[emann]

I've read much lately about Springfield Armory's Xd's and there tendency to have all sorts of problems such as extraction problem's, ejector's breaking and rust problem's with the finish. Have any of you XD owner's had these problem's as well?

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. Zero problems so far, but I only have a few hundred rounds downrange from it.

Best.

[New_comer]

Hope it's not that bad...

Now that I've considered a XD/HS2000 in my "to get" list"... :(

[Tecolote]

The first gen HS2000 had some extractor problems but it wasn't widespread. Typical teething pains of any new design. I haven't read anything bad about them since. I wish I would've bought a HS2000 when they were going for $229 NIB.:banghead:

[Kahr carrier]

My friend has been using an Xd 9MM as a duty gun for months and has not had any problem with the finish rusting or function of the weapon and he put about 150 rounds thru it a week.:)

[jar]

Very early gen 1 HS2K and zero problems of any kind.

[buzz_knox]

Stephen, what model did you get? I'm currently thinking of getting one and would like input.

Also, for those that have the .40 or .357Sig versions, what's recoil and accuracy like? I've used a 229 in .40 and Glock 31 in .357Sig so comparisons to those would be helpful. I realize that recoil comparisons are subjective, but any such input would be beneficial.

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. Mine is the "Service" model XD9 with 4.05" bbl.

Best.

[Brad Johnson]

The extractor problems were identified in early HS2K's, but were corrected with a beefed up extractor claw. Rust problems? Not that I'm aware of (keep in mind that any gun will rust if not given at least a modest amount of preventive care).

Almost 7000 rounds and counting with my Springfield XD9.

Brad

[10-Ring]

The XD 9 & X 357 I've been renting has seen ALOT of rounds & abuse w/ NO PROBLEMs. The range has had the gun in their rental case since Sept '02

[EOD Guy in VA]

Zero problems here with my XD-357

[rblack]

I've got two, a 9 and 40. No problems.............Where have you been reading all this?????????????

[emann]

Over at the HS2000/XD forum. Lately it's been mostly ejector breaking problem's. It seem's to be caused by slamming a magazine in the gun and it hitting the ejector, thus breaking it.

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. Hopefully, this is in older versions and has been corrected. I checked mine just now and the mag does NOT touch the ejector.


Best.

[jem375]

emann.....where have you been reading about the XD's failures?? All the reports I have read or heard is that the XD's are great handguns with very few problems............

[DTOM]

I just got my XD 40 4" last week. I've put c. 400 rounds through it. Unlike my Glock 23, I have not a single feed or eject problem during the first range-day out. Out of c. 450 rounds throught the Glock I had two misfeeds.

The XD fits my hand better than the Glock and seems to be easier to shoot and as accurate or better than the Glock. It just feels smoother and I think it has a little less recoil, but, of course, the XD is heavier than the Glock 23. Both have 4" barrels, but the XD is taller and heavier, therefore a little harder to conceal. The trigger pull on the XD is a little lighter than the Glock too, which I what I prefer.

After striping it down that night, cleaning and lubing, the action is even smoother still, of course. I love it.

The finishing is very nice and I can't see how it could be succeptable to tarnish or rust.

XD's are coming out with a 3 in. barrel in March. Call Springfield for better schedule information.

I have no gripes about the XD, except that it doesn't have as many holsters and after-market accessories available for it as the Glock does. If that matters to you, then you'll experience frustrations trying to find what you need unless you're just very easy to please.

Good shoot'n.

[Hoploholic]

I believe if you go over to the HS2000Talk sight that you will find 2 people who have claims of broken extractors. On a board devoted to the pistol, I would not call that systemic of the design. There may actually be a beef with the finish. I have an HS2000 Gen 3, XD-40 Tactical and XD-40 V10 and have not had any rust on any of them. I do not carry them daily and I take good care of them. You will not catch any of my firearms without a perservative applied. Its just my habit. Again, they are not daily carry guns so I have not noticed any finish wear either. They are my favorite pistols...to the exclusion of all others besides my 2 Makarovs and some 22's. I don't know what stronger praise I can offer.

[El Tejon]

Crocks rock. Tough buggers, good bang for the buck. Have not encountered in such problems in classes where they are present.

[Rob96]

Funny thing over at the HS/XD board, was BrokenArrow posting about two 40cal XD's he just bought and both having problem resetting te trigger/striker after firing the first round. The replies that followed seemed to ridicule him. Think they might be getting like the Glock lovers that just won't accept the fact of something going wrong with a Glock. I love my Glock 19, but I do know that Glocks have had their share of problems.

[Hoploholic]

There may be some like that over there...there are true believers for every make and model out in existance. I have never experienced such a malfunction and brokenarrow's report is the first I have heard. No matter how good the quality control or attention to detail, there will be lemons now and then.

Brokenarrow seems like a nice enough guy but just 2 days after he posted where he had heard of someone else's XD stripping a round from the mag but not cocking the striker he amazingingly found 2 himself that did the same thing! He also has numerous posts where he either says that he likes Glocks better and the XD will never live up to Glock's track record or that he likes XD's better but that they will never live up to the Glock's track record. I am not accusing Brokenarrow with anything but rather making a few observations illustrating why I am taking him with a grain of salt at this time. He has been a member there a long time so I hope I am just full of bolagna!

Do a search on member 125 and judge for yourself.

I did not see any confrontation reply to his post. One person giving him a light hearted hard time and another asking if perhaps he did not clean the firearms before firing them. An honest question and delivered in a reasonable manner.

[DTOM]

I read an article in a gun magazine, which is about a yr. old now, reviewing the XDs (I forget where, though I think it's somewhere on my HD). They wanted to test what Springfield meant by Extreme Duty. The Springfield boys had shown them that dropping it into the dirt without cleaning anything off didn't bother the gun. So the authors put the guns under their 4WD truck and ran over them repeatedly, afterwhich they picked them up and shot several hundred rounds through the guns without a single hickup, and the guns were as accurate as before the abuse. Maybe, Extreme Duty is apt.

People will develope affections for any good tool. I love good design and faithful functionality. The XD is one more tool I've learned to like a great deal.

[Rob96]

Everyone knows, or should know, that any company is bound to put out some lemons. Mike (BrokenArrow) has definetly been around the block with guns, and has a lot of people he can talk to, too find out whats goingon with different makes. He does state he likes the XD better than Glock, but in the same breath he states that the Glock is the better gun because of track record. Look in Handguns magazine. Chuck Taylor did a side by side comparison. He shoots the XD better than the Glock, but can't say the XD is better, because the Glock has the definete long term rating. Love my G19, but keep looking at the XD 9 that is in a dealers case.

[fastbolt]

Forgive me if I chuckle whenever someone compares a fairly new pistol design to the proven track record of Glocks ... Don't get me wrong, though, as I think Glocks are a fine pistol, it's just that they aren't the Grail of handguns that some folks seem to try and exalt them to ...

The very first Glock I ever fired was a G17, about a year or so after they were first released, and it was a rental gun at a local range. I couldn't get it function reliably for a full magazine of Winchester 115gr Silver Tips. The range person told me that G17 had been fired approx 135,000 times, and had only suffered a trigger spring failure, but that the pistol had continued to function 100% until they finally got around to replacing it.

Amazing how that sort of anecdotal story was starting to circulate that soon after the pistol's release ... and of course, he had no excuse for the constant malfunctions I was experiencing with his pistol and his ammunition ... Although I suspected it to be simply weakened magazine springs, myself ...

I've fired a lot of Glocks of various models since then, and even fired the G20, G22 & G23 at a firearms instructors school when they were new. Nice pistols, and no particular problems at that time ... I also handled the G22 that suffered a cracked frame in the CHP testing, which the Glock L/E rep was passing around, to illustrate how Glock had learned from the experience and redesigned the frame to accept an additional steel pin.

Glock has had so many frame, slide, magazine & parts changes since their release that it's difficult to keep up with all of them. "Voluntary upgrades", "enhancements", "generations", "precautionary upgrades" ... but never a "Recall" ... so they're doing something right.;)

After watching a lot of different pistols come through our L/E & CCW ranges, Glocks have sometimes exhibited more malfunctions related to magazines, ammunition-sensitivity, shooter-induced issues (grip strength & stability), and worn magazine and recoil springs ... than some other makes which are represented more often in shooter's hands ... and of course, the usual parts breakages and failures that can occur with ANY pistol, such as extractors. We used to feel sorry for one of the agencies that used our range which had adopted one of the Glock models, and the muttering of their rangemaster/armorer as he frequently took his armorer's box out to work on his shooter's pistols.

I doubt that Glock armorers at GSSF events are ever going to become like the Maytag Repairman, either ... but I've always thought it was a great reflection on Glock that they sponsored such events, and people who owned their pistols could always have them inspected, upgraded or repaired at these events.

All of that being said ... I doubt the manufacturer that makes the HS/XD pistol is going to ignore the teething pains endured by Glock during their development and refinement. I wouldn't be surprised to see the current XD series benefit greatly from increased awareness of minor problems which were experienced by other manufacturers of polymer framed pistols, especially Glocks ... and see the "learning curve" muchly improved.

Take the example of the massive locking block used in the current XD pistols, and the differently designed "frame rails" at the rear of the frame ... Interesting. No potential for breaking frame rails in an XD, it would seem ...

Also, look at the grip angle designed into the HS/XD, and how it approximates one of the most time-tested grip angles in pistols, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel and use some "unusual" grip angle ...

The use of metal magazine bodies ALONE are going to help avoid many of the idiosyncrasies experienced by some Glock owners ...

This is always a good thing for us, the consumer ...

While I'm not particularly enthused about the HS/XD's striker always being fully "cocked" ... long term striker spring strength concerns ... I'm glad to see the company has designed some redundant safeties into a pistol that's always fully cocked when a round is chambered. If the prices remain reasonabe I may decide to try one of the 3" Compact models in another year, or so, after the pistols have been wrung out in more shooter's hands ... and after the Compact is released with a stainless slide.

There's always room for another well-made and reliably functioning 9mm mini-pistol ...

I'm sure that as more shooters run thousands and thousands of rounds through them, the manufacturer will discover anything that requires fine tuning, and which they didn't have a chance to discover when the pistol didn't catch on as the HS2000.

I'll be watching the development of this pistol line with more than a little interest during the next couple of years ...

[jar]

Forgive me if I chuckle whenever someone compares a fairly new pistol design to the proven track record of Glocks ...

Forgive me if I chuckle every time someone mentions the proven track recod of GLOCK. :D :rolleyes:

Now if we're talking about something that's been around long enough to have a track record, say the 1911, HiPower or Smith K frame revolvers, then I say there is something to judge by. But GLOCK, XD, they're both still too new to really be able to tell much. Why I've never even shot a GLOCK or XD that was over 50 years old.:D :D

[buzz_knox]

jar, I think that was his point.

[emann]

It seem's the broken ejector problem's are really starting to stack up now. A few more reported today over at XD talk. I've had mine a week now and haven't had a chance to shoot it. I don't feel quite as confident about it as I did a few week's ago. Anyone here experienced it yet?

[Al Thompson]

emann, I wouldn't worry about it. These things tend to get blown way out of proportion.

In '89 I bought a P85 and found out that the "word on the street" was that it was inaccurate. Mine was fine - stone reliable and plenty accurate.

Shoot yours until your comfortanble with your carry loads. :)

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello again. Put a few more hundred rounds through mine. Still, zero problems and no breakage.

Best.

[Gusgus]

emann,
Keep in mind that before the .40 mags came out, many folk where using 92FS and S&W 15 round mags in these pistols. For the most part, these mags where too long, and would strike the ejector when slammed into the pistol. This could very well cause a stress crack, leading to ejector failure. Proper factory mags do not strike the ejector.

I have one of the first 3rd Gen HS2000s. I've put thousands of rounds through it in the past 2 years without a glitch. It is my home defense pistol. I would trust it with my life. I would also buy an new XD without hesitation. A handful of broken ejectors, mostly caused by ill fitting 3rd party mags, does not an epidemic make.

[railroader]

Not to open a can of worms but I also have a HS 2000. No ejector problems here but I know with my gun the 9mm mags do not touch the ejector, but 40 cal factory mags barely make contact with the ejector when fully inserted in my gun. Not saying this is a problem but there is very slight contact. I would guess that this would be the same with the XD 40's and the 40 cal factory mags. Mark

[railroader]

For an update I fixed my 40 cal mag. I removed a small amount (about 10 1,000th's of an inch) of material where the mag contacted the ejector. All fixed. Mark

[SoDFW Jason]

Rounds: 2000
Problems: 0

XD9

[makdaddy03]

I warned people about these guns over on TFL. But nobody listened. I had one when it was the HS, Man that darn thing was terrible. In other words .(IT SUCKED).:D

[railroader]

makdaddy03, why exactly did your HS suck? Mine runs like a top. Mark

[emann]

It's kind of a shame that something like this had to go and screw up an otherwise good pistol. Everytime you think Glock might finally get some real competition something like this happen's. I doubt many people are going to want to buy one of these gun's now (and I just got one recently) knowing they'll have to ship it off for a new ejector every few thousand rounds. Wonder why Springfield caught and fixed the extractor problem when deciding to import these gun's but failed to notice or correct the ejector's. I guess Springfield's paying some good advertising dollar's because I haven't seen this problem mentioned in any of the numerous gun magazine review's. They sure could have saved me some money and aggravation if they would have. :banghead:

[Gusgus]

I doubt many people are going to want to buy one of these gun's now (and I just got one recently) knowing they'll have to ship it off for a new ejector every few thousand rounds.


emann,
Have you read any of the replies posted here? :banghead:

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. I'll bet the problem is as gusgus mentioned. I just took out my XD9 which has around 500 or so rounds through it now and carefully examined both the extractor and the ejector. No problems. Rechecked the magazines. When inserted, they do NOT touch the ejector.

I plan to wag this thing with me to the range each time I go whether or not I'm primarily shooting it and will try and run a hundred or so rounds through it such that I can get a higher round-count going and actually see if there's any cause for alarm. I'll post when I find anything good or bad.

Best.

[emann]

Yea I've read them and alot more at other sites. You'll are saying the problem is mostly caused by using aftermarket magazines or stock .40 caliber magazines in a XD 9. With that the magazines are longer then the stock 9mm one's and thus hit the ejector. The problem with that is I have the XD 40. I have to use the .40 caliber magazines. It seem's the only one's that don't have to worry about this are the XD 9 owner's who use only the stock 9mm magazines. I really don't like the idea of having to file down my magazines (thus taking a chance of messing them up) like railroader had to either. Did HS2000 ever make a .40? If not is this perhaps part of the problem? Springfield tried to simply expand the line by putting a .40 caliber (and .357 Sig) gun on a 9mm frame without making all of the needed changes first?

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello, sir. If your idea is correct and it does sound reasonable, I think that SA will either make a change in the magazines themselves or alter the ejector a few thousandths. Of course, that doesn't help you right now, but if magazines could be exchanged or SA change out your ejector at their expense, it might be a tolerable situation and you wind up with a reliable pistol for the long-term.

Best.

[makdaddy03]

Jamomatic

[emann]

I believe we just have a troublemaker here with nothing useful to say. :cuss:

[Kcustom45]

I am looking at my girlfriend's XD-40 right now and when the XD-40 mag is inserted there is no contact with the extractor or the ejector. I believe (Correct me if I am wrong) that railroader has a 9mm and is putting the XD-40 mags in it and you (emann) have a XD-40. It should not be a problem I wouldn't mess with your mags at all. If there is something I am missing let me know.

[emann]

Yea I have the .40. In all honesty I have not yet had a chance to break the gun down again since the initial cleaning/oiling I did when I bought it last week and had not yet heard about this problem to pay any attention to whether or not my magazines hit the ejector or not. Having my two year old boy around most of the time leaves little time to mess with my gun to that extent. I'm not exactly anxious now to see anyway being as I think I know the answer. Oh well hopefully Springfield will address this issue in the near future.

[railroader]

Kcustom45, when the 40 mag was just in my gun it didn't contact the ejector but if I pushed up on the mag base I could make it contact the the ejector slightly. So during a speed reload the mag lips would make contact with ejector if I were slap the 40 mag in my gun(not anymore though). As for an actual XD 40, tomorrow I'm going shooting with my buddy who has one so I'm going to check his out. Mark

[Kcustom45]

Ok let me know what you find out railroader. From what I can see it doesn't make contact, but if you slammed it in there I could see how it might (it was very close with the mag fully pressed in). Either way let me know.

[Hoploholic]

Hey emann, I will give you $250 for your XD. This will give you an excuse to get out from under the piece of junk and not lose the shirt off your back. I would not normally be so philanthropic but you story of hardship touched my heart. :neener:

[railroader]

Kcustom45, I checked my friend's XD 40 today. I can make the mag feed lips touch the ejector barely and I must emphasize "barely". Personnally I think if broken ejectors become a problem with the XD 40 Springfield will either redesign them or beef them up. They did that with the extractors when they started importing the XD 9's. I have an XD extractor in my HS. Mark

[Hoploholic]

I checked my HS, Tactical and V=10...mags make contact on all of them. Tried the 40 mags in the HS. The contact was no more or less than with a 9mm mag. The mags are the same exact length and only differ in the depth of the ribs on the side of the mag body. The 9mm mags have a deeper rib.

[railroader]

Hoploholic, the feedlips on my 9mm mags are formed slightly different where they hold the round. They are bent in slightly at the very top of lips where they hold the round, my 40 mag isn't. The way I checked if the mags touch was by putting a small piece of notebook paper between the ejector and the top of the feed lips. On the 9mm mag it won't hold the paper if I pull it out but with the 40 mag I could make it hold the paper tight enough to rip. Mark

[Hoploholic]

That is interesting RR. I am not overly concerned about the contact. Like you state with the 9mm mags, the contact is just minor. In a defensive situation and a tactical reload I think that the pressure of the top round in the mag pushing against the bottom of the slide would prevent the contact. What I am now considering is what would happen if I slammed a mag home with a slide lock. I don't normally do this...correction, I don't ever do this...but it still merits some consideration. They are still my favorite pistols. I do think I will contact SA and talk to them about it though.

Edited to add...


Also, I think the pressure on the sides of a fully loaded mag would cause the mag to bulge slightly and therefore lower where the feed lips rest when fully inserted into the mag well. Come to think of it, I need to load some mags and see if there is a difference!

[railroader]

Hopoholic, to be honest I'm not concerned at all either, I was only making an observation. I got my HS about 2 years ago and I love it. Mark

[Hoploholic]

Roger that!

[Sarge]

Probably just sick Glocks disguised to look like XD's;)

[Kcustom45]

Thanks for the info railroader. I think I will have do that paper test when I get the gun out next time. Do you have the magazine just locked into the gun, or are you applying pressure as you check?

[railroader]

Kcustom45, I'm applying upward pressure to the base of the mag. Mark