Colt or Bushmaster


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pellethead
September 15, 2004, 12:11 PM
I want a M4. Anyone have an opinion?

Thanks
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Bartholomew Roberts
September 15, 2004, 12:20 PM
Well, the rumor mill is suggesting that Colt will not allow its LEO-style rifles to be sold to the general public and will cut off dealers who do sell to the public.

If that rumor proves to be true and I had a choice between Bushmaster, who was proudly selling their LEO line to the public yesterday and Colt, who was trying to appease the antis, I would have to go with Bushmaster - even though Colt does better QC on their military/LEO rifles.

pellethead
September 15, 2004, 12:31 PM
Is it a fact about the QC? I might even spend the extra $ and get a Wilson if I have to.

Mulliga
September 15, 2004, 01:47 PM
Go Bushmaster. Colt's announcement is just the latest in a long line of strange moves from Hartford, whereas Bushie already has post-post-ban models on its website. :)

Amish_Bill
September 15, 2004, 04:11 PM
I have a more basic reason for not going Colt...

Bushmasters don't have any non-standard size parts or odd inner dimensions.

Bartholomew Roberts
September 15, 2004, 04:31 PM
Is it a fact about the QC? I might even spend the extra $ and get a Wilson if I have to.

That is just my opinion, nothing more and is based on my own limited experiences.

On the other hand, I've also found that while Colt's seem less likely to have issues, their customer service was really, really poor when you do have problems (though this was several years ago).

Bushmaster on the other hand has always been great in the customer service department and handles things promptly.

If you decide you are willing to pay the extra $$$ to guarantee reliability, take a look at http://mstn.biz/ - They have an outstanding reputation when it comes to building highly-accurate and reliable AR15s.

ilmonster
September 15, 2004, 04:32 PM
Some reasons to go with colt:

Mil spec - i.e. bushmaster doesn't parkerize under sight base for ex., colt does per mil spec.
Colt magnaflux's and proof tests "all" bolts and barrels
M4 feed ramps on Colts M4 models (6920 or 6400C)
Non-std. FCG pins, but even Bushy makes replacement ones-not an issue
Thermoset handguards-withstand heat better-won't melt!
Chrome lined M4 barrels and chambers
Final seal on anodizing
Correct radius on magwell-mags drop free
etc.

HankB
September 15, 2004, 04:45 PM
In addition to non-standard pins, Colt's also puts a steel block in the lower to make it more difficult to work on the trigger. (Not sure if this is present in "LEO Only" versions) And Colt's bias against civilian sales of rifles with "evil" features is well known.

And my experience with Colt's NON-service for warranty work soured me on them.

I have a Bushmaster standard rifle and am very pleased with it.

Amish_Bill
September 15, 2004, 05:26 PM
Listing a chrome lined barrel as a plus for Colt over Bushmaster is a bit disingenuous, as they both have chrome lined barrels. Actually, for a while Colt wasn't even giving you a complete chrome bore & chamber, depending on which barrel you bought. They might still be going cheap on that - I don't know.

ilmonster
September 15, 2004, 05:29 PM
You are correct about the chrome bores not being std. on all civilian models. I know the 6920 and 6400C though do have chrome lined chambers and barrels.

Fatcat
September 15, 2004, 07:42 PM
LMT.

:D

(though I'd go bushy over colt, just because bushmaster fights for our RKBA more than colt does...)

Beren
September 15, 2004, 08:24 PM
My Mall Patrol Rifle is almost finished, just waiting on my LMT BUIS.

Other major components:

LMT 16" Upper & bolt
Bushmaster Lower
ACE ARFX Skeleton stock
KAC RAS-II

I'll have an Aimpoint sight and mount on order soon.

I have a Stag lower that I'll build up in a month or so. It'll get an LMT "Crane" stock - not yet sure from there.

My recommendation?

Go with Bushmaster over Colt, simply due to Colt's attitude towards the civilian market. If you must have Colt, buy used. Otherwise, go with LMT or Bushmaster. (LMT does have the M4 feed ramps, btw.)

bad_dad_brad
September 15, 2004, 10:33 PM
Both Bushmaster and Armalite are already advertising on their web sites AR-15s that are post AWB ban legal. Colt is not.

I have a Bushmaster and it is totally mil-spec, a fine rifle, quality all around, and the company has the right attitude. Colt has a negative attitude.

stevelyn
September 16, 2004, 09:45 AM
Get a Bushmaster, Armalite, or RRA. Colt's too busy trying to kiss up to the antis.

HankB
September 16, 2004, 10:45 AM
I have a Bushmaster and it is totally mil-spec, So it has the three-round burst feature? Along with all the other M16 components?

Hope it's legally registered with the BATmen.

Civilian-legal, post'86 AR15 clones can be close to mil spec, but unless the military is specifying rifles without full auto or burst control, they're not "totally" mil-spec. But from what I've read, Bushmaster is about as close as you'll get. Correct radius on magwell-mags drop free This works just fine on my Bushmaster - I don't see a Colt "advantage" here.

Amish_Bill
September 16, 2004, 10:58 AM
The only mag well I've runinto that wasn't properly radiused was a stop-sign SGW / Olympic.

ballistic gelatin
September 16, 2004, 11:19 AM
I had a RockRiver 16" a couple of years ago and it was awesome. Then I sold it. What an id10t. :banghead:

El Rojo
September 16, 2004, 11:38 AM
Another vote for Bushmaster. Standing up for our RKBA should be a factor. Plus they make good guns and cost less.

Wildalaska
September 16, 2004, 01:10 PM
For those of you who have missed it, Colt has announced that they wont be puting the nasties on civvy guns and that LEO guns will remain destined for LE and military only.

I have had extensive conversations with Colt about this, as well as with two other very large Colt LE distributors (like us).

All of us agree that the deicsion makes sound financial and business sense for Colt. If you fail to see why, you are more interested in spouting off the same tired rhetoric than you are in focusing your energies in making America a better place for gun dealers. I wont waste energy debating it here, but Beren, if you for one would like to discuss it in private manner, gimme a call

Keep in mind in this equation that Colt is a manufacturer, Bushie and the rest are not (using manufacturing in the context of making guns as opposed to just assembling)

On the other hand, Colt boycotters make it easier for the rest of us as the supply of Colt AR15s is extremely limited and at least in our case, dealers are placing orders as fast as I can get em in.

Looks like there are gonna be two classes of AR owners..those who dont internet whine, and quietly and within the law end up with a Colt, and those who do whine and dont, then waste energy justifying themselves by contending that what they have is better for their "combat" needs, despite the fact that for most of us, combnat is rolling off the Laz Z Boy into a low crawl towards the fridge so SWMBO dont see us on the ice cream raid.

BTW...I own a Bushie M4gery for the main reason that Colt cant produce the model I want. Colts are noticably smoother, better finished and do have the M4 ramp. That being siad, for a fat armchair commando like me, those rails make no diff at all.

WildnowbacktothenextgrupbuyAlaska

Correia
September 16, 2004, 01:25 PM
Wildalaska,

I guess I'm just stupid, but despite the fact that I am a business/finance professional, I'm missing the part where pissing off large numbers of customers is a wise business decision.

I guess I've just swallowed the old tired rhetoric, but if my company went out of its way to make its customers feel stupid, I can't imagine that being a sound choice.

Please enlighten us serfs.

cslinger
September 16, 2004, 01:54 PM
I too would like to know why it makes business sense other than attempting to circumvent possible legal action in the future, which in reality probably won't matter to the Anti's anyway.

I have been on these forums a long time and you know me not to be a troll or somebody who just wants to start stuff or tow the company line so to speak. I am generally interested in the financial reasoning behind this as I can personally not see it.

If you think this is something that will fire up a flamefest then I would be happy to PM you.

Chris

Harry Tuttle
September 16, 2004, 02:04 PM
its a CYA move so products designed for combat are not sold to the general public

they only sell "sporters" to johnny sixpack

sporters to not accept military uppers or fire control parts

HankB
September 16, 2004, 03:05 PM
All of us agree that the deicsion makes sound financial and business sense for Colt. Ummm . . . I apologize in advance if you find this offensive, but from reading your post, doesn't the "us" you write of comprise Colt distributors carrying on a business (financial) relationship with Colt?

Business relationships can sometimes cloud one's objectivity a bit.

Duke of Lawnchair
September 16, 2004, 03:25 PM
All of us agree that the deicsion makes sound financial and business sense for Colt. If you fail to see why, you are more interested in spouting off the same tired rhetoric than you are in focusing your energies in making America a better place for gun dealers. I wont waste energy debating it here, but Beren, if you for one would like to discuss it in private manner, gimme a call

Give the man a call.

Wildalaska
September 16, 2004, 04:14 PM
Cor, cslinger if ya want to discuss with me prvately for your own edification, feel free to call

HankB that is offensive. Ya'll want to say that I am or will be have been gouging with respect to Colt products? That pisses me off. Or is it the mere fact that I consider ourselves to be a representive of a fine company that "clouds my judgement"? And how much is your judgement clouded by your won personal worldview as set forth in the rhetoric in your post.

By the way, I didnt say that I liked the decision, I only said I agreed with it in a business sense

And why am I even debating this

WildandwiththatbacktoworkAlaska

vanfunk
September 16, 2004, 04:30 PM
Why is it that Colt is often villified for concentrating on their military contracts, at the assumed expense of civilian sales? No other defense contractor I am aware of has to run such a gauntlet of irritated civilian consumers. Does anyone mind that Lockheed-Martin concentrates on fighter-jet production instead of commercial pleasure craft? Colt's military sales are it's bread and butter and it's civilian sales are a relatively minor end of the business; perhaps someone "in the know"can expain to me why I should be upset about this.

As to the battle of the "M4's", I can comment on my experience with "M4" versions as curently manufactured by Colt, Bushmaster and Armalite. I went through several Bushmasters and an Armalite before concluding that my Colt M4 was the best of them in all areas that mattered to me - initial build quality, accuracy and reliability. My Colt has now gone through almost 3000 rounds unerringly, with minimal ham-fisted maintenance. My Bushmaster and Armalite carbines had nagging functional issues. The Bushmasters had numerous initial build quality problems, such as the much-lamented over-torqued barrel, tight magwell, loose gas key, etc.

Does my experience "prove" that the Colt is better? No, obviously not. If my Colt, Bushmaster and Armalite are representative samples of the breed, then yes, my Colt IS the better of them.
The fact is, IMO, that almost all of these weapons work well for what most of us use them for - blazing through ammo at the range. The fact that Colt is the only manufacturer that magnafluxes all their barrels, bolts and carriers (as well as shot-peens the carriers) and performs many quality checks that the others don't, prolly isn't going to make much of a difference on the range. Might it under hard use? Maybe. Is it worth it? Well, that's a personal decision based on one's level of concern and financial freedom. My Colt M4 was only $30 more that the similarly equipped Bushmaster - it was certainly worth it to me.

The trigger pin issues are a concern to some, and not to me. Spares are readily available in all sizes in the extremely unlikely event of a failure. Sear blocks? Well, I don't have a DIAS and don't plan on spending the 6 grand for one, so it matters little to me. RRA receivers have a shelf that make it impossible to use a DIAS without milling (like Colt), but we don't hear much complaining about that. Push Pins? Colt has used standard front and rear push pins for the last few years, but the misinformation to the contrary persists.

I still have a Bushmaster 20" A3 and I like it. The barrel's too heavy (damn HBAR!) but it's accurate and it works fairly well. My Colt AR's work better and are put together better, so they're what I like. I think the Colt M4 is better than other versions because what I know of its construction and performance leads me to believe that it is the better weapon.
Does that matter when I'm at the range next to the guy shooting the Bushie M4A3? I don't have a problem with his choice, but he usually has a problem with mine. :banghead: Oh well.

Thanks for listening,
vanfunk

HankB
September 16, 2004, 05:03 PM
Hoo boy . . . sounds like I touched a sore nerve, but I maintain that business relationships can, and do, influence a person's objectivity. I'd expect a Chevy dealer to tout the virtues of Chevy trucks, a Dell salesman to praise Dell computers . . . and a Colt LE distributor to praise Colts LE products. For exactly the same reasons.

But just to be clear, Wildalaska, I never said a word - NOT ONE WORD - about you gouging your customers - YOU and YOU ALONE used the word and brought it into the debate. If you take offense against something I actually said, fine - I'm a big boy, I can deal with that.

But don't make something up, imply it came from me, and then use your own rhetoric to piss yourself off - at that point you're 'way out of line.

ny32182
September 16, 2004, 05:04 PM
My Bushmasters have thousands of rounds through them with no issues at all. They go bang, EVERY time.

They also have 4150 chrome lined barrels, full weight semi carriers, lower receivers that are normal in every way, and metal buffers. They are much closer to mil-spec than almost all of Colt's civilian lineup.

The only Colt that stacks up, IMO, is the MT6400c carbine.

Regardless of their reasoning, Colt's politics are also annoying, but thats not why I bought Bushmasters. I was thinking of getting an MT6400c, but will only really consider it hard if they put on a flash suppressor, bayonet lug, and collapsible stock. My new LMT upper is the best looking upper I've ever seen, after handling examples of just about everything, and it IS, to my knowledge, absolutely 100% milspec except for possibly the barrel length... not sure if there are any 16" M4 profiles in use by the military. Can't wait to let her rip when the lower gets back from Lauer. FWIW.

Wildalaska
September 16, 2004, 05:16 PM
Vanfunk, nice post...

I note that QC probs that occasionally surface at Bushmaster are minimized if ya build me yerself....

Hank B yer the one who raised the biz end to attack my veracity. I wasnt talking about product quality, I was talking about Colts business needs. Im better off if they sell to the public arent I...? Or are you implying that Im not.....

Accordingly, whose the one out of line?

WildenoughAlaska

..
September 16, 2004, 05:54 PM
Defenitely Bushy. Colt is wishy washy about civie sales, they have odd pins and are no better than Bushy but charge more. Don't waste your dollars.

WalkerTexasRanger
September 16, 2004, 06:07 PM
Ford vs. Chevy....

I will add, DPMS makes an M4 clone as well, so does RRA.

All are good guns. Get what you can find and give your money to the company whose policies you agree with. You will still be getting a damn fine rifle.

Lone_Gunman
September 16, 2004, 08:53 PM
How will Colt know if a dealer is selling their rifles to non-law enforcement personnel?

Is the reason they are not selling rifles with bayonet lugs and flash hiders to regular citizens because of liability fears? If so, I dont understand why the would sell any rifle to the public. The Beltway sniper used a post ban rifle, and Bushmaster had to pay out.

If Colt doesn't want to sell their guns to the public, they have every right. I have been happy with every Colt product I have ever owned and certainly aren't trying to bash them, but I sure don't understand their business strategy at times.

They let Ruger take over the single action revolver market by not realizing their was an interest in sub-$1000 revolvers.

They never even made a legitimate attempt to market a Wonder-Nine in the '80s.

They let Kimber and Springfield dominate the 1911 market.

And now they are going to give all the AR business to Bushmaster?

Do they still even have large military contracts? I thought I had read the FN was contracting with the military now.

mordrid52
September 16, 2004, 11:36 PM
Do they still even have large military contracts? I thought I had read the FN was contracting with the military now.

FN got the contract for the M16A2s. Colt still has the contract for the M4 rifles. At least until the military stops using them. (http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_XM8,,00.html) At that point, Colt will probably go out of business unless they make some serious changes to their business model.

TODD3465
September 17, 2004, 11:20 AM
Oh boy seems this pops up at least once a month.

Out of the 6 AR's I've owned or own only Colt has not given me trouble.

Buy the Colt I currently own 2 M-4 Sporters(6400c) models.

And IF, Colt goes belly up it'll be worth more anyhow.
:D

vanfunk
September 17, 2004, 01:39 PM
".." wrote:
Defenitely Bushy. Colt is wishy washy about civie sales, they have odd pins and are no better than Bushy but charge more. Don't waste your dollars.

Again, what exactly is this "wishy-washy" thing about civilian sales? Colt has never stopped selling AR's, ever. Colt AR's have gone through periods of drought, certainly, and there have been interruptions in production due to financial reorganization and military production needs. Would anyone actually contend that it would be better to keep AR's in production for the civilian market and undercut the procurement needs of the US armed forces? As to the whole "neutered AR" thing during Colt's Blue Label period, well, it's really a matter of personal preference. I know I'm not going to win over anyone who truly feels that Colt sold out to the anti's when they dropped the bayonet lugs from production (although I don't see it that way at all). It's just not a big issue for me and I've never missed having a bayonet on my rifle. The quality of the rifles made during that period (in my experience) was excellent, lug or no lug. As to wasting dollars, I have to disagree there as Colt AR's tend to hold their value far better than the competition.

I prefer Colts, but that is not to say I think all other brands are junk (inferior, yes:evil: , but junk, no). I'm of the opinion that 99% of the ARs available today from any major manufacturer are perfectly capable of performing well in the civilian environment. All manufacturers have put out problem weapons as well. If your $400 mongrel, parts kit, smorgasboard franken-AR works well, then that's great! Having fun with these things is what most of us own them for. I don't feel that I got "taken" with my $900 Colt because your $400 kit gun works well, nor will I look down my nose at you for owning it. The kit gun that works doesn't automatically render my Colt an "overpriced piece of crap", either. Run 'em both hard until something breaks- I'll put my wages on the Colt running longer.

As always, one really can't go too far wrong with an AR these days (except with a Vulcan / Hesse Arms:what: ). Buy what you like and shoot, shoot, shoot! Of course, you'll shoot better if you buy a Colt!:D

vanfunk

Duke of Lawnchair
September 17, 2004, 01:43 PM
Of course, you'll shoot better if you buy a Colt!

Shoot better???

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

I just wanna LOOK better! :D

vanfunk
September 17, 2004, 01:57 PM
Oh, you'll look better allright!

Everbody knows that ponies are sexier than snakes!:neener:

Duke of Lawnchair
September 17, 2004, 03:58 PM
Oh man, GOOD TIMES!

3rdpig
September 17, 2004, 11:57 PM
Someone asked how Colt will know if someone is selling their law enforcement only guns. I'm in the market for an AR and was just looking around when I found this auction. Price is probably going to wind up about triple what I want to spend, but I still find it interesting that a gun dealer is already selling LEO rifles to civilians that Colt doesn't us to have.

Link to AR sale on auction arms (http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=6076172)

30Cal
September 21, 2004, 10:52 PM
Why is it that Colt is often villified for concentrating on their military contracts, at the assumed expense of civilian sales?

vanfunk is dead-on.

Bingo. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Colt is moving through a "Lean Transformation" (the split into Commercial and Military firms is a dead giveaway) and the civilian rifle market product lines are now a square peg in a round hole. I'd be surprised if the HBAR is in their civilian catalog next year.

It's purely a business decision based on streamlining their engineering, manufacturing, marketing and distribution costs, not to mention the liability exposure from selling "evil" rifles to civilians.

Ty

Amish_Bill
September 21, 2004, 11:00 PM
Are Colt LE rifles built on properly spec'd lowers or the bastardized Civy lowers?

Atticus
September 22, 2004, 07:53 AM
If the quality of Colt rifles (which is good) matched the quality of their business decision making- they would be called High Point. Their philosophy always seems to be, " If the people want it - don't market it".
They are not a market drive company - they are a government contract driven company...and for good reason - the free market would let them die.

Highpower1
September 22, 2004, 08:34 AM
RockRivers

Gewehr98
October 29, 2004, 11:15 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/Falcon007/ColtAWBltr.jpg

ny32182
October 30, 2004, 03:06 AM
My favorite shop is able to obtain Colt LE rifles, and intends to sell them to civilians, in defiance of Colt policies.

Personally, I don't give a ???? what Colt's "motivation" is. They will NEVER see a dollar from me. In the words of a friend of mine, who owns half a dozen SBR lowers and has been around ARs/M16s for serious purposes for decades, "you couldn't trade me two colts for an LMT".

There are superior manufacturers out there who don't carry Colt's BS politics. Go elsewhere.

Wildalaska
October 30, 2004, 04:18 AM
In the words of a friend of mine, who owns half a dozen SBR lowers and has been around ARs/M16s for serious purposes for decades, "you couldn't trade me two colts for an LMT".

Even better than an internet expert...an anonymous internet expert....


There are superior manufacturers out there who don't carry Colt's BS politics.

And tell us what those politics are....you are a Colt executive I presume?


WildisntitgettingsillyAlaska

standingbear
October 30, 2004, 09:57 AM
I am not impressed with colt much these days...especially their snobbery towards us commoners when it comes to getting what we want when its legally obtainable now.
yeah..let them sell their products to LE or govt sales so they dont offend the polically correct blisninnies running things there.surly no commoner like me needs to buy their namebrand stuff anyhow,not that I could afford any of it anyhow.
Ill stick with my bushmaster and be able to have the pins and goodies that fit it available.If ya'll want a colt,get a "colt" politically correct rifle and pay someone to work on them to fit those evil features.

anyone that tells me I cant have something that is legal now..well..I'LL just shop elsewhere.

Randy63
October 30, 2004, 03:33 PM
A Colt at a fair price = Better resale value down the road.

Me....I like a purchase that makes better economic sense in the long run.

Randy

motorep
October 30, 2004, 04:15 PM
I've got one or two each of- Colt, Bushmaster, DPMS, Olympic Arms. They're all good rifles. They all run 100%. Given the choice when buying a new rifle I'd buy a Bushmaster over the others just because of the outstanding customer service I received from them on one occasion. If a situation arose when I needed one immediately/life or death situation I'd grab whichever was at hand.

BluesBear
October 31, 2004, 10:29 AM
Thanks to my friend Gewehr98 for sharing,with us, that Colt communiqué.

After reading it several times I can't help but notice, besides the grammatical errors, two very important sentences.

In the first paragraph, regarding Magazines;

"Manufacturing capacities dictates that Colt serves these markets fully without any interuption in the flow of material to these important customers."

In the second paragraph regarding Law Emforcement Rifles;

"Manufacturing capacities dictate that the requirements of our US Government and Law Enforcement customers be served first and fully."

I ran those paragraphs by several High School students and had then dissect them looking for the Who, What, When, Where, Why and How.

The Why always boiled down to those tow sentences quotes above.

It appears that, based soley upon the above information, Colt, at thr present time, doesn't have the capacity to produce enough magazines or evil black rifles to satisfy the market demands.

Nowhere does it say they will never sell the previously restricted items to Joe Averageman. Nowhere does it say to whom the products may be resold. It simply says that Colt doesn't have enough to go around right now.

Colt is an "Order Driven" company. The US Military orders come first.
Period.
Right now that is Colt's bread & butter. LE Distributors are next in line. They know that in order to maintain a constant supply they have to submit a standing order. That leaves the Commercial Distributors last in line.

Now Distributors have their own pecking order in the way they service their dealers.
The larger stocking deals have standing orders with their distributors. They get first choice on the goodies.

Joe Schmuck Gunshoppe, who never orders a single item from his Colt distributor, unless he has a customer foaming at the mouth, for it is going to have a devil of a time getting anything other than a Keychain or Baseball cap that says Colt on it.


So if you want a real Prancing Pony Evil Black Rifle just find a dealer who has a good relationship with a Colt LE Distributor and become a good customer.

Most people don't realize that the gun business is still a Good Ol' Boy system. When a good piece comes in, it's friends and preferred customers that get first crack at it.


Another hint. Dropping by a gunshop once a year, pressing your nose against the glass, asking to look at every gun in the case while complaining about the price, pawing through every holster hanging on the wall (putting half of them back on the wrong hooks) while whining about the lack of selection and grabbing 17 free catalogues on your way out after spending a whopping $1.37 on a single box of Aguila Super Colibri ammo doesn't make you a preferred customer.

Wildalaska
October 31, 2004, 01:15 PM
It appears that, based soley upon the above information, Colt, at thr present time, doesn't have the capacity to produce enough magazines or evil black rifles to satisfy the market demands.

Add to that...due to the M4 contract alone, they can barely get pistols out.....

Colt is making herculean efforts to increase production....but military comes first....

By the way, tried to get a Trijicon lately?

LE Distributors are next in line. They know that in order to maintain a constant supply they have to submit a standing order.

Note that larger orders get prference too a bit....Joe Blow LE distribtor ordfers one gun and may wait longer than some one who orders 90

When a good piece comes in, it's friends and preferred customers that get first crack at it.

I bet so many guys who whine about Colts do so becasue they cant get em...I see that all the time...a guy comes in, cant afford a SIG or a Colt, then proceeds to lecture me about how a Bresa or a Charles Daly is a superior weapon

WilddancinhorseAlaska

spacemanspiff
October 31, 2004, 04:03 PM
Another hint. Dropping by a gunshop once a year, pressing your nose against the glass, asking to look at every gun in the case while complaining about the price, pawing through every holster hanging on the wall (putting half of them back on the wrong hooks) while whining about the lack of selection and grabbing 17 free catalogues on your way out after spending a whopping $1.37 on a single box of Aguila Super Colibri ammo doesn't make you a preferred customer.

no wonder WA always treats me like one of his enslaved employees. its always 'take this paperwork to the girls, and tell them it needs this, that, and the other thing.' 'mop this floor!' 'clean this gun!' 'show that customer where the latrine is!'

so will i get preferred treatment if i buy a brick of .22 ammo?

spacemanitwastoocoldforthisaleuttoshootthismorningspiff

Wildalaska
October 31, 2004, 05:34 PM
no wonder WA always treats me like one of his enslaved employees. its always 'take this paperwork to the girls, and tell them it needs this, that, and the other thing.' 'mop this floor!' 'clean this gun!' 'show that customer where the latrine is!'

Preferred customers not only get discounts, they get to work too...

WilditwascoldthisamAlaska

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