What color is the 2nd Amendment?


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Henry Bowman
September 17, 2004, 09:23 AM
At least in my part of the country, about half of the cars on the road have one of those magnetic "ribbons" that are red, white, and blue saying "God Bless America" or yellow saying "Support Our Troops" or black saying "POW/MIA" or ... many cars have 3 or 4 of them. A red ribbon on the lapel (or elsewhere) has come to mean "Support AIDS Research" and a pink ribbon to mean "Support Breast Cancer Research."

Is there a ribbon color that means "Restore Second Amendment Rights"? Years ago, I heard someone suggest that a blue ribbon should have this connotation, but I've never seen it catch on. Have you? Is blue already taken for some other cause? Is there a color that would better represent the cause? Green might have too much of a camo connotation. Other colors, like orange or purple, just don't seem to ring.

Any thoughts or suggestions from the THR crowd?

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geekWithA.45
September 17, 2004, 09:29 AM
IIRC, blue ribbons are free speech online.

How about silver/stainless steel?

My personal opinion is that guns should be nonreflective businesslike black, but a black ribbon would just confuse the snot out of everyone.

Vitamin G
September 17, 2004, 09:59 AM
Ribbons of Iron and Wood...

mfree
September 17, 2004, 10:05 AM
Silver, or brass/gold get my vote.

Gump
September 17, 2004, 10:12 AM
Blued or Stainless Steel

Cacique500
September 17, 2004, 10:20 AM
+1 for Silver - and when you get some ordered I'll take a bunch :)

boofus
September 17, 2004, 10:20 AM
Red, definitely red. The Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots. Who said that? Patrick Henry?

What's wrong with Red, white, and blue? This country was founded on the 2A.

Justin
September 17, 2004, 10:25 AM
Gunmetal.

ID_shooting
September 17, 2004, 10:41 AM
Silver and black. Need some bumper stickers or somthing to advertise the meaning until it catches on.

fistful
September 17, 2004, 11:12 AM
What's wrong with a "camo connotation"?

Guns I have no problem with, but not that camoflauge stuff!

Speaking of which, camoflauge is a French word, should we call it somethin' else?

fletcher
September 17, 2004, 12:30 PM
How about "Freedomflauge" :p

Dave Markowitz
September 17, 2004, 12:37 PM
I suggest red, white and blue.

one-shot-one
September 17, 2004, 12:41 PM
add one vote for:
blued/stainless
or
gunmettle

one-shot-one
September 17, 2004, 12:53 PM
add one vote for:
blued/stainless
or
gunmettle

Preacherman
September 17, 2004, 01:00 PM
Pink!

(Well, can you think of any other color that would better "disarm" the anti's? :evil: )

BHPshooter
September 17, 2004, 01:12 PM
The Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots. Who said that? Patrick Henry?

Thomas Jefferson.

I'm for gunmetal grey or silver, practically the same thing.

Wes

Sindawe
September 17, 2004, 01:14 PM
No, thats just silly. :neener:

How about a ribbon of nice gunstock wood, with a broad band of silver down the middle?

Hmmmm...time to break out Pov-Ray. :D

geekWithA.45
September 17, 2004, 02:05 PM
Changing vote to metal and wood.

Henry Bowman
September 17, 2004, 02:35 PM
Preliminary response:

Red (AIDS) and pink (Breast Cancer) are already taken. Red, white, and blue is too generic and is already in wide use for "patriotism" in general. Gold is too close to yellow. I didn't like the "camo connotation" because the 2nd Amendment is not a hunting issue, it's a civil rights issue. It's also not a "gun nut" issue. I, for example, was an outspoken 2nd Amendment advocate for years before becoming a gun owner.

I like the wood/gun metal (brown/gray) idea. I also like the black/silver stripe idea. But it needs to be easy to execute. This is not a capitalistic venture. This is (hopefully) the symbol of a movement.

Silver seems like a good tentitive nomination. Silver ribbon is widely available and a silver/gray color is easy enough to print (such as on the magnetic car ribbons). Contrast would be good enough to superimpose "Restore Second Amendment Rights" printed on it. A simple silver ribbon pinned on your lapel or sweater may provoke an inquiry to which you can simply respond, "Oh, I support the restoration of Second Amendment rights" just as simply as you might say "I support breast cancer research" in response to any inquiry about your pink ribbon. Where the conversation goes is up to them.

Brown/gray or black/silver ribbon may be pretty hard to find off the shelf and would reduce the amount of space available to print a message on the "car magnet ribbon."

Further thoughts are encouraged.

dav
September 17, 2004, 03:17 PM
Your point of print being harder to see on brown or black backgrounds is good.

I concur, gunmetal grey ribbon would be easy and allow good print contrast.

1 more vote for grey.

Morgan
September 17, 2004, 03:22 PM
Black.

There shouldn't be any print on it, so print is a moot point.

Ironbarr
September 17, 2004, 04:24 PM
BLACK and WHITE.

Since it's "right there... in black and white."

"What don't you understand about "shall not be infringed"?"



-Andy

shermacman
September 17, 2004, 04:28 PM
Any color that you choose.

And that is the whole point! The freedom to choose something like a bumper sticker on the car that you chose to buy with the money that you earn.

Vote.

geekWithA.45
September 17, 2004, 04:50 PM
Shermacman:

A meaningful symbol is also a recognizable symbol, and in order to be recognizable, it needs some level of consistency.

Otherwise, folks would think we were advocates for say....saving the whales, or some such nonsense.

(If whales were to be saved, then howcome they had about 100 gallons of flammable oil in their heads?....Hmmm....renewable combustible fuel.....gonna go borg me up some whales....)

magsnubby
September 17, 2004, 07:19 PM
Blood red to represent the blood that was shed by our forefathers creating this nation.

Blood red to represent the blood shed in past wars by those protecting this nation.

Blood red to represent the blood being shed by our military men and women who are currently fighting to protect this nation.

hso
September 17, 2004, 07:49 PM
How bout this?

mattz357
September 17, 2004, 10:09 PM
I can't open that file, but if this does happen, I want some!

fistful
September 18, 2004, 01:21 AM
Look at the bottom right corner of this site.

Locus
September 18, 2004, 07:10 AM
Hmm, quick sketch, but you get the idea. More of the "comedy option" if you will. :D

http://www.danielallen.us/Misc/2ndamendment.jpg

mattz357
September 18, 2004, 07:22 AM
Locus, if we could refine that image a bit, and add cartridges in each loop, that would be perfect!

Dorian
September 18, 2004, 09:13 AM
I also vote for stainless steel(silver) as the color

themic
September 18, 2004, 02:21 PM
i have to say i like the desert camo idea. it doesn't say "hunter" like other camo, and support the troops already has yellow. maybe some sort of camoflage that isn't hunter camo, but isn't a current troop camo? like urban gray camo?

alarmguy
September 18, 2004, 03:11 PM
Blued Steel and Walnut

Edward429451
September 18, 2004, 04:04 PM
Some nice thoughts on colors but I think gunmetal grey makes the most sense.

ilcylic
September 18, 2004, 06:01 PM
Gadsden Flag Yellow.

Though, I guess yellow ribbons are already taken.

Maybe yellow with a snake printed on them?

-Ogre

mattz357
September 18, 2004, 07:52 PM
I'm not sure if I'm a huge fan of the camo, but silver/gunmetal/grey or the bullet band are awesome. Some of the vendors on ebay claim to be able to do any color... do I smell a group buy? Let's decide on a color and I'll see if I can find someone to make them. If you guys think it might be easier, we can start a new thread with a poll to vote on color.

Cacique500
September 18, 2004, 08:10 PM
Now that we're narrowing down on the color (gray or silver) we need to start thinking about the text that goes on it.

I'll throw something out to start...

On the top of the ribbon (in the arch) how about the letters RKBA

As far as text on either side of the ribbon I'm still throwing that around.

'Support our 2nd Amendment' ? Is that too long?

pluvo
September 18, 2004, 08:29 PM
http://web.mit.edu/nygren/images/ducttape/ribbon.medium.trans.gif

"I love the smell of duct tape in the morning ... it smells like freedom."

mattz357
September 18, 2004, 08:38 PM
Cacique, I was also thinking RKBA at the top or on the right side. Any more text than that and they usually look cluttered. I think this site would probably be a good place to have them done http://www.magnetamerica.com/custom.html For color, we could do a medium gray in the middle with a dark gray (gunmetal) border. The cost of packaging and shipping should be pretty low, I'll look at Sam's and the office stores tomorrow for bulk quantity heavy envelopes. Bring on the feedback.

mattz357
September 18, 2004, 10:28 PM
I emailed the custom department for information on custom colors and fonts and whether or not graphics could be used. I'll let everyone know what I find out.

Henry Bowman
September 18, 2004, 10:49 PM
No offense to geek with a .45, but I'm not sure that blue is out of the question. I haven't see a big movement to infringe online speech (except kiddie porn and obscenity) nor any use of blue ribbons to mean anything in particular in the general public. Sorry, but red or black are out of the question -- already taken in a big way. Black is in wide use for POW/MIA.

But the ground swell seems to favor a silver shade -- and who I'm I to question that?

My thoughts: "RKBA" is to cryptic. It's not supposed to be an "inside" thing or a secret sign. "Support Our Second Amendment" sounds kind of selfish. Like: Support Our Cause, Not Yours. I'd much prefer "Restore Second Amendment Rights" even though that is kind of long. It is inclusive, and represents a civil rights cause.

The desert camo or urban camo kind of say "veteran" or "gun nut" or "mall ninja" or Rambo wanna be." The 2A is about the militia, but the message is easily lost if not extremely simple.

mattz357, are you running with this?

sm
September 18, 2004, 11:00 PM
"Metal and Wood"


by Dennis Bateman

http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/library/Metal_and_Wood.html

mattz357
September 18, 2004, 11:05 PM
Whether or not I can compeltely do this myself depends on demand. I don't have a printer, so addressing all the envelopes would be very time comsuming. I would be willing to organize, take payment, order, package and ship, but I would need someone to volunteer to print address labels. I could make a list in MS Word or a similar program, email it to someone else and they could mail the labels to me. If this seems like too much work, I'll do all the research and setup and then pass it off to someone with more experience/resources. If anyone is a photoshop wizard, how about a couple of sample designs???

Ironbarr
September 18, 2004, 11:23 PM
2nd Amendment,
Your self-defense.

Platinum or Stainless Steel; black letters???

fistful
September 18, 2004, 11:41 PM
I prefer a belt of 7.62 rounds to the bandoleer idea, but I know that's way too scary.:eek:

mattz357
September 18, 2004, 11:57 PM
Okay, it took me a half an hour to make this and I have NO idea how to add text. I pictured it a little darker, but I couldn't figure out how to make it any darker. What do you think?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbon1.jpg

dav
September 19, 2004, 12:05 AM
Henry Bowman wrote:
My thoughts: "RKBA" is to cryptic. I have to agree with you Henry. My car's vanity plate is 'CA RKBA'. Even the folks that I work with who know me fairly well could never understand it.

Actually, they couldn't understand it even after I explained it to them. Sigh.

Looking at the sample ribbons on the site above (the Magnet America site) make it look as though RKBA across the top loop would fit quite well with a 2nd Amendment statement on the ribbon.

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 12:38 AM
I'm getting brave with photo software... I'm not sure about this, but here it is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbon2.jpg

dav
September 19, 2004, 12:49 AM
mattz357,

I like your 'shall not be infringed', too.

Here is my offering. Ribbon 2nd A (http://davrow.us/ribbon3.jpg)

We'd be interested in helping on the marketing side, too (my wife is currently doing Internet marketing so is set up to handle on-line payments, shipping, etc)

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 12:57 AM
I think I'm going to post about this on other forums and give everyone a chance to get in on it. I frequent Glocktalk, S&W Forum, SIGForum and TFL, if anyone is a member at another forum that I didn't think of, please post there. I don't want to make any money on this, so I'm not offended if someone else is better equipped to handle it, but I'll help in any way that I can. This is great!

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 01:11 AM
***NOT FOR PRODUCTION*** This one is for the Harley guys that like to shoot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbon3.jpg

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 01:41 AM
This logo is trademarked, but we could use a different font (right?).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbon4.jpg

BluesBear
September 19, 2004, 07:24 AM
I tried to keep it simple since the entire reason for a ribbon is to raise awareness.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1246232

I prominately displayed the letters RKBA in the hopes that once someone sees the ribbon, they will, from then on, realize that the two are synonymous.

I love the gunmetal color, that most have advocated, for the ribbon, but I feel that the printing (if any) should only be Patriot Blue !

Cacique500
September 19, 2004, 07:40 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbon2.jpg

Matt - I think this is the one. The 'Shall not be infringed' is the message I think we need to get across.

Good points on the RKBA text...but...I think it actually needs to be slightly cryptic - that's what gets people to ask questions about it.

Hell, half the people out there aren't going to know what the 2nd Amendment is for that matter, or what 'We the people' refers to.

Matt - I'm going to pass your pic on to my brother who's a photoshop whiz and see if he has any ideas on tweaking your design...but I really like the one you came up with!!

Newguy1
September 19, 2004, 09:09 AM
I will be in on three of four if this gets off the ground. Thanks for the great work and ideas.

oldfella
September 19, 2004, 10:56 AM
Gunmetal, light gray/silver will do it for me; and I agree with Henry Bowman, spell it out:

"2nd Amendment - Shall not be infringed"

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 11:44 AM
The problem with spelling out all the words is that you only have so much space to work with. Here is a template showing how many letters would be available assuming this font size. Just so you all know, I've taught myself more about photo editing in the past two days than in the past 24 years!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbontemplate.jpg

Strings
September 19, 2004, 12:30 PM
count me in for a dozen or so!

oldfella
September 19, 2004, 01:42 PM
Mattz357 - I agree about the order-shipping logistics, a nightmare. Why not pass the whole thing to the manufacturer; to 1) come up with with couple of designs for your approval and 2) have them take care of order-taking and shipping at a reasonable cost/price.

I also agree on the amount of writing which can be put in the ribbon. How about keep the "RKBA" in center (top); one the hidden-fold shorten and abbreviate: "2ND --- AMNDMT" and on the outside fold "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".... play with it to see if it works.

The Oldfella

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 02:35 PM
Oldfella, I can't say this for sure, but I VERY seriously doubt the manufacturer would ship these to multiple addresses. They have free shipping, and that would almost certainly be to one address for the whole lot. I did get pricing for bubble mailers today though. The magnets are roughly 4"x8" AFAIK, and Sam's has 6x9 bubble mailers for about 20 cents each. That should put shipping right around $2. Here is what your ribbon would look like, oldfella. I don't mind custom making these, but we should probably come up with a system for voting on the final design before we have too many choices. Thanks!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbon5.jpg

BluesBear
September 19, 2004, 03:12 PM
THere are some very nice designs suggested here. Any several of them look very good on our computer screens.

Make sure that any design you finalize is recognizable and easy to read at normal viewing distances.

oldfella
September 19, 2004, 03:34 PM
That looks real nice, Mattz357 - and I do agree with BluesBear about readability; but if it is designed to be placed on vehicles, 4X8" is a good size.... maybe even 6X10". It would be more noticeable/readable if abbreviated: "2ND.....AMNDMT".

I wonder if the Post Office would "frown" on mailing magnets... knowing that their processing machines are mostly metal.

I'd be glad to assist with the mailing, if that helps.

The Oldfella

Henry Bowman
September 19, 2004, 03:36 PM
Personally, I'd rather not see the "Shall Not Be Infringed" language. I'd much rather see just "Second Amendment Rights" (maybe with the "RKBA"). The use of "ribbons" is not to be confrontational, but to be unifying. These are not bumper stickers (with bumper sticker slogans) where you may wish to be more "in your face."

Anybody else see what I mean?

oldfella
September 19, 2004, 03:51 PM
You have a point, HenryBowman; but will "SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS" fit on the exposed portion of the ribbon:

Mattz357 wrote:
The problem with spelling out all the words is that you only have so much space to work with.....

The Oldfella

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 04:34 PM
Oldfella, I don't think the size is adjustable. Also, since many cars can just barely fit the standard size on the trunk, making them any bigger wouldn't be good. The post office must not mind, thousands of these sell on ebay. I bought my wife and her family a handful of the pink ones and they came in an unpadded catalog envelope.

Henry, excellent point about being confrontational. Here are your requests.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbon7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mattz357/ribbon6.jpg

oldfella
September 19, 2004, 05:11 PM
The second one looks good!

Maybe it's time to put it to a vote, to determine:

1) Which version (the majority said gunmetal: light-gray/silver)

2) numbers wanted/needed

But first, I think we need to know the cost, mailed.

What say you all?

The Oldfella

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 06:04 PM
I can't say for sure what the cost will be until I hear back from the custom department, but this is my guess... they are listed at $2.40 for 250, $1.90 for 500, $1.70 for 750 and $1.50 for 1000. It states that the price is for two colors (gray/silver), but doesn't specify if text (black) is included in that price. An extra color would add 10 cents each. I would assume that it is included, but you know what assuming does for you. :) Beyond that, 20 cents per order for a padded envelope and then shipping. According to the USPS website, you can mail an envelope up to 8 ounces for just under $2, and we should be safe at that weight. I will call or stop by the post office Wednesday and confirm that amount and approximate weight to be correct. If a standard $2 shipping is charged (except in exceptionally large orders), excess from bigger orders would be covered by surplus from smaller orders. Any pennies left in the piggy bank at the end are donated to the NRA or similar organization. What do you all think? Thanks!

oldfella
September 19, 2004, 06:20 PM
Sounds good to me.

2nd Amendment
September 19, 2004, 06:45 PM
What color? Well I'm kind of a pinkish tan... *looks around*... :scrutiny: Nevermind....

Seriously, has anyone printed one of these off yet and slapped it to the side of their car's rear quarter(ya think scotch tape is as effective as the magnets?)? It's dead. I'm not certain what the advertising term would be but it fails utterly to catch attention(in my opinion). I've noticed that in business advertising before, too, when they do the text in silvers and grays. If I had a camera I'd take a pick and show ya. It just vanishes on white cars. It looks better on red but still...lifeless.

True everything is fuzzy from my enlarging and crappy printer but I don't think that's much of the problem. Someone else needs to make themselves a couple and do some test sticking before you all lock yourselves into the color scheme.

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 07:34 PM
2nd, I planned on both shades of gray being darker, but my limited photo editing experience didn't allow me to change them. For final production a slightly darker shade of gray will be used, but keep in mind, too dark and you won't be able to see the lettering. If anyone else has an idea, please make it and post it, I won't be offended. Thanks!

oldfella
September 19, 2004, 07:58 PM
Mattz - I think with the edges a darker gray, as you now have it, will show just fine... but it won't hurt to let the manufacturer show you couple of samples for your review and approval.

The Oldfella

Ironbarr
September 19, 2004, 08:35 PM
The ribbons I've seen appear to be rich - bright, if you will... very visible. But no matter what your final color/text combo is it must be done with proper ink/dye (whatever they use) to fight fading/discoloration.

Nothing like having it gone in three months.

That's why I don't own red cars.

This project is shaping up nicely... and thanks, all, for your efforts.

-Andy

mattz357
September 19, 2004, 10:08 PM
Maybe we should start the "voting." Which design do you like best, and how many you are/would be in for. This will be helpful in determining cost and overall size of the project. Thanks!

oldfella
September 19, 2004, 10:18 PM
I like this one:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1246232

The Oldfella

GOT
September 20, 2004, 12:44 AM
I posted this over on the S&W BB too...

You can't split up the letters "RKBA" or it says something else (nothing). And when the other phrases are split up it fails in its QUICK reading. I think the wording below best lays out all the necessary information to convey the ideas quick and legibly.

Here is my design:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Got10mm/SPORTS/RIBBON2ndammendment000.gif

Comments, opinions?

BHPshooter
September 20, 2004, 01:38 AM
Remember guys, this isn't supposed to be an "inside" thing... RKBA will only confuse some people and lose the interest of the weakminded.

It needs to be SPELLED OUT and SIMPLE. What's wrong with just "Second Amendment Rights"???

Wes

mattz357
September 20, 2004, 08:12 AM
We're really divided on the RKBA wording, but I like GOT's design a lot. GOT, could you whip one up without RKBA on it? Thanks!

Ironbarr
September 20, 2004, 09:30 AM
one too many "m's" - Amendment. Hate to point it out, you have a lot of work in that - it IS very good. Fumigator makes a point. Suppose you consider dropping RKBA and split the text on the two legs to something like "SHALL NOT" & "BE INFRINGED" ?

-Andy

Cacique500
September 20, 2004, 09:46 AM
I also like Got's design - but I think we should keep 'RKBA' on it, where it is.

You going to get a couple designs matt & have a poll on them? I still like the original we discussed as well...

oldfella
September 20, 2004, 09:49 AM
I think this that one covers it very well - I like it

mattz357
September 20, 2004, 11:35 AM
I want to make sure all the design ideas are out before we have a poll. I think Wednesday should be the cutoff, then we'll start the voting. Sound good?

Henry Bowman
September 20, 2004, 01:46 PM
I really like the one of mattz357 that just says "Second Amendment Rights" or that adds RKBA at the top.

As I tried to point out, it's supposed to be a unifying thing and a civil rights thing. It's not a "my cause over your cause" or "in your face" thing. Not everyone who sports a yellow ribbon has a family member in the service. Not everyone who wears a red or pink ribbon has AIDS or breast cancer. I would like to see those who support civil rights, even if not gun owners, to join this cause. (Dreaming, I know.)

No offense, but I don't like the design regansquad is promoting for pre-orders in another thread (with the giant 2A) at all. If you do, great! Buy it and display it. But I think there are plenty of other "non-ribbon" pro gun or pro 2A bumper stickers available already.

Mostly Harmless
September 20, 2004, 02:43 PM
I like the "Second Amendment Rights" design mattz357 posted.

Now, if these are going to be bumper stickers, is anyone planning to make or have made actual ribbons to wear when out of the car?

It's no big deal to get some narrow ribbon, a glue gun, and some brooch pins and manufacture them (pauses to look at purple anti-domestic violence ribbon on cube wall...) I could probably make a couple of hundred easily enough -- enough for people here, all my friends and a couple of dozen for the Badnarik campaign.

It might not be possible to put any wording on them, without resorting to a professional manufacturer, but in conjunction with the bumper stickers, wording might not be needed.

Warren
September 20, 2004, 03:41 PM
A ribbon just does not cut it.

How about an American flag pin with the silhouette of your favorite species (revo, semi, rifle etc.) of gun on it?

GOT
September 20, 2004, 07:42 PM
Mattz357, Here is one w/o the RKBA and the original I did, and one that Henry likes.
Ironbarr, thanks for the spell check... heh. I tried one like you suggested and it just doesn't looks right. Its also not possible to have the same size font for each phrase segment in the two different sized legs of the ribbon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Got10mm/SPORTS/RIBBON2ndammendment001.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Got10mm/SPORTS/RIBBON2ndammendment000.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Got10mm/SPORTS/RIBBON2ndammendment003.gif

Thanks for the comments everybody. Glad I saw this project that Henry started! Its fairly easy to change what the text says as I have it on an separate editable layer (Photoshop).

Ironbarr
September 20, 2004, 07:55 PM
For the "choir" I'd like left & middle (after the fix :) ), but for "The Masses" it would be the one on the right. I think (who cares, huh?) that would be the correct message of the three you've produced.

Opinions - everyone has them, right?

-Andy

oldfella
September 20, 2004, 08:25 PM
The one in the center delivers the message most members want; I'd be for that one... one opinion of many - which ever is finally selected will not please every one.

The Oldfella

mattz357
September 20, 2004, 11:46 PM
I think they all look great. I really like the way "shall not be infringed" looks, but it does seem a little "in your face." Hopefully whatever we decide on will please everyone.

GOT
September 21, 2004, 01:22 AM
Is http://www.magnetamerica.com like http://www.CafePress.com (where they print and ship only what is ordered)? Or does MagnetAmerica.com require a minimum order? If tis like CafePress.com then all we do is submit the design and then people order.

Here are some blank ribbon variations with colored borders that seem to refer to firearms (the brown for wood and the yellow/brass color for ammo shells).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Got10mm/SPORTS/RibbonsColoredBorders.gif

BluesBear
September 21, 2004, 08:24 AM
You can't split up the letters "RKBA" or it says something else (nothing).

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1250382

Well I guess those millions of Railroad Crossing signs out there must be awfully confusing to everyone.

mattz357
September 21, 2004, 08:40 AM
GOT, I've never heard of cafepress.com, so I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure magnetamerica only takes custom orders in certain sizes. GOT, what are you using to create these pictures, they are awesome! I work strange and long hours and haven't had a chance to talk to magnetamerica yet, but I'll try to get all the details tomorrow.

mack69
September 21, 2004, 03:44 PM
I really like this idea, had thought of it many times...now at least someone is acting on it...how soon before we can order them??
Magnet America pricing for custom ribbons here:
http://www.magnetamerica.com/custom.html#TOP

Cacique500
September 21, 2004, 04:34 PM
I back to liking the second one posted - it has everything.

2nd Amendment (for those that don't know what we're talking about)

RKBA - for 'us'

Shall not be infringed - I don't think this is 'in your face' at all - it's the exact wording taken from the 2nd Amendment and it's the most important part of the 'message' we're trying to get across. If we can burn 'SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED' in everyones minds we'd be that much better off.

BTW, was that railroad sign supposed to read 'Railroad Crossing' or 'Crossing Railroad'? :D

dav
September 21, 2004, 04:59 PM
I like how this is turning out.

GOT, I like the gray on gray ribbon better than the colored edges.


Cacique500:
BTW, was that railroad sign supposed to read 'Railroad Crossing' or 'Crossing Railroad'? I think it is a warning that a rail is crossing the road. Hmm, under its own power, do you think?

GOT
September 21, 2004, 06:10 PM
GOT, what are you using to create these pictures, they are awesome!

@Mattz357, thanks! I'm using Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator (industry standard photo and graphic editing applications).


@BluesBear, but those are words. When you take a word/acronym thing like "RKBA" that says nothing of its self and is also not entirely an acronym (and can't be pronounced) and split it up, it loses it's meaning (at worst. At best it’ll be WORK to read it. We don’t want to have to work to read something like that on a little ribbon… at least I don’t :) ). Sure all of US will know, with a little work, what it means, but others will have absolutely no idea. But if we keep the letters together then perhaps those who don't know what it means right off, might be curious to figure it out... IMHO.

Henry Bowman
September 22, 2004, 09:26 AM
I'll take GOT's one on the right (although I'd even drop the RKBA). I figure I can move at least 25 of them. I'll give a few away and it would seen that most gun stores would take 10 of them if they can mark them up in price a little to make it worth their while.

This has really spawned a lot more interest than I ever expected. I hope to see them start showing up on the streets (now flooded with AK47's and UZI's :rolleyes: ) soon.

oldfella
September 22, 2004, 10:22 AM
I'll take 10 of the middle one that GOT came up with... I think that one is the most popular.

mattz357
September 22, 2004, 04:12 PM
Since there are no new design ideas, I'm going to start the voting thread. I'm going to ask for a moderator sticky to keep it at the top. I spoke to Magnet America and they said that we can email them our design when we're ready to order, and then they will size it and email it back. We have to order in increments of 250 and the more we get the cheaper they are. Two colors of gray and black text qualify as two colors, so no extra fees. She said to expect a 5-6 weeks from when we place the order until when we get them (still in time for Christmas). We all HAVE to choose ONE design, so vote on your favorite. Thanks to all who have helped!

oldfella
September 22, 2004, 04:23 PM
Great work, Matt - Thanks.

Pete

mattz357
September 22, 2004, 04:29 PM
Thanks, Pete! Now go vote! :)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102848

oldfella
September 22, 2004, 05:11 PM
Done - The majority rules. Good luck!

Ironbarr
September 22, 2004, 05:42 PM
Nice to have when driving up to the November polling place.

Maybe?

Amadeus
September 24, 2004, 02:12 AM
How about just a little silver/metallic lapel pin -- in the shape of a "2"

Ironbarr
September 27, 2004, 08:59 PM
the "Support Our Troops" - yellow - ribbons I've seen are displayed with the text leg almost horizontal - easily read. This tilts the top of the ribbon well to the right.

With those here suggested, how would they display if tilted to allow the ribbon leg text to be easily read? It would seem that the words/letters within the ribbon loop would be difficult to read/comprehend. Also - tilting allows the ribbon to fit more easily in some confined (vertically) spaces.

For what it's worth.

-Andy

Ironbarr
October 17, 2004, 12:44 PM
Haven't heard a word for two weeks.

Update?

Also - May I have permission to download and use one of these examples (or the finished product if there is one)??

Thanks.

-Andy

Oooops! Just found the order thread... but the question stands.

Yes - No?

mattz357
October 17, 2004, 07:28 PM
Andy, we are go for magnets. We're just waiting for the final design from Magnet America. After that, we have to determine what quantity of each design to order and we're set. I can't give you permission for GOT's design, but if you want one of mine, go for it.

lucky8926
October 17, 2004, 08:04 PM
Matt,

Did they give you an estimate on when they would have the final design?

Troy

mattz357
October 17, 2004, 09:33 PM
I'm pretty sure GOT said in the other thread that he's expecting a response tomorrow (Monday). From there, it is 4-8 weeks for production. With any luck, we'll have them in time for Christmas. They'll make great stocking stuffers!

lucky8926
October 17, 2004, 09:49 PM
Good deal!!!:D

Ironbarr
October 17, 2004, 10:25 PM
Thanks Matt.

Delivery? Would have been a heckuva deal before election.


Hmmmm... I wonder what the effect would have been if they were everywhere this past month.

-Andy

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