Disturbing Email


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YammyMonkey
September 20, 2004, 12:47 AM
Here is the text from an email I received on Sun:

Welcome to our web site www.shadowcrew.com/phpBB2/index.php

Please use http://63.240.81.5 in case of our domain outage.

You're invited to shop for large selection of bombs and different kinds of rockets such as surface-to-air,
surface-to-surface and weaponry available at reduced price. With the following types of rockets you will be
able to commit terrorist attacks, destroy buildings, electric power stations, bridges, factories and anything
else that comes your mind. Most items are in stock and available for next day freight delivery in the USA.
Worldwide delivery is available at additional cost. Prices are negotiable.

Please feel free to inquire by ICQ # 176928755 or contacting us directly:

+1-305-592-2222
+1-919-319-8249
+1-314-770-3395

Today special:

******* AIR BOMBS *******
OFAB-500U HE fragmentation air bomb
Fuel-air explosive air bombs -Not in stock
BETAB-500U concrete-piercing air bomb
ZB-500RT incendiary tank
500-KG SIZE RBK-500U unified cluster bomb
RBK-500U OAB-2.5PT loaded with fragmentation submunitions
RBK-500U BETAB-M loaded with concrete-piercing submunitions-Not in stock
RBK-500U OFAB-50UD loaded with HE fragmentation submunitions

******* UNGUIDED AIRCRAFT ROCKETS *******
Main-purpose unguided aircraft rockets
S-8 unguided aircraft rockets
S-8KOM
S-8BM-Not in stock
S-13 unguided aircraft rockets
S-13, S-13T, S-13-OF, S-13D, S-13DF
S-25-0
S-25-OFM
S-24B -Not in stock
RS-82
RS-132-Not in stock

******* ROCKET PODS *******
B-8M pod for S-8 rockets
B-8V20-A pod for S-8 rockets
B-13L pod for S-13 rockets

Recently received *NEW*

Hydra 70 2.75 inch Rockets
Air-Launched 2.75-Inch Rockets
FIM-92A Stinger Weapons System
Stinger 101: Anti-Air

Our clients are well known Al-Qaida, Hizballah, Al-Jihad, HAMAS, Abu Sayyaf Group and many other terrorist groups. We are well known supplier in the market and looking forward to expand our clientage with assistance of Internet.

Do not hesitate to contact us via ICQ # 176928755

Impatiently awaiting for your orders,
ShadowCrew



I looked through Snopes with no luck, any idea what is going on here? This doesn't seem like your average Nigerian scam or Spam. If it's a joke, I don't think it's very funny either.:fire:

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SteelyDan
September 20, 2004, 12:55 AM
Wow. I don't know how I'd react to that.

My only guess is that you were visiting some website that acquired your email address. I'm pretty ignorant here, but maybe take some steps to beef up your internet security. Run Ad-Aware, SpyBot, maybe switch to Firefox browser, get a firewall, I don't know.

Another possibility would be to call the police or someone and tell them what happened. I don't know if I'd do that or not, but I'd at least think about it.

SoCalGeek
September 20, 2004, 12:58 AM
It's definitely a joke. If they were for real I doubt that these people would be anything less than completely selective about who they offer their services to, and especially not to go so far as to advertise via email to Americans with no terrorist connections. Besides, they don't consider themselves terrorists and would not refer to themselves as such. As for the fact that it's not funny, well, there's no accounting for taste.

ShadowOne
September 20, 2004, 01:10 AM
Maybe it's a sting operation by the feds.

crewchief
September 20, 2004, 01:11 AM
Maybe this info will help with figuring out who these people are. I would try to contact a local field agent (FBI) and give them a copy of that email you posted along with the below info I dug up. Tell them that it may be some sort of joke, but with the way things are today it is not a very funny one and we all need to do our part in "homeland security"
This is what I got as the regestration of that shadowcrew domain:

Registrant:
Shadow Crew scdomains@yahoo.com 1-305-592-2222
shadowcrew
13876 SW 56TH ST, #294
MIAMI,FL,US 33175-6021


Domain Name:shadowcrew.com
Record last updated at 2004-08-14 20:35:25
Record created on 2002/7/9
Record expired on 2005/7/9


Domain servers in listed order:
ns-east.cerf.net ns-west.cerf.net

Administrator:
. scdomains@yahoo.com 1-305-592-2222
shadowcrew
13876 SW 56TH ST, #294
MIAMI,FL,US 33175-6021

Technical Contactor:
. scdomains@yahoo.com 1-305-592-2222
shadowcrew
13876 SW 56TH ST, #294
MIAMI,FL,US 33175-6021

Billing Contactor:
. scdomains@yahoo.com 1-305-592-2222
shadowcrew
13876 SW 56TH ST, #294
MIAMI,FL,US 33175-6021


Registration Service Provider:
name: Midwest Direct
tel: (555) 555-5555
fax: None
web:http://www.trafficbreeze.com








This is what I have on that IP address that they gave also:

OrgName: CERFnet
OrgID: CERF
Address: 5738 Pacific Center Blvd
City: San Diego
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 92121
Country: US

NetRange: 63.240.0.0 - 63.242.255.255
CIDR: 63.240.0.0/15, 63.242.0.0/16
NetName: CERFNET-BLK-5
NetHandle: NET-63-240-0-0-1
Parent: NET-63-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: DBRU.BR.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET
NameServer: CBRU.BR.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET
NameServer: DMTU.MT.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET
NameServer: CMTU.MT.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1999-11-03
Updated: 2001-08-06

TechHandle: CERF-HM-ARIN
TechName: AT&T Enhanced Network Services
TechPhone: +1-858-812-5000
TechEmail: notify@attens.com

OrgTechHandle: NETWO10-ARIN
OrgTechName: Network Provisioning
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-876-2373
OrgTechEmail: iptool@attens.com

Third_Rail
September 20, 2004, 01:51 AM
What's that Schmuckatelli? You and your boys at work?

You see, fellow THR-ers.... the BATFE and FBI, et al, consider terrorists to be idiots. What better way to scam them than with a scam e-mail?


:rolleyes:

Yes, that was heavy sarcasm. Report that e-mail to the Dept. of Homeland Security.

Hawkmoon
September 20, 2004, 09:16 AM
Log onto www.411.com and do a reverse search on the phone number(s). It might show who they belong to (or it might not, which would be interesting in itself).

Zrex
September 20, 2004, 10:04 AM
Claire Wolfe posted on her blog a week or 2 ago about shadowcrew.com:


SHADOWCREW AND A FIREFLY'S DILEMMA. A question came up today. The kind of question we don't like to think about now, but that will devil us in the future days when freedom's been driven entirely underground.

I've recommended Shadowcrew.com as a place to ferret out really hardcore info about alternate ID. Shadowcrew isn't for the faint of heart and isn't for anybody who's just looking to Google some quick info and leave. It's an online underground, where you have to watch, listen, and learn for a long time -- and then be careful before you act.

One TCF firefly registered there then emerged with the horrified discovery that the Shadow Crew are criminals. Crackers. Identity thieves. "They're talking about stealing credit cards and breaking into the e-mail accounts of ordinary Joes," this firefly wrote. "Do you know of any other site or group that's got slightly more noble intentions?"

This firefly added an ironic smiley, indicating that he knew his hope might be slightly misplaced. And that's just the thing.

Steeped in fantasies of "heroic" freedom Outlaws (from Robin Hood to Repairman Jack), we like to believe that our future freedom underground will be entirely pure and virtuous. Yes, we'll trade in banned goods. Yes, we'll used forged IDs or "real" IDs that are illegally obtained. Yes, we'll do our banking privately, without Mr. Ashcroft's successors peeking over our shoulders. Yes, we'll smuggle. Yes, we'll hide fugitives. We'll do it all someday, when things get that bad and America resembles Everyday Stalinism. But we nice, mostly middle-class, mostly college-educated, mostly hyper-ethical fireflies don't like to think that criminals (not just romantic Outlaws) are the folks who do such things best.

Criminals have the skill, the experience, the ruthlessness, the connections, the amorality, and the will to do some of the "noble" things we fantacize about doing in the name of freedom.

We may start out with some clean, noble freedom black markets -- and we may even preserve a few of them on a small scale. But just as in Russia (or Chicago of the 1920s), once you force ordinary trade and ordinary life activities underground, you get ruthless criminal syndicates. Too many noblehearts will get quickly busted. Or driven out by fiercer competitors.

Shadowcrew is a tiny taste of what we're eventually going to have to live with if we fireflies are forced to fly in underground caverns beneath a lost and corrupted America. It ain't pretty. But it's still better than submitting to the omnimptent Big Nanny state.



Its under September 9th about 2/3rd of the way down this page:

http://www.clairewolfe.com/blog.html

Graystar
September 20, 2004, 10:15 AM
Foward it to the feds and let them deal with it.

NavajoNPaleFace
September 20, 2004, 10:37 AM
Why take a chance, in the first place, and open e-mail from someone you don't know?

Not me!

JPL
September 20, 2004, 10:48 AM
I just got a sixpack of Stinger missiles from them.

Excellent prices, and great service! :)

(That was a JOKE for anyone who wants to jump down my throat...)

erik the bold
September 20, 2004, 11:01 AM
I just got a sixpack of Stinger missiles from them.

Excellent prices, and great service!

Those are good for the up-coming deer season, right?? :D

Zrex
September 20, 2004, 11:55 AM
Is the migratory bird limit 3 stingers or 2 up there in Michigan?

erik the bold
September 20, 2004, 12:02 PM
Is the migratory bird limit 3 stingers or 2 up there in Michigan?

I think you're allowed to use up to three stingers to bag two birds, but I've never hunted waterfowl. Would probably help with the excess goose population up here, or at least encourage more to fly south for the winter :D

YammyMonkey
September 20, 2004, 12:31 PM
I bet one of those stingers really would spin a deer around and toss him at least 2 or 3 feet.

Forwarded a copy to Homeland Security via their website.

JPL
September 20, 2004, 12:49 PM
Deer season?

I don't hun....

Uh...

Yeah!

Deer season!

deanf
September 20, 2004, 07:01 PM
Foward it to the feds and let them deal with it.

No. Refuse to recognize the illegitimate power of the federal police forces. Contact state authorities. In this case it appears to be Florida.

Waitone
September 20, 2004, 07:38 PM
Send it to the federales.

Don't think for a minute that if something bad happens the feds will ignore you. You will receive their tender loving mercies and during the investigation you are the one with the problem, not them.

If the federales are trolling what better was to re-insert their labors bristles first.

Deavis
September 20, 2004, 07:47 PM
Somehow I wonder how a group that is involved in ID and credit card fraud were smart enough to get their hands on that kind of ordinance and yet dumb enough to send out an email advertising it. :scrutiny:

Muzzleflash
September 20, 2004, 08:38 PM
Don't knock the geeks that do carding and ID fraud.

They usually have well stocked houses with good electronic gear, poor home security, and no guns. If they do have guns, they're not good at them. Best yet, they'd be scared to go to the cops over anything.

Think of them as 'outlaws'- you can do pretty much whatever you want to those people once you gain their trust, track them down, and they don't know who they are, short of physical damage to their bodies (at that point they're likely to figure going to jail for their activities is worth going to the cops for protection).

I'm not encouraging criminal acts. I don't commit criminal acts.

I'm just sayin'. If I were a predator, they'd be the perfect prey.

Ex-Doc
September 21, 2004, 12:01 AM
Send it to Dan Rather

dustind
September 21, 2004, 05:29 AM
Does anyone know when they are getting a shipment of Fuel-air explosive bombs?

Ok seriously. I am pretty sure this is a joke e-mail. I would have laughed, then deleted it.

hecks68
September 21, 2004, 08:20 AM
FYI- I would stay away from any of those types of sites. For your own protection.

jefnvk
September 22, 2004, 02:48 PM
My guess, after joke, would be sting-op

Muzzleflash
September 22, 2004, 03:23 PM
My guess is it's not from SC but it's someone setting them up to look bad.

Identity theives, carders, and zombie kids all swim in basically the same stinky ocean, and it's a culture of backstabbing and infighting.

Nightfall
September 22, 2004, 04:44 PM
Wow, the Feds are getting really lazy with their stings. :neener:

sawhitt
September 22, 2004, 05:02 PM
Sick. Just sick.

OF
September 22, 2004, 05:15 PM
Today special:I'd love a Stinger, but you think if I wait a week they'd be on special?

- Gabe

2nd Amendment
September 22, 2004, 05:31 PM
Something for the delete folder. Real or fake it isn't something I'd care to get my monicker attached to even in the reporting thereof.

2nd Amendment
September 22, 2004, 05:35 PM
Hmm, their main page states that for the last year they have been under various attacks, including people sending email offers under their name. They do not promote kiddie porn, send unsolicited emails, etc...

Ryder
September 22, 2004, 06:30 PM
I would not take it seriously for one minute but there's no way I'd simply delete it. Could be entrapment to nail people for not doing their patriotic duty. Used to be such tactics were illegal but who knows now? Given the Patriot Act, the wording of this note, and the voracity of our legal leeches I doubt you'd even get a trial. CYA.

Muzzleflash
September 22, 2004, 06:38 PM
I say again, people. Not a sting. It's as if someone just sent out a bunch of emails purporting to be from shadowcrew.com saying WE ARE ALL GAY.

Same thing except this one is more stupid and less funny.

CaesarI
September 22, 2004, 09:38 PM
A cursory examination of their website: www.shadowcrew.com indicates that they do not in fact send out spam, or advertisements, etc. and apparently have been targeted by groups that do not like them in a campaign to (presumably) bring federal pressure down on them.

Thus it is likely that:
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It is not a Fed sting, but rather, it is the result of an independent group (as the feds don't send out e-mails to get attention on particular sites, rather the feds infiltrate and prosecute such).
Since they apparently do fake IDs I'll wager the modern day temperance movement is behind the effort.
Sending e-mail to the Feds is your call, but I think the Feds have better things to worry about than whether or not little Johnny is drinking beer (or *gasp* hard liquor!)
The feds don't give a flip about this website because it is easy to infiltrate.
If Mr Muslim Terrorist uses this site, there is a government computer program that quickly figures out who he is, and then quickly busts him.
*If* the e-mail was sent by the feds, then it is designed to attract the attention of any incompetent terrorists (and let us hope they are many) who believed the VPC and HCI (BCPGV) propaganda regarding the easy with which "assault weapons" may be acquired within the US.
[/list=1]

This being the case... I'm calling this one a false alarm. That means all the wannabe snitches, and all the tinfoil-hat folks worried about government entrapment can drop their blood pressure. If the government (or anyone else) was trying to entrap you, they'd be a LOT smarter about it than that.

-Morgan

Rebeldon
September 22, 2004, 10:15 PM
I'm sure it's a joke...but it's a very sick joke. I'd forward it to the proper authorities.

Muzzleflash
September 22, 2004, 11:05 PM
double tap

Muzzleflash
September 22, 2004, 11:09 PM
Sending e-mail to the Feds is your call, but I think the Feds have better things to worry about than whether or not little Johnny is drinking beer (or *gasp* hard liquor!)

I'd forward it to the proper authorities.

what

jefnvk
September 23, 2004, 01:52 AM
I would not take it seriously for one minute but there's no way I'd simply delete it. Could be entrapment to nail people for not doing their patriotic duty. Used to be such tactics were illegal but who knows now? Given the Patriot Act, the wording of this note, and the voracity of our legal leeches I doubt you'd even get a trial. CYA.

Hate to say it, but if a sting op is something people think is unlikely...

I like the identity theft idea. Should have thought of that one myself.

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