 9mm 15rd Magazine $18.99 USED
SIG228ZD Sig 228 9mm 13rd Magazine $18.99 USED
SIG229LAW Sig 229 40/357 12rd Magazine $28.99 NEW
SIG229ZD Sig 229 40/357 12rd Magazine $18.99 USED
SIG34260294LAW Sig 226 9mm 15rd German Magazine $28.99 NEW
SIG34280482LAW Sig 228 9mm 13rd Magazine $28.99 NEW
SIG34290500 Sig PRO 40/357 12rd Magazine $28.99 NEW
SMI4014DLAW Smith & Wesson SIGMA 40s&w 14rd Magazine $14.99 USED
SMI40DLAW Smith & Wesson SIGMA 40s&w 15rd Magazine $14.99 USED
SMI59DZLAW Smith & Wesson 59 9mm 15rd STS. Magazine $19.99 USED
SMI7ZLAW Smith & Wesson 4006 40s&w 11rd Magazine $9.99 USED
STE40LAW Steyr M40 40s&w 12rd Magazine $29.99 NEW
WAL99ZLAWD Walther P99 40s&w Magazine $19.99 USED

So, let people gouge all they want, they won't sell anything when companies like CDNN are selling mags for these prices.

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 01:43 PM
"Gouging" doesn't exist. It is a concept invented by liberals who don't like how a market economy works.

Goods will trade at an agreed upon price by buyer and seller. Unless the seller holds a gun to your head and takes your money by force, the buyer has agreed to the price.

If the price is too high, don't buy. But to buy and then complain that the price is to high and that you were "gouged" is ridiculous.




Scott

Fred Fuller
September 14, 2004, 02:11 PM
Wander around the forum a bit- you'll find things like

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99366 .

lpl/nc

No4Mk1
September 14, 2004, 02:32 PM
"Gouging" doesn't exist. It is a concept invented by liberals who don't like how a market economy works.

Quite right. However, what most people call gouging is when market prices are inflated by an artificial limit in supply, usually caused my government meddling in the market. (i.e. 1994 ban....) When the free market is allowed to operate unencumbered, supply shortages rarely exist for long.

Now, I'll just don my asbestos and wait for some anarchist or socialist to come along and flame me....:p

Texian Pistolero
September 14, 2004, 02:33 PM
The real gouging took place under the ban.

Just wait and let the market adjust.

Why not wait and buy in October?

If Bush wins, wait and buy in January.


You don't want to get in a squeeze with a Kerry victory.

But even then, Congress gotta act, and that takes some time.

jdkelly
September 14, 2004, 02:45 PM
This is the United States of American! You are free to put any price on whatever the hell you want! You are also free to walk away. Unless you were engaged in a transaction with the person and got screwed, don't complain.---Kenneth Lew

Yeah RapidRob,

What do you think, you have 1st Amendment rights?:)


Respectfully,

jdkelly

HankB
September 14, 2004, 03:17 PM
I found one fellow selling a Steyr M9 high cap for $150.00 and Glock mags for all most $ 200.00. Makes me want to hope he actually paid $100 for the Steyrs and $125 for his Glock mags . . . . :evil:

Okiecruffler
September 14, 2004, 05:03 PM
It happened a short time ago in Florida where the fellow was charging 10 bucks for a couple of C cell battteries. It happened to me after 911 when my trusk was on empty, I had to get to work and was forced to wait in line to pay 2.99 a gallon for gas.

These high prices for mags are just some shmucks trying to make a bigger profit while demand is high. Problem is, there are too many honest companies out there who were waiting for this thing with truck loads of mags.

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 05:09 PM
Don't want to pay the $10 for batteries? Then don't. But again, there is no such thing as gouging. It is simple supply and demand. The laws of economics don't care if there has been a hurricane, or anything else. Supply and demand create an equilibrium price. Pay it or not, but you aren't getting gouged.

The people getting "gouged" in Florida hurricanes are those that didn't buy batteries when the market determined equilibrium price was $2, rather than $10. But sorry, a persons lack of preparation doesn't equal "gouging."




Scott

Daniel T
September 14, 2004, 05:33 PM
Easy for you to say from Colorado. Maybe someone needs to buy those now $10 batteries because the house they used to have the $2 batteries in doesn't exist any more. Or, for that matter, the house they used to have 100 gallons of potable water stored in doesn't exist any more.

What do you do then? Live through the aftermath of a hurricane, deal with price gouging, then tell me there's no such thing.

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 05:38 PM
If the market determines that the price for batteries is $2, no gouging and all is good. But if the same market determines that the price for batteries is now $10, then it is gouging and all is bad.

***??

The market has determined the price in both situations. But if the price is higher than what it was previously, then it is gouging. Some of you really ought to study economics.



Scott

Daniel T
September 14, 2004, 05:54 PM
Trying reading my post again and addressing the context.

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 05:58 PM
Supply and demand doesn't care about context. It doesn't care about the circumstances that created it. It is what it is.

Is the context of your post trying to say that if someone goes through an unfortunate event, the laws of supply and demand should be temporarily suspended?

I am really not trying to be obtuse here, but I just don't get it.




Scott

2nd Amendment
September 14, 2004, 06:26 PM
The situation matters not. If I have batteries and I want $10 for them and you need batteries and have $10...that's a deal. What they sold for before, or after, is immaterial. Now personally I thought the price hikes on gas after 9/11 were offensive from a moral standpoint, and think the same about the battery thing, but that's how the market works. I much prefer it to how government would have it working.

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 06:29 PM
2nd Amendment,

Agreed. It may be morally repugnant, but then market prices are not a moral issue.




Scott

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 06:32 PM
Your comment on how govmnt. would have things working is interesting.

What happens when govmnt. sets a price ceiling, such as on generators in Florida following a hurricane? That's right, shortages. At the prices mandated by govmnt., more people are willing to buy than the market is willing to supply at the artificial price. Same thing with rent controlled apartments in New York.

It may be an unpleasant situation, and you may have to pay more than what you think you should have to pay, but I'll stand by my argument - there is no such thing as price gouging.




Scott

Diamondback
September 14, 2004, 06:38 PM
While it's certainly true prices are influnced by what the market will bear aka " the law of supply and demand"........comsumer satisfaction can greatly determine future price structures. During times of emergency shortage, unforseen circumstances, natural disaster ect. merchants that inflate prices short term to reap quick profit usually pay dearly over the long haul and often create ill will and rally the wrath of their consumer base. Once the temporary influences that "allowed" for an inflated price structure subside and supply rises and cost/demand drop, then level, the consumer is no longer held captive by TaxPhd's market forces. Consumers are free to trade and spend their dollar with whoever they wish. The buying public can "repay the favor" so to speak to a merchant that inflates prices during emergencies and invokes the mighty "law of supply and demand" during an individual's unforseen circumctances by : not trading with said merchant in the future and/or organizing boycots. That's why it's important to "tell your story" to others and name said merchant. Okiecruffler, who was the merchant who treated you such in your time of need ?

Those that "hide" behind the "law of supply and demand" to increase short term profit at the expense of anothers wellbeing ( and I an NOT talking about magazines here.....but rather batteries, gas, food , water ect. ) strike me as those that might kick a rock off a cliff endangering folks below defending such behavior with the "law of gravity" !

If it walks like a duck......it's probably a shmuck trying to gouge you ! Fight back.....name names and tell your story. Cooperate......buying coopreratively influnces the marketplace !

-my insignificant .02...regards.

Jon Coppenbarger
September 14, 2004, 06:50 PM
I have a very close friend who is one of the largest magazine dealers in the west and made alot of money during the ban , even on me sometimes .
Now wow is he crying the blues and telling me Iam selling everything too low on some deals I have passes on to folks lately.
He got mad when I told him that my beta-c mag price for the ar15 is only $230 for locals plus tax or I just add $11 for shipping in the lower 48.
And when I bought 350 new leo ar15 mags and sold them all for $11 dollars each and the last batch for $12 each he flipped and acussed me of flooding the market. He still has his mags for $24.99 for new ones and most likely will not sell them for a long time.

Then Iam sitting on 20,000 rounds of 30-06 still in the clips and bandoleers in the cans in the original crates from lake city and plan on selling them for $17 a bandoleer he said that is way to low but you know what there is always something to sell and Iam not one of those who plan on keeping anything around forever.

Our phones have been ringing off the hook since monday on folks wanting to buy rifles and parts from us as we are 1 of only 3 rock river stocking dealers in the state.
And you know what my reputation means more to me than gouging future or existing customers. So I get them the fair prices and they or some of them come back to shop again.
Iam always leary of folks who say Iam the best or my prices are the best and the one's who buy from them without checking well thats their loss.
So that is why alot of us are telling anyone who ask's where to go and buy something during this time as we are all a comunity and should help each other.


jon

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 06:50 PM
Diamondback,

You make a good point. And if you will review my posts, you'll notice that I didn't say that merchants should do it (raise prices), or that doing it was the best way to maximize long run profits.

But the market is wonderful thing. If one merchant is trying to sell batteries at the market established price of $10, and all the other merchants around are selling batteries at the "Good Neighbor, I don't care about supply and demand" price of $2, then guess what? The $10 seller isn't going to have sales, and the price will move towards a new market equilibrium.

And, surprise surprise, still no gouging.

Perhaps all of you that believe in the existence of gouging ought to tell us when you think the laws of economics should be repealed, and how you would accomplish this, without any of the unintended consequences that come as a result of artificial price floors and ceilings?



Scott

trapperjohn
September 14, 2004, 06:53 PM
so called "price gouging" actually is the markets way of making sure demand doesnt outstrip supply, an excellent article by an economist is here:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040914.shtml

Correia
September 14, 2004, 06:57 PM
$200 for a Glock mag is not evidence of gouging.

It is evidence of substance abuse. My gosh, is this guy smoking crack? Licking toads? What kind of idiot is going to drop $200 on a Glock magazine?

Otherwise agree with TaxPhd. As long as there is competition, then gouging is not a factor. Artificially limit competiton and it becomes a factor.

Mr Jody Hudson
September 14, 2004, 06:59 PM
Market Forces at work!

IF there were not people sensitive to "gouging", especially the govt. then there could have been people willing to invest in generators in Texas, PA, or WA and drive them to FL for a "PROFIT"

Generators would be bought far away and brought in. In exchange for the investment and risk and time and money and travel and ... And then there would have been generators for those with money equal to the supply and demand.

And some MORE people would have bought a truck load of generators and taken them to FL and then more supply would be there and the "gouging" prices would go down to the lowest prices available and still not sold until all gone or up and down and up and down until supply and demand equalize...

OR... if too many generators showed up there would be generators "dumped" onto the market too cheap so that the investors could bail out get some money back take the truck back and go home... leaving UNDERPRICED generators in the wake! :neener:

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 07:02 PM
Finally, some more voices of reason!



Scott

armoredman
September 14, 2004, 07:03 PM
We've seen Glock mags here in AZ for $15 or less. The flood is beginning....stock buildup, unnatural restrictions on demand, gonna be some evening out there in that supply/demand cycle...

GLOCKME
September 14, 2004, 07:06 PM
Gotta love the free market system..If you put up the capital,ya either boom or bust...
There are plenty of great deals right now for the looking..:)

themic
September 14, 2004, 07:16 PM
although they're legal now, it may take a while for supply to catch up with demand! the machines gotta run, the trucks gotta drive, the stockboys gotta unload boxes, and the accountants have to fiddle with their numbers.

i wouldn't expect prices to normalize for at least a few weeks.

i figure... we've watied ten years. a few weeks for normal prices ain't so bad. course, i don't have any firearms that take hi-caps anyways. :p

SkunkApe
September 14, 2004, 08:22 PM
The situation matters not. If I have batteries and I want $10 for them and you need batteries and have $10...that's a deal.

Don't do it! I have batteries for only $9! PM me.

TaxPhd
September 14, 2004, 10:07 PM
:D

joe sixpack
September 14, 2004, 11:54 PM
I just thank your choice of diety that I need not concern myself with
such nonsense.

cheers, ab

Flyboy
September 14, 2004, 11:56 PM
Another good townhall.com article, this one from Jeff Jacoby:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/jj20040823.shtml

kernal_panic
September 15, 2004, 06:16 PM
the post about shortages in florida is all to real. good luck buying a blitz gas can right now. there aren't any.

telewinz
September 15, 2004, 06:22 PM
Gouging" doesn't exist. Tell that to the people buying plywood down south.:barf:

TaxPhd
September 15, 2004, 06:33 PM
Why is selling something at a market determined price considered "gouging?"

When do you expect merchants to sell their goods for a price less than what the market requires?

If you think there are times when merchants should sell for less than what the market requires, are there also times when they should sell for more than what the market requires?

The lack of even a basic understanding of economics is really quite shocking. :rolleyes:



Scott

Correia
September 15, 2004, 06:39 PM
Tax,

That is because guys with majors like ours had to spend all of our time in college taking classes like several levels of Econ and Corporate Finance, getting our brains hammered into a mush like substance, while everybody else got to take all of the fun stuff. :)

TaxPhd
September 15, 2004, 06:41 PM
ROTFLMFAO!! :D



Scott

SgtGunner
September 15, 2004, 10:13 PM
Just want to address the gouging issue and the fact that someone brought up the hurricanes of late. I live in Port Charlotte Florida and my home as well as most around me got devastated by Charley a month ago. Fortunately I only have about 30K in damage, not so lucky some others in my community whose homes and businesses no longer exist.

"econ" classes aside GOUGING IS REAL..... you can scream free market economy all you want but until you go without hot water or power for 3 weeks and see some moron selling generators out of a truck for over 1K that sold the day before the storm for 299 to 80 year old retirees who were lucky enough to have a house to worry about powering after the storm. I have seen all manner of human scum come into my neighborhood and charge 300 to saw up a 4 inch diameter tree because it was sitting across someones driveway and they had to get out and were not as lucky as me to be able to physically do the work. The contractors all raised their prices by about 40% overnight after that storm and you think it can be justified by supply and demand?

I think it says alot about the way our society is deteriorating. Making a profit or a living is one thing but to try to gain far more than any reasonable market value from other peoples misery is just lowlife behavior.

ctdonath
September 15, 2004, 10:55 PM
Gold goes for hundreds of dollars an ounce because there isn't much of it but lots of people want it.

Plywood, gasoline, chainsaws, generators, all are usually cheap because very few people want them - maybe 1 in 1000 on a given normal day. But when - suddenly - 1 in 10 people want them on a hurricane-active day, or everyone wants them, the value skyrockets precisely for the same reason gold costs so muc: there isn't much of it but lots of people want it.

A thing is worth no more or less than what someone is willing to pay. If someone will pay $1000 today for a generator that cost $300 yesterday, or $10/gallon for gas having gone $2/gallon yesterday, then that is precisely what it is worth. One reason I buy bulk ammo at $0.10/round today is because I might be in a situation tomorrow where I'd be willing to pay $1000/round.

No, SgtGunner, "price gouging" does not exist. Today, nobody will pay more than $X for Y; tomorrow everyone is willing to pay $X,000 for Y - why should I charge less for what it is worth? nobody is more worthy of Y than anyone else, so it simply goes to the highest bidder.

dustind
September 15, 2004, 10:55 PM
SgtGunner: Do you really think someone is going to sit around with a truck full of generators without some kind of insentive? If it was not for those prices those guys would not even be there. Then in stead of choosing to buy at a high price or choosing to go without, the only "choice" you would have is to go without.

If prices do not go up, supply will go down. Price caps do not work.

ctdonath
September 15, 2004, 11:09 PM
If you are dismayed at people bringing generators a long way by truck to a generator-starved area just to sell them for a price-gouging $1000 each, then obviously there is a profitable market for YOU, SgtGunner, to go sell them to the same needy market for less!

...no? why not? not profitable enough to you? well then...

dustind
September 15, 2004, 11:15 PM
telewinz: Would telling them about so-called "price gouging" be better than telling them all of the plywood was sold a long time ago and there is no supply?

bad_dad_brad
September 15, 2004, 11:26 PM
It is a simple concept. It is called "what the market will bear." The tenet of capitalism.

Everyone just wait a few months and you will be able to buy your favorite hi-cap mag at a reasonable price but right now . . . demand is high and supply is low, which will drive the price of any commodity up.

TaxPhd
September 16, 2004, 12:15 AM
I think I got it. The sentiment seems to be:

"I understand about the laws of supply and demand, but since something bad happened to me, those laws should be set aside, so that I can buy what I want at the price that I want to pay - regardless of what the market requires."

:barf:




Scott

bdhawk
September 16, 2004, 01:12 AM
i think that if someone takes advantage of someone by overcharging, we should not do business with them. that being said, we would be hard pressed to find anyone to do business with if we stuck with that policy.

mike dillon, for instance charges $8.99 for four grip screws. they are not gold or any other precious metal. he charges $4.95 for 1/2 ounce of oil. that's $1267.20 for a gallon!! what could possibly be in it it to make it cost that much? we don't really want to quit doing business with dillon?

I.D.P.A. has a rule, penalizing for 'failure to do right' rule. 'failure to do right' should apply to everyone doing business. in other words, would mike dillon want to pay $8.99 for four grip screws? i kinda doubt it.

Mr Jody Hudson
September 16, 2004, 04:50 AM
On the other hand, regarding Dillon, each of us could buy a box of grip screws for each of our pistols, for whatever the cost, stock them for perhaps decades, and have four grip screws any time we want for free... after paying for the box of screws, of course. :D

By the way, I want a really cool gold bracelet made of about 9 oz. of pure gold and crafted by a master goldsmith, because I sold mine decades ago.

Does anyone know where I can get such a bracelet made for say... $40 or $50 dollars - I was gouged on the last one and had to pay $5,000 for it when gold was at $40 an oz. which was certainly expensive... too expensive I thought at the time. Please let me know if you have a quart of gold fillings, or something or if you know of someone who does... perhaps for $1 plus the gouging shipping costs... ;) :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

jefmad
September 16, 2004, 08:26 AM
My favorite part is how nobody ever feels sorry for the vendor if they buy something for less than it cost to produce. Instead they come here and brag what a good deal they got. If you are going to try to get every last nickle out of your purchases do not resent they supplier when they have the upper hand, you used it to your full advantage then there was more supply than demand.

Jeff Timm
September 16, 2004, 08:26 AM
I'm in FL, outside the main damage area.

I had MOST of my emergency supplies in hand. I didn't expect a 6 day power outage.

The "trick" to avoiding "gouging" is PREPARATION! <Insert song "Be Prepared" here> I never expended my on-hand stock of batteries, and since Wal*Mart and Home Depot had big packs of batteries at their regular prices I bought replacements.

I sent my wife out of state to get her out of the heat. My brother-in-law and sister bought a generator for us and the wife brought it back. There were two left in Cleveland Ohio, people have been buying them and shipping to relatives in FL.

The retired CPO next door had his generator a long time. He wants a bigger one to run his A/C next time, as well as lights, fan, TV and Fridge.

Geoff
Who learns from his mistakes. BTW Novemeber 2003 Consumer Reports, article on back-up generators. I bought the Best Buy.
:D

TaxPhd
September 16, 2004, 11:00 PM
Hey Jeff, is the song "Be Prepared" the one that was done by Tom Leher?




Scott

twency
September 17, 2004, 03:09 AM
mike dillon, for instance charges $8.99 for four grip screws. they are not gold or any other precious metal. he charges $4.95 for 1/2 ounce of oil. that's $1267.20 for a gallon!!

Hmm, you probably have an inkjet printer attached to your computer. Do you realize that you're probably paying about $10,000 a gallon for the ink in the cartridges?
...
How Evil!
...
Not. It's what you are willing to pay for the stuff. If Mike Dillon is charging more than you're willing to pay for his oil, then buy it from somebody else. Is that particular oil not available elsewhere? Buy a similar but lower-priced competing product. Does nobody sells a lower-priced alternative, so you buy Dillon's product anyway? Then he isn't overcharging. He's simply charging what the market will bear. Same as with gold, gasoline, T-Bone steaks, 9x18 Makarov ammo, or any other item you might want to buy.

If you don't like the price, go elsewhere. Whether or not you eventually go elsewhere, a seller has (or should have) the right to choose the price at which he will offer his product for sale. Businesses aren't charities. Businesses survive and thrive by making a profit. Most businesses choose where they will make more profit, and where they will make less. They might mark up the flashlights 50% over cost, and mark up the batteries 100% over cost. They might mark up the reloading presses 20%, and the dies 75%. They might mark up their screws 500% over net cost. Maybe because there's some non-obvious (to you) significant overhead cost involved in reselling them. Maybe just because they can. It doesn't matter why. It's their choice to offer a product at a particular price. It's your choice to buy or not. And it's your right to tell others when there's a better deal available elsewhere.

The free-market system encourages competition, lowering prices and increasing availibility to a wider market for easily obtained goods, and serving as a distribution control mechanism for scarce, hard to obtain goods. And civilization is the better for it.

-twency

I am not associated with, employed by, or otherwise related to any company that makes or sells any of the products mentioned above.

ctdonath
September 20, 2004, 10:29 PM
Tom Lehrer: Be Prepared (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002KO8/qid=1095730097/sr=8-4/ref=carldonath/103-0555155-5583067?v=glance&s=music&n=507846)

You know: of all the songs I've ever sung, that is the one I've had the most requests not to.
I have time for one more here. This one is a little song dedicated to the Boy Scouts of America. [applause] We seem to have a convention here tonight. The Boy Scouts of America, those noble little... bastions of democracy, and the American Legion of tomorrow. Their motto is... I would like to state at this time that I am not now and have never been... a member of the Boy Scouts of America. Their motto is, as you know, Be Prepared! and that is the name of this song.

Be prepared! That's the Boy Scout's marching song,
Be prepared! As through life you march along.
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell.

Be prepared! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
Don't make book if you cannot cover bets.
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure
That they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them
When the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that it be shared.
Be prepared!

Be prepared! That's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed,
Be prepared! And be clean in word and deed.
Don't solicit for your sister, that's not nice,
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.

Be prepared! And be careful not to do
Your good deeds when there's no one watching you.
If you're looking for adventure of a
new and different kind,
And you come across a Girl Scout who is
similarly inclined,
Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared.
Be prepared!

ctdonath
September 20, 2004, 10:32 PM
jefmad summarizes it. Most people decry "price gouging", but nobody cares about the seller who is getting pennies for his dollar.

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