Do you keep one or more safe queen(s)?


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AirPower
September 15, 2004, 07:12 PM
Visited a friend who has the majority of his guns as safe queen and only a handful that he shoots and handles regularly. He says unless there's an emergency, they're there appreciating about as fast as bank interest rates so he might as well let them sit there. Do you have any safe queens or do you shoot them all and sell the ones you don't?

It's also hard to define what's a safequeen, what's your take on it? The safe queens he has are all brand new and never shot and get a wipe of oil from time to time. Oh, they also have original boxes. :D But I do know others who shoot their safe queens but are really careful about handling it.

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xdoctor
September 15, 2004, 07:37 PM
To me, the idea of owning a firearm you've never fired and plan to use only in the case of an emergency is stupid. Why would you go into an emergency with an unproven firearm?

Old Dog
September 15, 2004, 08:50 PM
I could be wrong here, but I think the concept of firearms appreciating significantly in value (as fast as bank interest rates? Hunh?) is probably for the most part pretty optimistic ... unless one owns some genuine classics, old or rare firearms (especially with provenance), most commercial guns that I'm aware of (with adjustments for inflation) probably maintain their value pretty well, but certainly aren't gonna give you any more of a return than more common investments ...

Rembrandt
September 15, 2004, 08:59 PM
My definition of a "Safe Queen".....

...."a firearm with accessories and appearance enhancements beyond that of a base model gun. Owned by people with discretionary income who appreciate the finer things in life".

To own a gun and not use it, is not a sin or morally wrong. Some people just know how to respect and treat works of art.

TarpleyG
September 15, 2004, 09:03 PM
Not really a safe queen but I haven't shot it much--Marlin 336SS in .30-30. I don't hunt but I just think everyone needs a .30-30.

Greg

reagansquad
September 15, 2004, 11:54 PM
When my grandpa died he left me a 30-06. Ammo for it is $15+ per box. I can't afford to shoot it much. When I can afford it, I'll prolly just buy a Remington 700p. Does that count?

Majic
September 16, 2004, 03:02 AM
Some may feel they have to shoot every single firearm they own, but I feel there is no need to shoot each one. Some are simply for the pride of ownership. Sure you can get a return off your investment, but that's not the purpose for a lot of people buying them.
A firearm can be viewed as a tool or a work of art. Tools are put to use. Works of art are basically admired.
I have some that have never been fired since they left the factory. Some that may have or may not have been previously fired before I got them, but probably never will be fired by me. Some that I use all the time. I admire and try to carefully maintain each and every one of them.

WhoKnowsWho
September 16, 2004, 03:23 AM
Some may feel they have to shoot every single firearm they own, but I feel there is no need to shoot each one. Some are simply for the pride of ownership.

I agree with that statement. There are some that get shot more, some less, but all are something I am happy to have. Just because it doesn't get first pick doesn't make it a safe queen to me. Some are too odd to shoot all the time, when I have better options to shoot more often, like my Arisakas. I will take them out to plink with now, but the SKS or Mosin Nagant will get first pick. But that doesn't make the Arisakas safe queens or something to be sold off.

stv
September 16, 2004, 03:51 AM
I have a single gun that could be described as a safe queen - an early 70s production Smith & Wesson M37 Airweight Chief's Special, blued, 3" barrel, mint in box with all the warranty cards, owner's manual, etc. It has just about a single box of ammo through it and that's all - the bluing is near perfect, there's absolutely no sign of a drag line on the cylinder, and it's just a beautiful little gun.

The others are all shooters.

Langenator
September 16, 2004, 07:31 AM
I've got one that I've never fired, and if I ever do, it will probably be just once. It's a 1944 Ithaca-made USGI M1911A1. I bought it from a retired Colonel who inherited it from his father, who carried it across UTAH Beach on 7 Jun 1944 and on across France and Germany.

I've got one other that I don't fire much, my Sig 220, but that's just because I only have one magazine for it. Which reminds me, I need to buy some more.

Logan5
September 16, 2004, 10:05 AM
The grandparents and great grandparents left me with some stuff that I don't care to shoot, but I'm not about to sell any of it either. I don't think it's "morally wrong", but if anyone who thinks I'm a sinner and wants to convert me wants to buy me a case of .40-82 WCF, I'm absolutely open to redemption. Old Western Scrounger has it for $89.95 per box of 20. ;)

perry1963
September 16, 2004, 10:36 AM
have a colt SAA made in 1903 that is not shot any more but everything else is shot every chance i get.

fastball
September 16, 2004, 11:34 AM
To be brief:---What Majic said. "A firearm can be viewed as a tool or a work of art. Tools are put to use. Works of art are basically admired."

I have a couple of 19s and 10s that are IMHO "works of art". A 4" and a 6" blued example of each. Never handle them with out a gentle wipe down. Oh, and 25 other 100% S&Ws in safe deposit. That, IS a waste.

Tom

Joe Demko
September 16, 2004, 11:46 AM
they're there appreciating about as fast as bank interest rates

I very strongly doubt that. Without onerous laws like the now-defunct AWB or the machinegun-freeze to artificially drive prices up, firearms do not typically appreciate enough in value over the course of an owner's lifetime to be considered a good investment. Antique firearms with proven historical provenance can be a wothrwhile investment, as can certain more modern firearms. An otherwise undistinguished handgun belonging to Jack Ruby recently sold for a goodly sum, for example.
Guns are something to purchase because you like guns.
Edited to add that values on guns can go down as well as up. Remember when Makarovs were rare and valuable?

halvey
September 16, 2004, 12:06 PM
they're there appreciating about as fast as bank interest rates Yeah, but that's only 1% a year. So to get a 1% yearly return on a gun is pretty easy to do.

I can see if you have extra money to keep some a safe queens. I plan on doing that. I guess what I don't get are the guys who "buy a gun to pass on" then never shoot it. I mean, where's the history? Where's the story?

My all time favorite gun is an $80 shotgun my dad bought when he was 14. He never cleaned it, never took good care of it. So I kind of took it away from him with his permission and got the barrel reblued. I plan on shooting that thing a lot and then handing it to one of my kids someday.

MikeJ
September 16, 2004, 12:12 PM
I own a polished blue Colt Officer's that I consider to be a safe queen. I prefer to shoot my stainless Commander and due to sentimental reasons would not sell the Officer's. I have a couple of others that rarely get shot so they might consider themselves as safe queens.;)

Majic
September 16, 2004, 12:36 PM
I guess what I don't get are the guys who "buy a gun to pass on" then never shoot it. I mean, where's the history? Where's the story?
The history and story will still be of somewhere in the future someone would say that's grandpa's gun that he loved so much. Firing it may add to the story, but certainly won't take anything away from it. Think about inheriting a new in the box with all original accessories and papers 75 year old handgun. That's a family heirloom destine to go many, many generations.

YammyMonkey
September 16, 2004, 12:51 PM
I'm not a queen, and neither are any of my guns. :p

fastball
September 16, 2004, 12:56 PM
Majic. I am a few days (really) past mid 60s. I have my Swiss grandfathers' sword cane he brought over with him in the 1860s. I don't go walking around the "hood with it.--Tom just my 2 cents

Skunkabilly
September 16, 2004, 01:24 PM
How can you guys not shoot your guns?

That's like, not driving a car or not shooting a camera or not pickin' a git-tar!

halvey
September 16, 2004, 01:35 PM
Majic
Don't get me wrong, I see what your saying.

But I guess, in my case, the gun was used to shoot skunks that were eating my dads honeybees, used to get rid of over 50 striped gophers one summer, used on my first hunt - not to mention all the hunting my dad did with it as a youth.

I guess I'd hope one day I could pass on my daily carry gun or my greatly used early Kimber one day.

Just different ways to see things I guess. :)

mainmech48
September 16, 2004, 02:23 PM
Just two, but they fall under the 'objets d'art' catagory, IMO.

First is the S&W #3 Schofield made in their Performance Shop. Won it in a raffle and, while it has been handled and 'turned', I've never fired it. I'll satisfy my curiousity about Schofields with one of the Uberti replicas. This one is gorgeous, rare and apreciating in value rapidly. Who knows? I might run into somebody with something I really want but can't afford and we'll be able to work something out.

The other is a Navy Arms Le Mat cap and ball replica. It may well be the most finely made and finished production replica revolver that I've ever seen. Yes, I bought it, but at a hefty discount from suggested retail. Even so, it's just too beautiful for me to bring myself to shoot it and sully that perfection. Go ahead and laugh; 'eye of the beholder', and all that.

Majic
September 16, 2004, 02:39 PM
How can you guys not shoot your guns?
Very easy Skunk. If you have multiple examples that fire the same cartridge then why must you fire all of them?
It's just a different midset. Not all the toys in the box gets played with. Some you look at, show off, then put them back away. I know how it should shoot and that's good enough for me. Some I bought with no intentions of ever firing. I just wanted to be able to say I have one because I really like it. If you never collect anything then you may never know what I'm saying.

BTW....I do have a Harley Davidson that I haven't started in about 10 years now (nothing was wrong with it the last time I shut the engine down), so I guess you don't understand that either.

Monkeyleg
September 16, 2004, 06:38 PM
Years back I had an absolutely NIB Colt SAA, circa 1956, with all papers, just as it came from the factory. After a couple of months, I couldn't stand the idea of not being able to shoot the gun, so I sold it.

Then I got a hankerin' for a Python, and got one, and shot it some. Then I decided I wanted one that was unfired, NIB. One now sits in my safe, and I fondle it from time to time.

All my other guns get fired, some more often than others. But that gleaming Python is there just for the sake of beauty.

Or, as Chief Dan George said about his piece of hard rock candy in The Outlaw Josey Wales: "It ain't for eatin, though. It's just fer lookin' through."

PaulBk
September 16, 2004, 06:47 PM
I only have three handguns and one of those is a 'safe queen'. It is actually in it's own safe rather than the main house safe.

The reason it remains on the bench when the other kids get to play is because it is an old 2" wheelgun that belonged to my dad and was my carry piece until replaced by my G26. It is about 30 years old and has seen a lot of action and I don't want to cause any further wear and tear, so you could call it a collector's item. Though it's re-sale value is very limited, it's sentimental value is high.

-Paul

cratz2
September 17, 2004, 01:55 AM
I think I've probably onwed three guns that I never fired... Maybe 5 max!

Some guns, I just don't really see a pressing need to shoot... The main gun I can think of was an unfired Winchester Boy Scout Rifle. See no reason in the world of a non-Boy Scout adult to shoot an unfired limited edition Boy Scout Rifle.

techmike
September 17, 2004, 07:23 AM
BTW....I do have a Harley Davidson that I haven't started in about 10 years now (nothing was wrong with it the last time I shut the engine down), so I guess you don't understand that either.

Guns are meant to be fired, motorcycles and horses to be ridden, women to be loved and children to be spoiled! I guess I don't understand it either. If I own it, I use it. That's the fun part. I have some very nice things and they all get used...some of them daily. My brother has fits when I dress a deer with a $400 knife. My wife has fits when I take thousands of dollars of camera equipment to the beach. As far as I'm concerned, life is short...play with ALL the toys!

entropy
September 17, 2004, 08:31 AM
A few, all inherited. A 16 ga. H&R single with a hair trigger, it is unsafe to shoot, but I keep it because it was my grandpa's pheasant gun for most of his life, until my Dad bought him a Win. 1300. An 1860 Army replica my uncle built for my grandpa honoring his grandpa, who was issued one in the Civil War. A .410 H&R single with a broken extractor I haven't got around to fixing yet. I do shoot the Mossberg .22 and Remington .22 I inherited, though.:)

Spieler
September 17, 2004, 08:46 AM
Never had a safe queen and probably never will. Simple economics preclude me from purchasing something that will never be utilized. All of my guns over the years have been shooters and loaners. If it didn't work or didn't fulfill the task I had bought it for it was gone. In retrospect I probably should have kept a few of my evil imported black guns as safe queens and could have made a killing selling them for 2 or 3 times what I paid for them in the last decade, but I didn't. Oh well.

Dorrin79
September 17, 2004, 08:54 AM
Only one - my factory nickel-chromed pre-MkII Browning Hi-Power.

Actually been toying with the idea of selling it, since it seems kind of silly to own a gun that I never shoot.

I only bought it because it was a deal too good to pass up.

fastball
September 17, 2004, 11:19 AM
Majic, guess it's you and me againt the world. I have a 6'' H&R 999 that is a safe queen. Yes, I said (okay typed) H&R. It is 100%, gets wiped down when handled. Could have sold it a doz. times but what of it's quality and classic looks would $200 bucks buy??---Tom

joab
September 17, 2004, 12:47 PM
Is a neglected gun the same as a queen.
Out of 19 long guns that I own 9 have never been fired by me simply because, living in the city and not being close to an outdoor range, I haven't had the opportunity.
out of the remaining 10 only 2 are shot with any regularity, again only because it is inconvient
1 old .22 rifle is the only one with any semblence of family history.
on April 24th 1981 at a distance that I had figured at 75yds but an artillery friend placed closer to 125 on a down hillgrade of about 60 degrees. I shot a snake through the head, where the skull and neck meet, with an old used Savage model 6A that I had bought earlier that day for $15 as a birthday present to myself.
The snake was killed instantly and went rigid flipping out of the water end over end two and a half times before hitting the water again. The most amazing part of the whole story is that the bullet went exactly where I wanted it to.

Today at 42 the event is still seared ...seared into my brain I close my eyes and see it in my mind like it was yesterday. It sereves as a reminder of when I was young and could actually see well enough to be a formidable marksman.
I've told the story so many times that my son says that he is going to have it inscribed on the stock when I die and use it as a head stone.
It's also the one that he fondles the most when he fondles even though almost all of my guns are much cooler

All handguns are shot at the time of purchase or within a day or two although many serve no immediate purpose so they lay in wait in the safe

Chut1st
September 17, 2004, 09:20 PM
There are 2 "Friends of the NRA" issues on display in my office (Henry Golden Boy and Beretta 96) that haven't been fired. The main reason I bought them was to support the NRA and I was high bidder at significantly less than the MSRP of the standard non-NRA models. It's not a matter of not wanting to shoot them and I don't think they are going to significantly appreciate in value over the next few years. But I have so many other guns that I really like to shoot and only so much time to do so. One other "safe queen" is an S&W Police and Military Special that my father bought before I was born. It's certainly been fired (it was the first handgun I ever shot at the tender age of around 8) but .38 Special just doesn't have enough oomph for me any more and I want to keep it in the current pristine condition with the original box, oiled paper and cleaning tool.

UnintendedConsequences
September 18, 2004, 04:21 AM
My catagories are "fancy" and "utility". A fancy gun to me is one with a high polished nice wood stock and fine blueing you can see your face in. Then there are the stainless or matte stainless steel and synthetic stocked guns or the ones that are parkerized or with a matte camo finish, those are the utility guns you can use and perhaps abuse a little and not feel bad about it.

With the bad weather I hunt in, I prefer a utility gun over a fancy gun because I don't mind the elements ruining a nice gun. Then again, I love the old warhorses like the SMLEs and Garands and the like, but those that are pretty original with the original parts I baby. The ones that have been sporterized already I just use and enjoy.

And then there are those that are shootable, but missing parts...though nice for gunsmithing projects that you wouldn't want ot practice on nice guns, at least not at first.

I shoot what I own, but if I can do the same with a utility gun, I save the fancy gun for nice weather.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a 100 year old gun in an obscure chambering, yes, I would refrain from shooting it. But I prefer guns I can shoot and take care of and love.

ewb45acp
September 18, 2004, 08:34 PM
But they're not really safe queens. There are a few pistols that I just never seem to get around to taking out to the range.

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