Weatherby's calibers still in use?


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TK73
September 15, 2004, 12:15 PM
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen:

I have joined the fine THR forum as a member yesterday after visiting it for a couple of months. During that time I have learned quite a lot. Thanks

I have a question out of pure curiousity, as I didn't hear nor read much about any of Roy Weatherby's calibers being in use anymore. Short Magnums and Ultra Magnums seem to get much coverage lately

Are Weatherby's calibers still popular for hunting purposes in the U.S.A. or have they ever been popular in the country of origin?

In advance, thanks for your comments.

I beg your pardon if my English isn't so good from time to time.

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wanderinwalker
September 15, 2004, 12:54 PM
TK73,

Welcome!

I don't know how popular Weatherby Magnums are, but I read about them quite a bit in the gun magazines and see plenty offered on the shelves at gunshops. I do know of one person who uses a .340 Weatherby, although for what, I am not certain.

Hope this helps a little,
~Nate

BTW, your English reads fine.

rick_reno
September 15, 2004, 01:08 PM
I stil use one (300 Wby) every year for elk hunting. I've thought about upgrading to one of the short magnums, but I've already got the Wby and it works. I can't think of a good reason to spend a bunch of money (gun, brass, some factory ammo, dies) on a new short magnum. If I didn't already have the Wby I'm sure I'd be looking at one of them.

Jim K
September 15, 2004, 02:13 PM
I don't know why all the past tense. Westherby is still very much in business and making rifles in all (or most) of the Weahterby calibers. They are not inexpensive, but I think are actually quite a bit cheaper considering inflation than they were thirty or forty years ago.

Check www.weatherby.com for more information.

Jim

Black Dragon
September 15, 2004, 03:22 PM
I use a 300 Weatherby for Elk hunting out West (Montana). I also use one
for long range shooting (600-800 yards).
By buddies in Montana have 300 Wby, 340Wby and 30-378Wby. Seems to
be popular to me:)

TK73
September 16, 2004, 01:33 AM
Gentlemen:

Many thanks for your informations so far.

Please excuse if I sounded as if I'd think Weatherby's fine rounds are a thing of the past. No, I bet they're doing as well a job as ever, probably still better and quicker than many other contemporary calibers.

I've long admired the .340 Weatherby as one of the best all-around cartridges available. I am big fan of gun writer Mr. Ross Seyfried. In the early '90s, he wrote a great article about Weatherby's calibers in G&A. The .340 was and probably still is his favourite all-around big-game caliber. Unfortunately, I've not heard much from Mr. Seyfried for a couple of years. I hope, he's well. I still enjoy his older articles and reviews.

JimC
September 16, 2004, 08:20 AM
In 1995 I bought one of the then new stainless Mk V's w/synthetic stock made in Maine, USA for an elk hunt that year. I bought it in .340 Whby. caliber because I have been a big .33 caliber fan for many years.

I was NOT disappointed in the .340.

My first elk that I took back in the late '60's was taken with a custom .338 Win. Mag. based on a pre '65 Winchester action.

The .340 is an outstanding rifle/caliber that I would not hesitate to use for any North American game animal.

The Weatherby line still offers some of the best rifles and calibers available to the hunter that one could want.

The older German made Mk V's still command a premium price on the used gun market and rightfully so.

The .300 Whby. is the one that all others are judged by in my estimation. The Weatherby 7mm Magnum ctg. is one of the most accurate 7mm's that I've ever had also.

There is definitely a place for the short magnum calibers but I've not found one that requires me to seek one of them out. :)

Gunrunner
September 16, 2004, 08:51 AM
I still see some Weatherbys at the range occasionally. They do seem overshdowed by the 7mm Remington magnum and 300 Winchester magnum rounds. And a lot of guys are starting to show up with the newer short magnum calibers.

Al Thompson
September 16, 2004, 09:15 AM
Interesting note - until the slower powders became available, reloaders could not get their reloads going as fast as factory ammo. Seems that Norma was using the equivilent of MRP and that was unavailable until the last few years. :)

Lots of serious hunters use Weatherby calibers, but tend to go with Mauser style (CRF) actions. The Mark V is a push feed and not as well regarded.

Ross Seyfried is now writing for Rifle magazine. He may have articles in Handloader as well. Seems there was a falling out with the Guns and Whammo crowd. :D

JimC
September 16, 2004, 09:29 AM
The powder used back "then" was Norma 205. MRP is about as close to it as you can get, maybe a little better than 205.

You could push a 200 gr. bullet at 3200 + fps with 205.

I've loaded a lot of MRP for two .340 Whbys. with great results with the 225 gr. Nosler PAR bullet and the Hornady 225 gr. spire point.

It was an excellent powder in the 7mm Whby. also especially with the heavier bullets.

I've used it in the 7mm STW with not so great results. :(

Black Snowman
September 16, 2004, 09:38 AM
My only hunting trip I used a Mark V in .340 Wby Mag to take a Wisconsin deer. It was more than adiquate. There was no test of my tracking skills ;)

I have recently traded the gun back to my father in a rifle swap but it is an extremly accurate and effective cartridge that's forgiving to reload. The belted magnums are much less picky on cartridge length since they don't use it to headspace the cartridge.

gigmike
September 16, 2004, 09:46 AM
I've been more than happy with my .300 Wby for about 20 years now. My father has had his since about 1960 and had great success with it. For my use I see no need to change.

redneck2
September 16, 2004, 10:08 AM
Weatherby has built their reputation on being a super velocity round. Downside is muzzle blast and recoil. Also, due to the faster powders that were available, they had to build in freebore so the bullet would jump rather than contact the lands immediately.

The guns themselves also tended to be expensive and sometimes in fancier grades than "normal". In my area, one tends to think of doctors and lawyers buying them since they have the money.

Factory ammo is very expensive and sometimes hard to get. Typical calibers (30-06, 300 Win Mag) are maybe 1/2 the price and much more common

IMO, Weatherby started the high velocity calibers that are typical today. I suspect that Weatherby has maybe 1-2% of the market.

JimC
September 16, 2004, 10:39 AM
Recoil with my .340 is not an issue, it has a muzzle brake. Recoil of my pre '64 Winchester '06 is worse than that of my .340! :eek:

Same goes for a Winchester M70 Super Grade that I have in 7mm Rem. Mag.

Cost of ammo is not a factor either, I reload for it and wouldn't have it any other way.

IMO, Weatherby started the high velocity calibers that are typical today. I suspect that Weatherby has maybe 1-2% of the market.

I'm part of it and glad to be. :)

If I ever find a German made Mk V in .300 Whby. priced right, I'll grab it up as fast as I can. I've seen a few but they were priced too high. Fair, but too high to sit in the safe.

El Rojo
September 16, 2004, 10:50 AM
My Friends of NRA dinner is tonight and we have a NRA custum Weatherby .300 Weatherby Magnum rifle on our grand prize table. Brand new. So yes they are still out there.

I personally like my .30-06 and will be picking the Kimber Pro Carry II or the Weatherby Field Shotgun, semi-auto if I win. I just don't see a need to get a new fancy caliber and have to reload it when I already have a good big game gun that works.

TK73
September 16, 2004, 11:08 AM
Thanks, JimC, Gunrunner, Al Thompson, Black Snowman, gigmike and, last not least, redneck2 for your valuable informations.

Like redneck2 I suspect, the actual overall market share of Weatherby is very, very low. Where I live (Germany) hardly anybody is using it. I bet, a lot of our guys here haven't even heard about them. :(

Most of the German hunters seem to stick to standard cartridges like .308, .30-06, 6,5x57R, 7x57 (R), 8x57JS, 8x57JRS, 9,3x62, 9,3x74R etc. with an occasional .300 Win. Mag. thrown in. Of course, our big game isn't particularly big and/or difficult to bring down and virtually all of the aforesaid cartridges are more than adequate, given proper shot placement.

I think that's very unfortunate as Weatherby rifles and cartridges have a lot to offer to the rifleman and hunter. Still, I have always wondered if ammunition or components of more Weatherby rounds (.270, 7 mm, .300, .340) are easy to obtain in remote places. A .270 Win., 7 mm Rem. Mag., .300 Win. Mag. or .338 Win. Mag. can be purchased over-the-counter in virtually any well-stocked gun shop. Where I live, all of the latter calibers are easily obtainable, but not Weatherby's fine rounds and components - there's a rationale reason for this: there's simply no demand...

JimC: Isn't it very painful or even damaging to the ears to shoot a powerful rifle with a muzzle brake attached to it? That's what I've heard.

Gordon
September 16, 2004, 11:14 AM
I used a .300 Weatherby on three continents since 1973. I Currently am working up a blacktail DEER load for the .224 Weatherby Varmintmaster, but I have to admit, it isn't popular!:D

JimC
September 16, 2004, 11:32 AM
JimC: Isn't it very painful or even damaging to the ears to shoot a powerful rifle with a muzzle brake attached to it? That's what I've heard.

Not with proper ear protection which I/everyone should always use when firing ANY firearm.

For the .340 and my 7mm STW, which also has a muzzle brake, I use Pro-Ears electronic muffs (turned off) along with ear plugs because my club has covered shooting ports and this magnifies the sound, especially with the brakes.

They do however, reduce the recoil. :D

It (muzzle blast) is actually more noticeable to someone standing to your right or left and not the shooter.

rick_reno
September 16, 2004, 11:37 AM
JimC: Isn't it very painful or even damaging to the ears to shoot a powerful rifle with a muzzle brake attached to it? That's what I've heard.

They are louder. I had one on a 416 mag I owned years ago. I was restricted from shooting it at my club range if the range was busy. I was never sure if the reduction in recoil was worth the increased noise. My Freedom Arms 454 is magna-ported and I can't shoot it at our little indoor city range, it bothers other shooters. I changed scopes on my 300 Wby this summer and after yesterdays session at the range I'm considering putting a KDF brake on the 300. The Alaka gov. page on hunting mentions "You cannot wear ear protection when you are hunting and neither can your hunting partners or guide. An increasing number of guides will not allow a hunter to use a muzzle brake because of the danger of hearing loss." I've heard that guides in Africa aren't allowing them to be used either.
The source is here (http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/hunt_trap/hunting/huntak/huntak7.cfm)

Here (http://www.chuckhawks.com/muzzle_brakes.htm) is an excellent page discussing the various brakes and their useability.

JimC
September 16, 2004, 11:42 AM
I guess that's why they screw off and they supply a thread protector. ;)

Okiecruffler
September 16, 2004, 12:16 PM
The unit secretary in my unit asked to go shooting with me one day and said she shot a 270. Imagine my surprise when she showed up with w 270 Weatherby mag. That is one sweet shooting rifle. I was watching a fella shoot a 257 weatherby at the range a few weeks ago. At 100yrds he was shooting the 1/2'' lettering on the target, and looking incrediably bored while doing it.

Tony Williams
September 17, 2004, 03:42 AM
Now that the .338 Lapua is seeing increasing use as a long-range military sniper round, how much of a threat will that pose to the .340 Weatherby in the future?

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TK73
September 17, 2004, 05:50 AM
For hunting purposes probably not much. I doubt, the .338 Lapua is that widespread or enjoys such great increase of interest by civilian users either. Unlike the .338 Lapua, the .340 has never been a regarded as a viable military sniper round, although it would do a favourable job, certainly on par with the .338 Lapua Mag. I bet the .340 is virtually unknown to most police and military snipers. Still, I've heard there are specialists out there using the hard-hitting .338-378 Wby. Mag. Improved for long range shooting. Perhaps there are some of these rifles in the arsenals of elite military units.

The .338 Lapua round seems to have an edge when it comes to readily available sniper rifles and that's probably the reason why it's more popular than the .340 or others. For example, the SAKO TRG-42 and various British-made Accuracy Int. rifles are available in .338 Lapua from the factories. A sniper .340 Wby. rifle would be a custom shop affair.

Thanks for you post.

JimC
September 17, 2004, 08:20 AM
Now that the .338 Lapua is seeing increasing use as a long-range military sniper round, how much of a threat will that pose to the .340 Weatherby in the future?

Not at all for me. I'm all set with ammo, bullets and brass for the .340 to last for a long time.

.340 Whby. brass is still less expensive than .338 Lapua and there are those that complain about the cost of the .340. They won't go the extra for .338 Lapua brass or ammo for that matter.

I have no need for a extra long range sniper round such as the Lapua but, I have tried the Sierra 300 gr. HPBT Match bullet in my .340. It is extra long range enough for my uses. It will shoot MOA out of my Weatherby rifle at 300 yds. ;)

A sniper .340 Wby. rifle would be a custom shop affair.

And a nice one it would make.

TonyRumore
September 17, 2004, 07:39 PM
TK73, your English is just fine. There are plenty of people here in Oklahoma that have far worse English skills. Trust me. ;-)

Okiecruffler
September 17, 2004, 09:12 PM
Okie's speak perfect English, it's the rest of the world that's all messed up.:D

LAK
September 17, 2004, 10:19 PM
TK73,

As someone posted, Ross Seyfried writes for Rifle magazine. Although only a few of the articles online are accessible, here is the URL (Complete back issues in hard copy are available through the mail):

http://www.riflemagazine.com

S_O_Laban
September 18, 2004, 01:05 AM
Okiecruffler, I have been lusting after a 270 Weatherby for quite a while.:D I will admit to being lured by the new Win short 270 though....

Tk73: WalMart still stocks and sells the cheap Weatherby rifle. I figure if WalMart sells them... the're somewhat still mainstream for the American public. There may be more Weatherbys out there than one realizes. If that gun doesn't sell .... WalMart wouldn't still sell it.

zeke
September 18, 2004, 10:07 AM
Am still using MarkV 257 wby for deer. It was difficult to locate the brass a few years back, no problem now. Fast, flat shooting and extremely accurate (with free floated barrel) . It's the Jap made version with plastic stock and 26 in medium weight barrel.

Picked up a MarkV 270 wby several years ago ($450) , when manufacturing was in process of moving to USA. Haven't even scoped or shot it yet. Has shorter lighter 24 in barrel and wood stock.

Lee Woiteshek
September 18, 2004, 11:52 AM
Another one for Weatherby. The only center fire rifles I own are Weatherbys. I have an SVM with a Ballistic Plex Burris Black Diamond scope in 22-250, and an Accumark in 300 Weatherby with a Swarovski PH 3-12. Both are MOA rifles and both would probably do better than that if I reloaded. I've had both for several years. If I thought there was something out there in current production that did better than what I have, for price I paid, I'd purchase it.

S_O_Laban
September 18, 2004, 09:25 PM
Just to add to my eailer post, I stopped by WalMart this morning and sure enough there was a 300 wby mag in the display case. I asked the guy working there and he said they can also order anything from Wby that 's in their book. ( I don't know what 's in the book though:o )

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