Not rushing to buy


September 14, 2004, 11:36 PM
Am I the only one that did not want or need an assault weapon, or more magazines? I do not seem to have anything on my "want list" to run out and buy. Was I just extremely well prepared? Or does everyone's tastes change faster than mine?

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Standing Wolf
September 14, 2004, 11:44 PM
Truth to tell, if I were going to buy a center fire rifle, it would be a bolt action in a caliber that packs considerably more punch than .223. I've never heard of magazines holding more than ten rounds for the Walther PPK and model 1911; all the rest of my semi-automatic pistols are .22s for bullseye shooting, which entails loading five rounds at a time.

That saidâ„¢, the so-called "assault weapons" ban was an abomination and a disgrace, and I'm sure I'm celebrating as enthusiastically as everyone else.

September 14, 2004, 11:54 PM
Got all the "banned stuff" I need. Now I'm ready for more bolt action rifles that will produce the accuracy that I like. Glad as heck the ban is gone. What a dumb a** law in the first place.

September 14, 2004, 11:58 PM
The ban didn't really affect me much one way or the other... I mean, I didn't like it that anything was banned, but I wasn't exactly heartbroken that I couldn't buy a cheap AR with a bayonet lug.

I'm mostly into a 1911/CZ thing right now and I have 7/8/15+ round mags for them but I would like to have a few factory 14 round mags for my CZ PCR... But at $37 each... I'll stick with factory 10 rounders and the 40 cal Pro Mags from Natchez that hold 14 9mms.

September 15, 2004, 12:03 AM
As the well-known 'gun nut' in my office, I must have been asked about 10 times a day what I was going to buy now that the AWB is over. People look at me shock when I tell them I'm not buying a new gun, because what I could get today, is the same as I could last week. If anything, prices are going to see a small spike before supply catches the new demand.

Now, the second I hear that Congress is seriously debating a new ban...then my credit card better watch out.


September 15, 2004, 12:09 AM
Now, the second I hear that Congress is seriously debating a new ban... Which will also cause a spike in demand/prices.

September 15, 2004, 12:35 AM
I already have everything I need for the guns I have - I've got lots of 30rd mags for my post-ban HBAR. A guy at work sold them to me for $10 each after his kid picked them up on the Nat. Guard range where they were used once, dropped and left. This was in CA a few years ago! :)

I'm in the process of getting a FA Uzi, so some 40 and 50 rd mags would be nice for that.

September 15, 2004, 12:38 AM
AWB didn't really concern me too much either since I'm a revolver shooter.

However, my next gun is going to be an autoloader, and the concept of a new Para-Ordnance Hi-Cap .45 ACP with 14+1 capacity sure is a SWEET idea! :D

Didn't really care much about it until I got my CCW permit and bought my .38.....but after all the information I've read (both here and Oleg Volk's site in addition to others) I'm certainly glad it's over.

What a damned dumba** law to begin with; and Oleg and others are right: If this would have renewed, it could very well have ended up coming after MY gun and any other legally-owned gun in this country.


September 15, 2004, 12:54 AM
I mainly just want mags. Shooting only 10 rounds between mag changes when you could be plinking for a longer string is a bonus to the fun of shooting.

That being said, of the 31 pieces I have, 17 have removable magazines, and only 9 are ones I would like +10 magazines for. And my wife has two she would like +10 magazines for in her collection.

September 15, 2004, 01:26 AM
I was only a wee lad when the ban was first passed. I've got catchin' up to do!

September 15, 2004, 01:55 AM
There are no more "assault weapons". That decade is gone. Looks like you're stuck with boring old semi-auto rifles with standard issue magazines.

September 15, 2004, 07:33 AM
"Am I the only one that did not want or need an assault weapon, or more magazines?"



September 15, 2004, 07:35 AM
I'll wait for the fervor to die down and then replace a couple mags. I actually own a bayonet, but have never felt the need to put it on an AR. I'll save my excitement for when pulse rifles hit the racks:)

September 15, 2004, 08:05 AM
I'm buying lots of mags right now, cashing in on the LEO trade-in market (used G21 and G19 for $14? Will it EVER get better than that?). I don't even own a Glock anymore, but I'm planning on it, or at least they will make for good investments should a seperate mag cap ban come down again. Besides, 33 round G18 mags would make for a nice coffee table centerpiece :D

September 15, 2004, 08:11 AM
right now it is more of a waiting game till my 'smith can get me in to turn my ar barrels into the correct (threaded) barrels. I did order some LE mags cause I see them as a war trophy, for 10 years of putting up with the ban. I see in a few weeks getting a stripped lower and buying it as a pistol and this winter building a ar-15 pistol, just to have and maybe crack off a couple of shots with. other than that I have all the other stuff bought during the ban.

September 15, 2004, 08:34 AM
This sunset was still a victory in principle even if you don't plan to buy anything that was covered. I've heard it said that gun control should be called people control, as that's what it's about. That ban was all about certain members of the legislature who consider themselves to be royalty, and much more intelligent and enlightened than us peons, getting to control another facet of said peon's lives. All because we can't be trusted to be responsible.:fire:

Kind of reminds me of those "the more you know" PSA's on TV. Yeah, I need to be told to care about my children, and that racism is bad. How stupid and inept does Hollyweird think I am? I'm glad I have a bunch of actors to pat us on the head out here in flyover country. Without them, child abuse an lynchings would be out of control!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :barf: :barf: :barf:

Ala Dan
September 15, 2004, 08:42 AM
I agree with most of the comments thus far, as I didn't need
(or want) and assault weapon. Like our friend Standing Wolf
said, "if I were going to buy a rifle, it would be a bolt action
in a caliber larger than .223.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

September 15, 2004, 08:47 AM
I got all the big stuff i needed in the past...funny thing is that i need some hi cap ruger 10/22 mags......hahaha dont have any of those....

also I have a stripped AR receiver that I need to get built......

Dave Markowitz
September 15, 2004, 08:47 AM
What a bunch of party poopers!



September 15, 2004, 08:56 AM
I really didn't feel the ban much.

30 round AK mags were $6 during the ban
15 round beretta mags were $12
20 round CETME mags were $5

The only thing that was annoying was the $85 10/22 mags and glock mags.

Other than the whole BS nature of the ban itself.

September 15, 2004, 09:10 AM
Let's see...I already have 3 20 round mags for my M1A...I bought my HK USP Tactical in Germany and it came with 2 12 round (.45) mags. I might buy a couple of 12 rounders for my Sig 229, but I'm not in any hurry.

Actually, I'm hoping to see a price drop opn 'ban-era' Romy AK Klones. Then I'll get me one of those and slap a folder on it.

September 15, 2004, 09:27 AM
I'm looking around for an AR, really for no other reason than to celebrate the end of a bad law. Frankly I find handguns to be much more fun to shoot.

September 15, 2004, 09:55 AM
I first got into "non-hunting" guns right before the AWB. I wanted every hi-cap gun and magazine I could find.

After 8 years of wasting ammo and peppering targets, I got into more accurate shooting and pin shooting. You don't need more than 10 rounds for that stuff. Besides, the fat grips didn't fit my hands well.

I'm not real big on the AR or AK stuff. I like the classic bolt action. Must be my hunting/rural background.

That said I'm glad the AWB is dead (for now). The other law we really have to watch out for is the "ban sub 4 inch guns" like in Canada. Walter Mondale was a big proponent of this years ago. So the small 1911's and snubbies would then be outlawed.

It never ends...

September 15, 2004, 10:25 AM
been checking around.......
ffl holders still have the prices up there..and gradually lower them till they are sold.they are in the biz to make money after all.the private sellers..well..good luck selling a 1800 dollar ar now...or even a 1000 dollar ar now unless it has a bunch of bells and whistles.

my nephew wants one like the one he uses in the reserves minus the selectfire capability.Im going with him next weekend to help him find one that isnt over priced.the whole supply and demand thing aint going to fly,The AW ban is dead.


September 15, 2004, 10:29 AM
Ordered one CZ mag, need 3 more, then an AK for the wife, and an FAL for me. Will be sometime before I have the $ for those, so I am looking at the gunshops to see how cheap those WASR10 lowcap rifles will be going...10 rounds of 7.62x39 beats harsh language.

September 15, 2004, 10:37 AM
I do not seem to have anything on my "want list" to run out and buy.

I bought an LE Glock mag for a gun I don't even have, just because I could.

Sleeping Dog
September 15, 2004, 10:56 AM
I haven't bought anything "newly re-legal" yet. A large-cap mag would look a little funny in my 1911. And a flash-spreader would look funny on the stainless AR barrel.

But, I'm sure glad I CAN buy these things if I want.


September 15, 2004, 10:59 AM
Ever see that 33 round 1911 mag Col Cooper made right before the ban, just because he could? Dang thing was long enough to use as a cane...

September 15, 2004, 11:07 AM
I've never been interested in most of the guns affected by the ban. It wasn't until recently that I even owned a gun that could hold more than 10 rounds and it comes with more magazines than I'll need.

Of course, I'm glad to see it gone, but it doesn't "open any doors" for me.


Daniel T
September 15, 2004, 11:15 AM
Heh, Tamara, I was looking at the CDNN advertisement and I was seriously considering buying 5 or so Glock 17 17-rounders, just because. Then I came to my senses. :)

September 15, 2004, 11:48 AM



Colorado River....



September 15, 2004, 12:52 PM
I didn't "rush out" anywhere.

I just picked up the phone, ordered a bunch of No-Ban goodies, and then went back to cleaning my P7..


Sam Adams
September 15, 2004, 01:08 PM
I went to the Springfield Armory website

to check out their post-AWB prices on M1A mags. They've obviously not read a newspaper or watched the news recently, as they're still selling reconditioned 20-rounders for $95.00 :what:

I sent their sales dept. the following email, in the hopes that maybe Springfield would wake up:

To Whom It May Concern:

I have 1 suggestion and 1 question:

First, I suggest that you update the prices on your M1A magazines - we are now in a post-AWB world, and the prices that are on your website are outrageously high.

Second, I was wondering whether/when Springfield was going to start up production of NEW M1A magazines. I know a lot of owners of these fine rifles, and we've ALL been holding off on the purchase of new magazines until after the AWB was repealed. If you don't start production and sales soon, you will lose out on a LOT of business.

FYI, there are several websites selling unused 20-round mags made before 9/14/94 for $19.99. I would suggest that you could sell as many as you can make for $15.00 or so retail - and you'll still make a large profit, since we are essentially talking about a stamped metal box containing a spring and an easily manufactured follower.

Anyone interested in reasonably priced M1A mags should send them a similar email or letter, or call them up. I felt totally ripped-off a year ago to buy 4 mags at about $37.00 each, and that was a good price then. Sorry, but now we are talking about a commodity that any metal-stamping company can make, and the price should be well below $20.

To answer the main question - no, I'm not going to rush to purchase new (or LE) mags for what I've got. I'll get them, but only when they're reasonably priced. The free market should take care of that. If it doesn't, my new C&R license and the wide availability of CHEAP BUT EFFECTIVE rifles that have been imported from numerous countries will take care of any extra dollars in my wallet. Manufacturers like Springfield had better wake up - and SOON - or they will lose a lot of business.

September 15, 2004, 01:15 PM
No, you are not the only one.
Don't get me wrong, I own plenty of AR15s along with a several handguns that take magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rounds. However, dispite what the liberal news media reports, I bought all I could possibly ever need DURING the so called ban when they were just as legal as they are today or as they were 15 years ago. I think I ought to be able to get by on the 60 or so AR15 mags I have. The two dozen Browning High Power mags I have, the 50+ Sten magazines I have..................................... The ban didn't prevent me from buying anything as we all know.

Ok, I guess I do need more M1A/M14 mags: I only have about a dozen of the 20 rounders.

cracked butt
September 15, 2004, 01:24 PM
I figure that I'll let the dust settle a bit before buying anything. I think its possible that the AWB sunset has caused an increased demand for things that were already obtainable, therefore keeping the prices up. In six months to a year, I can see things getting back to normal, and then I'll shop for an AR with some nice standard magazines. Of course if new bills get endorsed by the house or senate, all bets are off.

Nathaniel Firethorn
September 15, 2004, 01:33 PM
I've got no burning urge to own an AR or anything like it.

- pdmoderator

September 15, 2004, 01:44 PM
AR's had them before the bans end and to be honest I like my 20inch sans anything on the muzzel. I don't want a flash hider and could care less about bayonets.

I have 14 30 round magazines for my ARs so no big need there.

I have 12 20 round magazines for the M1A so no big need there.

Most of my handguns are single stack in nature whether 9x19 or .45 so no impact there.

Basically what it comes down to for me is I ordered 5 12 round magazines for my P229 .40 because they were dirt cheap, way cheaper then 10 rounders. That gives me 5 12 rounders and 5 10 rounders for this gun and the 10-12 round difference is a moot point to me the cheap price was not.

I also ordered 3 magazines for my P226 9mm to add to my 3 15 rounders that I already owned again simply because 18.99 was just too cheap to pass up.

The two main things that the ban affected me with was our Walther P99 as the difference between 10 and 16 rounds is significant and the fact that I wanted a collapseable stock on our Shorty AR.

So I will buy about six P99 normal capacity magazines and I am ordering another AR lower with a collapseable stock to put on my shorty while the shorty lower will become my dedicated .22 lower.

If the ban had not sunsetted I would have been angry from a rights standpoint but could really have cared from an actual need or wants standpoint.


September 15, 2004, 03:04 PM
Freedom means being able to exercise your God given rights through personal choice. You may not want to rush out and buy anything, but now you CAN.

Sam Adams
September 15, 2004, 03:15 PM
I received the following from Springfield - and I am disappointed:

We have not made any changes to the M1A line up yet. I would recommend
checking back in about 30 days.


Customer Service Department
Springfield Incorporated
420 W Main Street
Geneseo, Illinois 61254

September 15, 2004, 03:24 PM
i already got my "hi-cap" mags. a whole two more rounds. ooooooooohhhh. but it was the principal of the thing. i'm just waiting for JLD enterprises to put out the PTR-91 with flash hider and collapsible stock. when those hit the shelves i'll buy one. need to get me and AK variant too.


Harry Tuttle
September 15, 2004, 03:44 PM
i want to teach my daughters how to shoot the AR
so i'm ordering a telescoping stock

Sleeping Dog
September 15, 2004, 06:20 PM
If you get a telescoping stock, do you need to also replace the buffer tube, buffer, buffer spring, anything else?


September 15, 2004, 06:33 PM
I'm actually kinda sorta hoping that prices on revolvers may make a downward adjustment. I need more 625s more than I need more AR mags - right now it is about a 1 to 25 ratio.

September 15, 2004, 06:46 PM
Personally, the AWB was a matter of principle. I have mostly single stack pistols and bolt rifles.

There's a Glock 21 safe queen that already had a collection of normal cap mags to which I've just added 2 LE marked ones - just for the novelty of the marking. The Bushie dissipator's LOP is already too short - getting one adjustable to fit even less well isn't a priority.

However, yesterday I spotted an 1899 Gustaf Swedish Mauser I HAD to have. And it had a THREADED MUZZLE. How 'bout that - a 105 year old bolt action with an evil feature.

September 15, 2004, 07:05 PM
Even though I have hi-caps for my autos, I want to get factory full-caps for my PT92 and 92F. The aftermarkets have issues.

September 15, 2004, 08:43 PM
no, necktieman, you are not the only person that does now want an assault rifle. John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy don't seem to need one today either.

I do know what you mean to some extent. I have an adequate number of magazines, and gadgets. I have preban, and post ban rifles. I did find though, that like some others, I picked up the phone, and ordered stuff that I did not really NEED, but did it cause I could. PHHHHHHT to the liberals. :D

September 15, 2004, 09:31 PM
"You may not want to rush out and buy anything, but now you CAN."

I know I am preaching to the choir here: pretty much everyone on this board knows the details of the so called "ban". But with all the BS that was expelled over the last couple weeks, I feel the need to point out at every opportunity that we COULD buy all this same stuff last month, last year, nine years ago................ Contrary to all the drivel put out by the anti's, nothing new was unveiled this week. It is just the same stuff. It might be cheaper, it might be newer, but it is still the same stuff.
Again, I realize this is nothing new to any regular on this board or anyone that bothered to become informed on the issue, but obviously, many people are not informed on the issue (members of the general public and the so called "news" media).

September 15, 2004, 10:01 PM
I've been waiting for the AWB to sunset so that I could pick up my first "evil black rifle" but it seems that the supply has not yet caught up with the demand (nor have prices, for that matter) and every gun shop I called said they'd have to order the model I wanted.

I think I'll wait a few weeks and then go shopping again, unless I hear that another ban is in the works. My beautiful Winchester 94's will tide me over until then. :)

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