Anyone ever had someone point a gun at them at the range?


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realmswalker
February 22, 2003, 12:58 AM
I did, today.

I was taking my new remington 870 to my local indoor range to shoot her for the first time, small range only 6 or 7 lanes. brought along two of my friends. One has shot before the other just went along to watch.

I rented a springfield xd 40 also just to test out. there were two younger kids next to us two lanes over, around 18 or 19 I would say. After I had shot around 50 rounds through the 40 I decided to bring out my shotgun. I saw the two younger kids showing interest in my gun. I asked if they wanted to shoot, one of them said yes.

So I asked them what they were shooting. One of the kids in the booth proceeds to bring the gun around to his right with the barrel pointing at the seperating wall to his right side, Not a good idea right there. before I could say anything he brings it all the way around, hand on the gun, finger off the trigger and the gun is now pointing directly at me. My first thought was to tackle him,strange thought now that i look back but then again I had a gun pointed at me.

But as I saw the slide was racked back, I told him to watch what he was doing and point that thing down range. he did so. the RO didnt see it, and really not feeling like getting the kids yelled at and embarrased so I left it alone.

I think that was a mistake, and regret not saying something. I should have left the kid in for a tongue lashing then let the RO have what was left. That way he would have thought twice before ever doing something like that again and actually shooting someone next time.

Needless to say I finished the shells in my shotgun and proceeded to leave. I didnt feel like letting them shoot my gun at that point.

I just had to get that off my chest and ask if anyone else has had any experience like it and how they handled it.

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CZ-75
February 22, 2003, 01:11 AM
None that lived. ;)




Only time I remember I was 11 years old and some dingy middle-aged lady was loading her gun about 6 feet back from the line at a table then sweeping everyone through 180 degrees of arc when heading back to the line until a range employee got on the loudspeaker.

12.7x99mm
February 22, 2003, 01:15 AM
three times in the last two years. Bastards! I hate that stuff

P95Carry
February 22, 2003, 01:26 AM
Closest I had to that was a guy starting off . and tho he was watched .. he had had a jam in his 9mm . next thing ya know ... he is walkin along the firing point behind everyone ... not so much pointing at a person but ''muzzle sweep'' very much in evidence.

He was quickly stopped, controlled and asked to leave! After being fully dressed down.

blowsomethingup
February 22, 2003, 01:55 AM
some rookie cop yelled over to us on the other side of our range,in the lobby, hey dont point that over here!
the magazine was removed and the action was open
what a dork!
we were inspecting a firearm which was handed over to us by the owner,we were sighting it,the mag was on the counter,and the action was open
I wouldnt want this jerk on my police force,no range eticate

Mike Irwin
February 22, 2003, 02:13 AM
I seem to be a magnet for stupid gun handlers.

sonny
February 22, 2003, 02:26 AM
some rookie cop yelled over to us on the other side of our range,in the lobby, hey dont point that over here!

That's a tough one to call......I hear what you're sayin but a gun pointed at someone is a gun pointed at someone.

What do you think about my logic?....I don't mean to be critical but I have been to plenty of gun shops and ranges where space is limmited and I see this sort of thing happen.I don't know where I stand on that one

sonny
February 22, 2003, 02:27 AM
Sorry ....here's the rest of the quote

some rookie cop yelled over to us on the other side of our range,in the lobby, hey dont point that over here!
the magazine was removed and the action was open
what a dork!
we were inspecting a firearm which was handed over to us by the owner,we were sighting it,the mag was on the counter,and the action was open
I wouldnt want this jerk on my police force,no range eticate

10-Ring
February 22, 2003, 02:34 AM
Yup, more often than I care to mention. It's one reason I don't like shooting when the range is busy; too many idiots renting guns!
Also, once in high school. Very scary incident!

Dr.Who
February 22, 2003, 02:51 AM
Yes, was ROing/scoring an IDPA match and an active Police officer was shoot'n. As he moved to cover, he brought the gun perpendicular to his chest and turned his body. You guessed it, pointed in my direction. Only saving grace, finger was out of triger. He was stopped and DQed. He did not realy know he was doing it. We have a few officers shoot with us, I'm glad they do, they need the practice. The Marines that shoot with us are better than the most of the officers.

Enjoy... :fire:

Sven
February 22, 2003, 02:54 AM
My significant other did this a couple months back, and I sort of jumped back quickly, then explained. She assumed because we both knew the gun was unloaded, that it was OK... or was unaware.

Freaked me out for a sec.

jar
February 22, 2003, 11:15 AM
Not too long ago I was at a State DNR outdoor range down in Florida. There was a large berm at the end of the range and I'd been shooting at some empty plastic soda bottles with my old Colt Army Special. The line was empty so I took a trash bag down to pick up the trash from the day and put out a couple new bottles. As I was bent over a shot hit in the berm about ten feet from where I was standing.

Some Bubba had come to the line and was banging away at the 25 yard targets while I was back picking up trash at the berm.

I shouted something to the gentleman along the lines of "Pardon me, but you seem not to have noticed that I was downrange and I would really prefer that you wait until the range is clear before beginning your practice.", or something to that effect.

His response was, "Stay on your side and you won't get hit!"

sasnofear
February 22, 2003, 11:56 AM
i've noticed this a lot. ppl here mention that they have had a gun poined at them then keep quiet then say "ill say somthing next time"

SAY SOMETHING THEN AND THERE! jezzz, it must just be an american thing of not wanting to make a fuss with other people.

(i realise i may be stepping on toes here- though if im wroung stop me!)

i mean ,really ppl, you need to say something, you seem so paranoided about ppl coming into ur house to kill you then when something actually does happen no-one does nothing about it! though i realise some do something about it- however from the posts i've read here on this subject this seems like what normally happens! which is well...normally nothing!

Adam

sm
February 22, 2003, 12:24 PM
Yes
More than once
Includes ND

Corrected situation immediatly.

MLH
February 22, 2003, 01:14 PM
How many times did you shoot him?:eek:

M1911
February 22, 2003, 01:35 PM
some rookie cop yelled over to us on the other side of our range,in the lobby, hey dont point that over here!
the magazine was removed and the action was open
what a dork!
we were inspecting a firearm which was handed over to us by the owner,we were sighting it,the mag was on the counter,and the action was open
I wouldnt want this jerk on my police force,no range eticateWe'll have to disagree over who was being a "dork" and who had "no range eticate"[sic].

Rule Number 1: Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. That rule applies no matter whether the gun is loaded or not, whether you are "inspecting" the gun or not.

Keep guns pointed in a safe direction and if you don't, then you should expect people around you to get more than a bit upset.

ajacobs
February 22, 2003, 01:37 PM
I am very careful with my firearms handling and I used to give people a severe tounge lashing (as you mentioned) for saftey issues. Then I was in the army four 4 years and while I tried very hard not to let my saftey practices slip, muzzle control is not stressed in the army and people would always be pointing there rifles at me. When I became a squad leader (as an e5) I stressed muzzle control. It was a hard habit for my squad to break. I couldn't really force it on other squads. Frankly by concern over other people pointing guns at me still gave me a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach but it happened all the time and nummed me. But now I am a hunter education instructor and I am a muzzle control nazi again. I don't think twice about slapping a students firearm in the right direction.

Dannyboy
February 22, 2003, 02:44 PM
Just once. I was a lane safety at one of our qual ranges. Some Specialist had a malfunction and instead of just setting the weapon down and raising his hand, he calls me over and when I get there he tells me he has a problem and tries to hand it to me...muzzle first. I darn near crapped my pants. Anyway, I smacked it away with my paddle and yanked it out of his hands. The tower called a cease fire and I commenced to tearing this guy a new hole. I almost had him crying and then the Range NCOIC finished the job. The thing that made it so bad, other than the fact that it was loaded, was that the guy should have known better. I think it's safe to say he learned that day.

sasnofear
February 22, 2003, 02:53 PM
well done danny boy, thats the way 2 do it!

4v50 Gary
February 22, 2003, 03:13 PM
By careless cops, by careless fathers and by overenthusiastic and careless shooters.

mikemck
February 22, 2003, 04:13 PM
i mean ,really ppl, you need to say something, you seem so paranoided about ppl coming into ur house to kill you then when something actually does happen no-one does nothing about it! though i realise some do something about it- however from the posts i've read here on this subject this seems like what normally happens! which is well...normally nothing!

Yeah, I think it's pretty funny myself.

Seething over it, and then posting about it on an internet forum accomplishes nothing at all.

Anyone who thinks they have never had a gun pointed at them is most probably mistaken. Spend any time at all in gun stores, gun ranges, or gun shows, and unfortunately, you have almost surely had a gun pointed at you whether you knew it or not. Probably several times...

The sad truth is, becaus of human nature, it's just not safe being around people with guns....

DeltaElite
February 22, 2003, 05:14 PM
Yup, happens all too often at the po-po range. :(
Happens even more often during combat courses. :(

vertigo7
February 22, 2003, 05:56 PM
Been muzzled quite a few times. It happens at a gun store far more than it does at a range. At the range, I make it a point to quickly step out of the way and gently but firmly tell them not to do it again. I don't want them reflexively yanking the trigger because they were startled when I delivered unto them the severe verbal beat-down they had earned. I've started thinking seriously about investing in body armor to wear to the range specifically because of this sort of thing.

vertigo7

Standing Wolf
February 22, 2003, 09:19 PM
It's happened to me twice. My response both times was a very loud, "Don't you dare point that gun at me!" 50% of the time, the dummy understood what I was saying.

.45Ruger
February 22, 2003, 09:51 PM
Thank God, I have not had the experience

ChristopherG
February 22, 2003, 11:33 PM
My 11 year old boy swept me with our (unloaded) .22 once this year. I reiterated the rule about where you do and don't point guns, and told him that the next time he swept a human being would be the last time he touched a gun for 12 months.
cg

cliffdropover1
February 23, 2003, 12:27 AM
Unfortunately this idiocy happens all the time. We have an idiot at our indoor range where we shoot bowling pins in competition. He has often come up with his gun slide closed and walking around with it. He more than once, while using two revolvers, threw one down on the table and grabbed the second to continue the match. (two revolvers are allowed here. One as a backup) Anyway, the first gun fell to the floor. I was not on the range at the time. I later came out to be the Range Officer and upon hearing what had happened, warned him that if I saw him do it, I would throw him off the range. He whined that when the gun stopped spinning on the floor, it ended up pointing down range. What an idiot! I repeated that I would throw him off the range. When you see ANYONE handling a gun unsafely, yell scream and threaten. I have told guys at our range many times, I would rather have them pissed off at me then shot. :banghead:

bad_dad_brad
February 23, 2003, 12:56 AM
I had some moron swing a Hi-Point pistol POS towards me today at a gun show. Man that made me mad. I hanged back. Said nothing. But did not walk forward until he put the thing down.

P95Carry
February 23, 2003, 01:39 AM
I do often wonder, with those thoughtless a$$ holes who transgress ..... how happy would they be to have a muzzle pointin their way??? Not too many I'd reckon. But then ... those guys rarely actually THINK!!!

This makes me think of another but allied thread .... hmmm ...........

Double Naught Spy
February 23, 2003, 10:19 AM
I actually purchased a level IIIA vest primarily because of unintended gun pointing at the range. I find it amusing that folks think me paranoid for wearing a ballistic vest and some that have said so are the very persons who scare me. Only on the range have I knowingly had a loaded gun pointed at me.

More often than not, the person doing the pointing has had some sort of distration. Of course, it is this type of issue that causes folks to have car accidents where a distraction draws away their full attention from operating the vehicle. Various distractions I have noticed are excitement about a good target hit, a malfunction, trying to show a feature on a gun to another shooter, changing guns, walking in to set up, walking out to leave, injury during firing (such as cut thumb when holding a semi-auto handgun wrong while firing), gun fright/recoil fright, and simply turning to chat with a range buddy.

What infuriates me are the folks who either can't learn proper muzzle discipline, folks who get pissed when they are corrected for such infractions, or those who pass off the infraction as not bein serious because their finger was not on the trigger or the gun was supposedly not loaded.

To be quite honest, I figure I stand a greater chance of being shot by some idiot at a gun range who isn't being safe than being intentionally shot by some bad guy. Hopefully, neither will happen.

standingbear
February 23, 2003, 11:39 AM
if the cylinder is removed in a revolver,an someone asks me to inspect the gun cause its not shooting correctly or something has came loose,i dont have "a cow"over it,ive had people show me the muzzle(crown) plenty times on a cylinderless revolver,bolt less rifles checking the rifling-call it what you will.if a person has an auto and its cleared by checking it 3xs and the slide is locked back-gun handed butt forward,i have no problem checking the crown for damage or the forcing cone in a revolver minus the cylinder.if i had a cow each time i saw it happen on a slide locked back and cleared gun,id look like someone playing twister.just my .02 cents

jar
February 23, 2003, 12:46 PM
MLH asked : Jar
How many times did you shoot him?



Wasn't really necessary. Since I worked for the GA, DNR and knew the range officer there, a short conversation made sure that the gentleman in question left the range and will not be welcomed back. He may find it hard to get a CCW in Florida as well. :D :D :D

Dave T
February 23, 2003, 07:11 PM
some rookie cop yelled over to us on the other side of our range,in the lobby, hey dont point that over here!
the magazine was removed and the action was open
what a dork!
we were inspecting a firearm which was handed over to us by the owner,we were sighting it,the mag was on the counter,and the action was open
I wouldnt want this jerk on my police force,no range eticate


Actually, the "jerk" is you. Rule No 2 is "Never cover anything you are not willing to destroy". It doesn't say anything about the magazine being out or the slide being locked back.

I spent my last 6 years before retirement as my department's chief firearms instructor (400 armed personnel). I was covered not just by the muzzle but by loaded firearms so many times I lost count. I would be glad to have had that jerk on my police force.

Schuey2002
February 23, 2003, 07:36 PM
Not yet! [knock on wood];)

mdsteele
February 23, 2003, 08:26 PM
He was talking to a guy about a Para .45. At the end of the conversation he (still looking at the guy) dry fired it while it was pointed at my head.

I had watched and listened to a little bit of the exchange so I knew it wasn't loaded.

Still a little scary though. Sheesh!

standingbear
February 23, 2003, 11:10 PM
dry fired it at your head..that would create a big problem.

Jesse H
February 24, 2003, 12:55 AM
Just today.

Buddy and I was shooting steel (first time btw, it's a BLAST) and the guy next to him completely sweeps buddy and me while walking around us. I noticed the slide was locked back but it still didn't feel right.

RO noticed and talked to him about it.

Jesse H
February 24, 2003, 01:00 AM
Oh, and if I can keep my pistol pointed downrange, finger off the trigger, while hot brass jumps down the back of my shirt...everybody should be able to w/out the painful distraction.

coonan357
February 24, 2003, 01:06 AM
ok Jesse , what brand are you winchester or remington ??, I know the feeling I have a circular scar on my back just below the neckline from a .357 shell that bounced off the duct work in the range from the coonan , I know its a winchester.... ouch ,ouch ,ouch ..:what: :what: :D

Blackhawk
February 24, 2003, 01:09 AM
Yep, but not with malicious intent. More like the actions of careless, unconscious twits. Still quite disconcerting.... :what:

Skunkabilly
February 24, 2003, 01:20 AM
Yes...I was gonna call the cops...but they were already there :D

Kahr carrier
February 24, 2003, 04:23 AM
Yep once by a Cop that was showing me his gun and once by a coworker who wanted to show me his 1100 that he just inherited that was a scary one it had an 00 Buck shell chambered and the safety was off .He never checked it when it was given to him ,that was the first time he had taken out the soft case.:)

Albert Shear
February 24, 2003, 09:54 AM
Well I am a former LEO(disabled) and now am the manager/gemologist of a pawn shop with an ffl. I have customers bringing in weapons every day. Some do not know the gun is loaded and some do not know how to unload it. They carry it muzzle facing forward(at us) most of the time. A ballistic vest for me thank you very much!
A few years ago at a gunshow here in Va.(which I was at) a patron looked at a .380 semi. The dealer was distracted by another customer and did not see the first man insert a loaded magazine he had brought in (his personal gun was checked at the door, but he kept the loaded mag in his pocket) and rack the slideto make sure it worked. He then took the mag out and handed the gun back to the dealer. The dealer seeing the hammer was back did what he had done thousands of times before, he pulled the trigger to lower the hammer. A 12 year old boy was struck in the leg, THANK GOD he was not killed or permanantly injured. This all happened from start to end in less than a minute according to the dealer. DO NOT ASSUME THE NEXT GUY IS AS SAFETY CONSCIOUS AS YOU! MURPHY LIVES.

Double Naught Spy
February 24, 2003, 10:11 AM
Blackhawk, unfortunately such unconscious or unintended muzzle transgressions by twits can get you just as killed as being shot by bad guys, which of course you know. I figure it is the unintentional aspect that makes it so hard to defend against.

There is one other type of loaded gun incident that scares me as well. It is the error committed by the shooter with his own gun. In the five or six months leading up to when I purchased a ballistic vest, there were 5 range deaths I read about in the US that were not murder or suicides. Two were here in Texas. One was a gun stashing his gun bag in the back of his car when a loaded gun discharged from inside the bad, struck and killed him. Another was the range owner looking at a buddy's gun in the parkinglot when the gun he was holding discharged into his torso and killed him. Another was a guy who had worked on a Desert Eagle .50 cal and was shooting it for the first time to function test and managed to point the gun at his own head during recoil from the first shot. Unfortunately, the gun managed to be discharged by him at that time. The other two incidents were by one shooter unintentionally shooting another on the firing line.

treeprof
February 24, 2003, 12:14 PM
Happens far too often. Tuesday nite, some woman dropped the slide on her rental Glock after inserting a loaded mag, w/finger on trigger, while pointing it at my head. After many bad words spoken loudly on my part, she and her loser boyfriend left. There is virtually no supervision by the staff at this place, and I am seriously considering not renewing my membership.

2dogs
February 24, 2003, 01:13 PM
No, but now I know why I like to go to the range when it is least crowded.:)

coonan357
February 24, 2003, 04:35 PM
several years ago one of the people I shoot with decided to let a person who had no knowledge of firearms handle her 80 series colt in 38 super . this person had racked the slide and had her finger on the trigger and swept every one on the firingline and she was standing behind the line , just pointing away like nothing is going on , as soon as someone yelled and all 6 of us guys dove for cover behind the pickups and I yelled at the gunowner to remove the weapon from that person immediately and the person holding the gun was like whats going on ???(airhead style ) . needless to say that person will not give any weapons out to anyone to "try "or handle unless they pass my rules test and instruction .eventhough her husband is a big guy (bigger than me ) but he agreed to everything I said . because he was the one behind me seeking cover :uhoh: why am I always the human sheild?? :what:

P95Carry
February 24, 2003, 06:17 PM
Is it possible to maybe let all ''newbies'', and in a safe manner, see just what a damn bullet does?? So many cases I have come across and some discussed here .. the last being a real (and very worrying) classic, make one wonder whether some ***holes ever have a clue of what kinetic energy means!!.

In the early days (long ago!) when my own kids were introduced to guns and shooting .. I demonstrated what even a humble .22LR would do to a piece of meat ..... when that was reinforced by the effect of a hollow nose on a can of water ... or even the ole faithful ''melon'' .... they were VERY respectful of the guns in general.

Add to that the mandatory teaching of the main rules ...... and I know they were starting off right. In later years it was rarely necessary to chide them other than maybe .. ''keep finger off trigger till ready'' etc ..... relatively minor, when gun is always pointing in a safe direction.

It cannot be overstated, that the ''rules'' are for good reason .... cos it only takes the one ignoring of same to provoke a tragedy .... even if other times people ''get away with it''. Even at risk of seeming a tedious and boring ole fart .. I will still drum this discipline into people ... sometimes too, those who should know better!

I have had two instances of error myself ..... which I freely admit .... one was an A/D into ground, while in ready position in a compo ... of course, that disqualified me but .... no one was in any danger.

The other (most embarrassing!) was when I put two 20G shells in my Mossberg, to go deal with a snake .... fired one shot .... and other round was of course in mag ...... went to put gun away in basement ... muzzle pointing at floor .... and racked action to check chamber - no shell flew out, because chamber was empty but --- .... did not pay attention and so chambered the 2nd round. Then went to ''dry fire'' and ... BOOM!! .... a hail of shot hits the concrete ... !! Stupid was hardly the word .. it was crass negligence but ..... by following the ''always point away from anything you don't wanna hit'' ....... no harm was done .... only a huge dent in my ego!!

It shook me I can tell ya! Long time ago now... salutary lesson.

hutch24
February 24, 2003, 07:28 PM
Haven't been swept as of yet. But yesterday I took the CCW class and the head instructor informed us that if we swept any of the RO's it would be concitered a threat to thier live and they would respond accordingly. :what: Needless to say everyone was very concious of where their muzzle was pointing. :D

keyhole
February 24, 2003, 08:43 PM
Being a LEO, and a range officer, and firearms instructor, I have heard stories, and had it happen to me. Like we tell those who live with guns, there are those who will, and those who have, ( AD's). Just glad that when it happens, they haven't shot something important, or someone. Had a good friend shoot his gun safe one day while showing me his newest acquisition. After he let one off, putting a hole in the door of the safe, he said, " t was unloaded!" I replied, "Guess not, you have a hole in your safe!"
Stuff like that reminds us to pass along the reminder to others, and hope that it sticks!

scottgun
February 25, 2003, 03:34 AM
some rookie cop yelled over to us on the other side of our range,in the lobby, hey dont point that over here! What a dork

Huh?, and you have a badge? Check the title of this post, it is "Anyone ever had someone point a gun at them at the range?" not "Have you ever pointed your gun at someone at the range?" Unfreakingbelieveable.

jimmy
February 25, 2003, 12:10 PM
My brother's stepson was shooting my S&W Model 639 at the range one day when he conceived a question about it. I was next to him on the firing line, so he turned to me--the gun in his hand turning with him--to inquire. My brother and I both noticed immediately that the muzzle was pointed right below my breastbone, so we quietly but firmly asked him to point the gun downrange. We asked quietly because we didn't want to rattle him with his finger on the trigger. When the young man realized what he had done--against all the instruction he'd been given--he was suitably apologetic. Many people only learn by experience. So it was a lesson for him, luckily not at my everlasting expense.

LASur5r
February 25, 2003, 01:12 PM
Open air ranges, closed ranges...anywhere where they let the general public in....kids, adults, etc, etc...My usual reaction? Go up to the person when he's not loaded (gunwise) and explain quietly what rule they broke. Then I ask them how would they feel to have a gun pointed at them?
Then I pack up my gear and walk out. Then I tell the range master if I can find them.

s&w 24
February 25, 2003, 03:43 PM
after working at a pistol range for 3 years on and off way too many times--- and the damn thing is that the owner only DX'ed one of the worst ofenders after the RO (not me) took a 45 hardball round thru the gut!:fire: This is why I feel that anyone that even thinks at looking at a firearm let alone picking one up should have a saftey class first!

Carlos Cabeza
February 25, 2003, 06:46 PM
Some good stories here. It's happened to me more than I care to remember. When I'm at the range I try to have good "situational awareness" at all times. I prefer to drive an hour or so out of town to shoot outdoors whenever possible. I can't stand the feeling of a hot weapon pointed at me so I go alone most of the time. When I do go with a friend I/We are always reinforcing safety and handling practices to each other. But............even the most safety conscience person occasionally flubs the rules and must be REPRIMANDED HARSHLY !!!!:D

Safety is a state of mind, get into it !!!!!!:cool:

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