Just can't love the Springfield XD!


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Badger Arms
September 14, 2004, 04:59 PM
Not that I hate it, don't get me wrong. My problems with it lie in two areas. First, that darned grip safety. I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think it was designed for normal people (you know, people like me). I CANNOT reliably engage it without an awkward hand position. I try, but I still find myself half-engaging it and fumbling with it at the range. ARRRRgh. Yes, they do sell the cheesy tape-on pad, but I don't think it's a good thing to have things taped onto the safety of a defense gun!

http://www.xd-hs2000.com/images/xpresscartimages/10019.jpg

Now, to my second beef. The XD has a FOUR STAGE TRIGGER! Now, on this planet, most pistols I've tried do not have a mushy four stage trigger. If you count the funky dance my palm has to go through to depress the grip safety, that's really a five stage trigger! In fact, even the Ruger P94 I own has a ONE STAGE double action pull. Sheez. And it's positive, not mushy.

Now, don't get me wrong, EVERYTHING ELSE about the XD is perfectly fine with me. I love EVERY OTHER FEATURE. I'm sticking with the Glock 22. Anybody want to buy a Used XD40 and a Used HS2000 9mm?

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fix
September 14, 2004, 05:17 PM
You got a lemon. The trigger on mine is better than any Glock I've ever handled and is on par with any auto I've ever handled, except for the 1911. Take away the long reset, and it's actually approaching some of the stock 1911 triggers I've felt. Send it back.

George Hill
September 14, 2004, 05:41 PM
If they made a gun that "Fit Everybody" it would fit no one.

cerberus
September 14, 2004, 06:08 PM
If you have a defence gun that you are having second thoughts about if it will work when needed.:rolleyes: It's your life that going to be on the line when it's really needed.:confused: I would start looking for a replacment:)

hksw
September 14, 2004, 06:18 PM
How, exactly, are you holding the gun such that you cannot fully engage the grip safety?

Smoke
September 14, 2004, 06:36 PM
Me either. But I sure can like it.

The XD is the only polymer pistol that surpassed my expectations.

I still prefer a nice 1911 varient...but having spent a few hundred rounds playing with an XD I can see where it just might have a place in my collection some day. Still don't own one.....yet.

Smoke

Marshall
September 14, 2004, 06:49 PM
Agreed, you got a funky one! Bummer!

My XD-40's Trigger beats that of Glocks hands down and, the grip safety isn't even noticable to me.

WhoKnowsWho
September 14, 2004, 07:34 PM
The trigger on my XD is no where near a four stage thing... :uhoh:

SLCDave
September 14, 2004, 07:49 PM
I have an XD40, what do you want for the 9?

point_and_shoot
September 14, 2004, 08:14 PM
Badger I am right there with you on the safety thing. I might be referring to the wrong part but I believe it is called a "beavertail" safety. I too feel extremely awkward when handling these types of pistols. For whatever reason I feel like I am having to "think" about my grip or otherwise "try" to depress this type of safety. It is not a comfortable, relaxed, position of my hand to get the job done. I guess that is my main drawback with most 1911 style guns.

who me
September 14, 2004, 08:21 PM
Well I like my XD-9 SC. I have no problem with the grip safety and like others have said the trigger is awesome. Everybody that I let shoot it seem to like it also.

Flashpoint
September 14, 2004, 09:52 PM
Just can't love the Springfield XD! Not that I hate it, don't get me wrong.

Me too, but not for the same reasons.
The gun just sets too high in my hand, I don't like the way the plastic feels, and don't care for the finish. On the other hand everyone I have picked up has had a very nice trigger, not four stage by any means.

If I found one dirt cheap I might pick it up, but it would have to be dirt cheap.

YMMV :D

cratz2
September 14, 2004, 11:53 PM
I own a G23 and I have no plans on buying an XD any time soon. But, based on some very informal playing, I would strongly consider the standard XD over the G23 if I didn't have a 40 and was looking for one.

Overall, I do prefer the ergonomics of the XD to the Glock and stock for stock, I prefer the XD trigger, but both have been 100% reliable and I can hit targets at 7 yards equally well. Never noticed an issue with the grip safety though I've always prefered the standard profile 1911 grip safety to the 'speed bump' variety anyway.

Sactown
September 15, 2004, 01:44 AM
send it back to SA, there's something wrong with your trigger. My XD trigger is very good. Better than that glock 34 i had.

Skirmisher
September 15, 2004, 07:53 AM
Took my newly purchased Springfield XD40 to the range Monday and fired 100 rounds. The first 50 were in a 6-inch group, very disappointing. The second 50 rounds closed the group to 2-inches with most in the 10 ring. Very comfortable to shoot. Trigger very smooth. Sharper recoil than my .45 but expected with the muzzle velosity over 200 fps faster. Bought a DeSantis Speed Scabard holster and now am ready to carry this baby concealed during the winter months. My Kahr P9 in now my summer carry.:D Hubby is very impressed also.

ChevellRCR
September 15, 2004, 10:16 AM
How much do you want for the HS and the XD?

emc
September 15, 2004, 11:07 AM
Well, everyone has to decide what fits them best. While the overall design of a Glock is rather nice, for me the ergonomics are not terribly good. The typical Glock grip feels like I'm holding onto a 2x4. I've tried the Steyr M40, which shot beautifully, and pointed very naturally. BUT, the design of the grip and frame were such that the top of the backstrap smacked the base of the thumb right on the joint with every shot. After ten shots, it was not much fun anymore.

Different story with the XD series. I like them enough that I bought three! :D Accurate, reliable, and comfortable. For me, at least, what's not to like?

FWIW,

emc

Badger Arms
September 15, 2004, 03:22 PM
The trigger on my XD is no where near a four stage thing... Maybe I'm more sensative, but feel the trigger as you pull it. There are four distinct steps as each individual safety is deactivated. Not so with the Glock. Well, if it is the same, I haven't noticed.

TaranScorp
September 15, 2004, 05:00 PM
Have you tried the trigger on any other XD?

pittspilot
September 15, 2004, 07:11 PM
Just got my XD-9 SC.

Put 300 rounds through it a couple of nights ago. Not a wobble, although my thumb does have a tendency to ride the slide lock enough that the slide would not lock back on the last round.

I was very impressed with the trigger. I usually don't like striker fired pistols because of the trigger. It's not up to quality 1911 trigger. It's a little long and the reset is a touch long, but the weight was good.

I really like the gun. Especially considering its size. price and capacity.

Badger Arms
September 15, 2004, 11:04 PM
Yes. I did try one that I liked but the two that I own are both mushy four-staged. That said, the grip safety is still a problem.

Brad Johnson
September 16, 2004, 02:52 PM
Maybe I'm more sensative, but feel the trigger as you pull it. There are four distinct steps as each individual safety is deactivated. Not so with the Glock. Well, if it is the same, I haven't noticed.

Huh? The only safety you are deactivating with the trigger is the firing pin block, which is moved out of the way during the initial takeup. I am very trigger sensitive. I felt that the factory trigger was a little (make that a lot) stagey on the break, but a few minutes with some Flitz and a polish pad fixed that. Since then I have had no problems with my XD9 through 16,000-plus trouble free rounds. The sear travel is still longer than some of my other guns, but it's so buttery smooth that I barely notice any more.

If your trigger is that "notchy" sounds like it needs a trip back to SA, or at least to a good 'smith for a trigger job.

Brad

wrinkles
September 16, 2004, 04:30 PM
What kind of grip do you use? I have found it hard not to press the grip safety when I pick up my XD. My trigger feels realy smooth too although it does have a little overtravel.

Gameface
September 16, 2004, 07:07 PM
I was originally turned off by the trigger and grip safety, but the grip felt better than any of the other guns I was considering at the time. When I’m shooting I don’t even know that the grip safety is there and the trigger safety is just barely noticeable.

I was very, very happy with mine, but after a little rust and a lot of premature slide lock, besides a trip back to SA that didn’t solve anything, I’m now just pleased with my XD-40.

Gameface

bad_dad_brad
September 16, 2004, 08:19 PM
I don't care much for the XD. Hate grip safeties. It is top heavy. Don't like the trigger. It is goofy looking. I will stick with my Glocks. To rack the slide you have to engage the grip safety - don't like that at all - I think it is dangerous myself.

MaceWindu
September 16, 2004, 08:34 PM
I'm sticking with the Glock

I concur!!

Glock21....no grip safety, loaded chamber indicator, yada, yada....

(Okay I am waiting for the XD lovers barrage anytime now :neener: , this is fun!!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/Triggerman/Glock21001.bmp

MaceWindu

Warbow
September 16, 2004, 11:23 PM
I like mine. The trigger is good and the grip safety engages easily when I grip the pistol. The only thing I don't care for is the trigger safety; it's useless because of the grip safety.

MaceWindu, is the bright white lettering on your Glock factory standard? I've seen a few like that recently. Looks nice.

MaceWindu
September 17, 2004, 02:34 AM
is the bright white lettering on your Glock factory standard?


#1: Make sure there is no excess oil on your slide, wipe with a cloth and make sure the area is dry...

#2: Take a white crayon (YES, crayon..:D ) and go over your slide lettering, back and forth....

#3: Wipe off the excess crayon with baby oil.....

#4: DONE!!

MaceWindu

Warbow
September 17, 2004, 11:49 AM
Heh! Nice. :p

Big Mike
September 17, 2004, 04:58 PM
Is that a thumb safety on your XD? Thumb rest? I've never seen that before...


Mike

Brad Johnson
September 18, 2004, 05:02 PM
Hey, I'd like to know, too. I didn't notice that plastic "cap" thing on the beavertail until Mike just mentioned it. What the heck it it? I think I see the words "tactical" and "Made in Canada" on it. Looks to me like those edges would rub pretty bad. Also, it looks like it would force a significant repositioning your hand on the grip. That might very well be your grip safety problem.

Edited to add - I found the cap. It's made by Smart Lock Technology, Inc. ( www.smartlock.com ) and they make 'em for several different models. I really don't like the looks of it. Best guess is that it increases the width of at the rear of the slide by at least 0.2", and the goofy looking Mickey Mouse ears add another 0.5", which totally destroys the nice clean lines of the gun. Plus, the added material at the rear of the gun will definitely have an effect on how the grip safety is engaged. Remove it and I bet your grip safety problem goes away.

BradScroll down to see the XD model. (http://www.smartlock.com/products.htm)

Edited later to add - NOW WAIT JUST A COTTON-PICKIN' MINUTE! The pic at the top of this thread is the exact same pic on the Smart Lock web site for the XD product. Click here to see the manufacturer's installation page. The pic is at the bottom of the page. (http://www.smartlock.com/thumbrestXD-r.htm) Why didn't you tell us you'ld added an aftermarket gizmo that is, in all probability, the source of your problem?

Brad

Badger Arms
September 18, 2004, 07:21 PM
Also, it looks like it would force a significant repositioning your hand on the grip. That might very well be your grip safety problem.The picture at the top of the post is of the grip safety extension and it is indeed from their web site. That silly beavertail thingy is not on my guns, my guns are stock. That tape-on attachment was a possible solution, but I'm very dubious of taping something critical to the reliable operation of my gun. No, I'd never put that mickey-mouse beavertail on my gun just because of how it looks. Sorry about the confusion, I was really looking for an opinion on the little stick-on memory groove, not that other contraption. Since I didn't have a picture with JUST the stick on thingy, I took one from their web site.

Brad Johnson
September 18, 2004, 07:51 PM
Gotcha. I guess I'm still a little stymied about how the grip safety is causing problems. I have about the oddest hands I know - short and stubby but very wide. The grip safety on mine has never been an issue, I just grab the gun and fire.

You still want to part ways with that .40? If so, drop me a PM and let me know how much.

Brad

Knuckle_Dragger
September 19, 2004, 09:25 PM
.... and a lot of premature slide lock, besides a trip back to SA that didn’t solve anything....

The XD-40s are known for this problem (premature slide lock). This problem occurs during the feeding of odd numbered rounds from the magazine as odd rounds feed from the left side of the double stack mag and occasionally contact the internal slide lock lever. To solve your problem, you need to file or grind away a small amount of (shorten) the part of the internal slide lock lever that contacts the magazine follower. Just be carefull not to take off too much metal or your slide will not lock back after the last round is fired.

HTH!
K_D

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