John Kerry the Fellon!!!


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Zedicus
September 20, 2004, 01:43 PM
http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/firingline/shotgun_kerry.htm

Shotgun Incident Worsens for Kerry


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:


Sep. 18, 2004
Contact: Felicity Bower 1-800-707-4020
BLOOMFIELD PRESS

New legal research by gun-law expert Alan Korwin indicates that merely accepting a gift shotgun from a private party out of his home state would be a five-year federal felony for Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, the Democratic candidate for President [see United States Code, section 922(a)(9)]. Giving him the gun would also be a felony [922(a)(5)].

National news reports picture Kerry proudly holding the gift in Racine, West Virginia, during a Labor Day celebration. Bringing the gun back to his home state would be an additional five-year federal felony, under the massive and bewildering federal gun laws, as previously reported by Bloomfield Press.

The shotgun, identified in published reports as a semiautomatic Browning, was actually a semiautomatic Remington model 11-87. News reports suggesting it was a gift from Remington would be an illegal donation from a corporation to a candidate, and the value of the shotgun would exceed campaign donation limits as well.

In a statement published in Gun Week, Remington CEO Tommy Millner denied any involvement with the gift, saying, "Rest assured, we were neither aware of this presentation in advance nor in any way supportive of its intent to support Senator Kerry. In fact, the Company remains amused by ongoing photos of Senator Kerry shooting without either ear or eye protection while discharging a firearm."

Reportedly outraged at the implication of an illegal gift, Remington rushed the release a public statement denying any association with the gift, saying, "Remington Arms Company has made no endorsement of any presidential candidate. This endorsement and presentation by the UMWA was made independently of the Remington Arms Company and the Company did not coordinate with or endorse the actions of the union."

A local of United Mine Workers of America (UMWA) represents workers at the Remington plant in New York where the highly regarded shotguns are made. UMWA President Cecil E. Roberts presented the gift according to Gun Week.

The greatest news error however appears to be that Mr. Kerry may have not accepted this gift, despite so many reports to the contrary, which cast the Senator as a pro-gun politician.

Reporter Matt Drudge had previously noted that Kerry introduced a bill which would have outlawed this particular sporting shotgun, because it is semi-automatic and has "any characteristic that can function as a grip."

Dave Workman, senior editor at Gun Week, contacted Washington, D.C.-based Kerry campaign spokeswoman Kathy Roeder, who said the shotgun was, "returned to the person who bought it," and that the gun is still in West Virginia. This reportedly took place immediately after all the photographs were taken of the Senator holding the gun. The actual current location of the shotgun is not known.

According to Workman's report in Gun Week, "Roeder acknowledged that Kerry could not legally have accepted the shotgun and taken it with him, anyway, under existing gun-control laws." It is not clear whether Roeder and the Kerry campaign were aware of this when the stories of the gift and photos were taken and widely circulated.

Questions as to Kerry's intent, in leading the media to believe he was in fact a gun supporter, by smiling and gladly receiving the shotgun gift, are unresolved as this Bloomfield Press news release was posted.

This places many news outlets in a difficult position. If they all retract their stories that Kerry accepted this gift, it will harm the image they conveyed of Kerry as a gun-friendly candidate, seen as necessary to win states like West Virginia. Al Gore lost largely democratic West Virginia (and Tennessee and Arkansas) in 2000 due to the gun issue, according to many observers.

News outlets are known to sometimes be reluctant to retract stories. If the media refuses to retract the stories, or if the Kerry campaign fails to issue a correction, then all the published articles and photos stand as evidence that the candidate committed the felony offense. Additional information is posted at the Bloomfield Press website, gunlaws.com, under the blue News Accuracy button.

In an effort to help smooth the waters, nearly 3,000 news outlets nationwide are being notified of this situation by Bloomfield Press. The public is encouraged to send this report to their local newspapers and broadcasters. It is hoped that the media will contact Kerry directly, and either retract the story, or confirm their account. Did John Kerry, in fact, receive a gift of a fine Remington shotgun?

If Kerry did accept the gift as widely reported, and as a legal matter, his transfer of it back to an unidentified person in West Virginia, without involvement of a licensed dealer, an FBI background check, and with no paper trail, may also be a felony.

Gun-law expert Korwin is again calling for calm, as these unbelievably confusing laws are sorted out, so the democratic candidate for president can continue his effort to attain the highest office in the land.

"Again, I implore the public to have patience. If the democratic candidate for president cannot figure out the gun laws, how on earth could mere gun owners be expected to do the same. Kerry deserves the same leniency we would all expect to receive. This is America, where we're all treated equally under the long arms of the law."

ROFL I Love it when Elitist Govt idiots get Nailed with there own Laws!!!:D :neener:

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Lone_Gunman
September 20, 2004, 02:51 PM
There is only one "L" in felon.

Zedicus
September 20, 2004, 02:56 PM
Sorry, Typo.

Tamara
September 20, 2004, 03:01 PM
If Kerry did accept the gift as widely reported, and as a legal matter, his transfer of it back to an unidentified person in West Virginia, without involvement of a licensed dealer, an FBI background check, and with no paper trail, may also be a felony.

This accusation only makes us look stupid, unless we know for a fact that Kerry physically transported the gun himself out of the state.

Kerry was free to take the gun, use it (ie. wave it about at a photo op) while he was in the state if he wanted to (as a loaner), and then have it mailed to an FFL in any state where he was a legal resident, where he could then pick it up.

Mulliga
September 20, 2004, 03:24 PM
Oh hell, he probably dumped it with one of his aides. sKerry probably doesn't like the idea of an icky shotgun on his yacht. I mean, look at how he holds them.:neener:

Lone_Gunman
September 20, 2004, 09:04 PM
This accusation only makes us look stupid, unless we know for a fact that Kerry physically transported the gun himself out of the state.

That is true, but all we have from either the Republicans or the Democrats in this election has been accusations about the other side.

The issues have quietly been forgotten, and it has boiled down to who made a bigger ass out of themselves during Viet Nam, and who has broken the most petty laws since then.

NukemJim
September 21, 2004, 09:32 AM
This accusation only makes us look stupid, unless we know for a fact that Kerry physically transported the gun himself out of the state.

Agreed wholeheartedly !(Tamara once again you are a calm voice of reason.)

However this did seem to bring up another issue that I believe is actually more interesting. While reading on this I found a reference to a magazine interview in which Kerry states that he owns a "Chinese assult weapon" since his home state has registration and an AWB (IIRC) this quote and a check with public records would show exactly what the situation is legally and in so far as believeability, or rather lack thereof.

NukemJim

Tamara
September 21, 2004, 09:47 AM
While reading on this I found a reference to a magazine interview in which Kerry states that he owns a "Chinese assult weapon" since his home state has registration and an AWB

Don't forget that like most in his income bracket, Kerry quite possibly satisfies the residence requirements of more than one state. I think we have muckrakers workin' this angle even as we speak, though. ;)

Hawkmoon
September 21, 2004, 10:32 AM
Kerry deserves the same leniency we would all expect to receive. This is America, where we're all treated equally under the long arms of the law."
I can't escape the notion that firearms expert Korwin is speaking a bit sarcastically. I agree that Kerry should be treated with the same leniency any of us can expect from the BATFE ... which means he should already have been arrested, chanrged, and undergone a preliminary hearing to set bail. Being an international figure with sufficient resources to go anywhere, his passport should have been surrendered.

That's what would happen to any "ordinary" citizen.

wingedmonkey
September 21, 2004, 12:24 PM
There is more on this story and the related claim about owning an "assault weapon" in the NSSF Bullet Points from yesterday. YOu can read it at http://www.nssf.org/BP/. Click Current Edition and it is the first story.

sendec
September 21, 2004, 01:03 PM
New levels in lame.

Give me a shotgun as a gift, I wont complain.

Exactly how many people has the BATFE popped for something this petty? Do you think an agent is going to waste their time on this? The answer is no, call one up and ask.

For all the berating that befalls the BATFE, few individuals who are otherwise law-abiding get themselves arrested. It is always some friend's second cousin who knew a guy whose sister..........

Sleeping Dog
September 21, 2004, 01:46 PM
This accusation only makes us look stupid, unless we know for a fact that Kerry physically transported the gun himself out of the state.

First, Kerry never physically transports anything. He has people who carry his luggage, papers, bicycles, etc. So someone else would transport the gun.

Second, this sure doesn't seem like any kind of crime. This means that if my brother visits from out-of-state, and I give him a "legal-everywhere" rifle, like a M1 Garand or Remington 40-X .22 bolt gun, he can't legally toss it in the trunk and drive home with it? We would have to visit a FFL and he'd have to fill out the yellow fed form? That's pretty stupid.

And if Winchester presented president GWB (or GHWB, or even Clinton) an engraved model 1895, they'd have to first fill out a form and run a NICS check on his background?

I didn't know federal laws were that strict on long guns.

So Tamara, I don't think this makes us look stupid. But it shows that many of us are uninformed or unaware of the fine points of firearms transfers.

Regards.

Stebalo
September 21, 2004, 02:05 PM
Kerry is also conspiring to facilitate children to commit criminal acts.
Allow me to explain.


According to McCain Feingold finance reform, of which Kerry was a sponsor:

`SEC. 326. PROHIBITION OF CONTRIBUTIONS BY MINORS.

An individual who is 17 years old or younger shall not make a

contribution to a candidate or a contribution or donation to a

committee of a political party.'.



But according to Kerry on the Regis Philbin show (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040921/D8583PJG0.html)

Kerry campaign donors apparently come in all sizes. He told Philbin and Ripa that a woman in New York gave him $385 that her 8-year-old son had raised selling homemade campaign buttons, and a 6-year-old in Philadelphia handed over a plastic container with $685 he had earned selling homemade campaign bracelets.

artherd
September 22, 2004, 02:12 AM
in 1935, 'few' people were prosecuted for illegal machinegun ownership too...

We need FACTS on this people, not more conjecture.

"Again, I implore the public to have patience. If the democratic candidate for president cannot figure out the gun laws, how on earth could mere gun owners be expected to do the same. Kerry deserves the same leniency we would all expect to receive. This is America, where we're all treated equally under the long arms of the law."

So, what, he should be convicted of the same felony I would? Hypothetical nonsence UNTILL we see some evidence. OF course, should evidence be presented, this could turn into a real ????-storm.

I predict we will see a press release claiming that Kerry was 'loaned' the shotgun, and that it was subsequently returned to it's lawfully owner, all on the up-and-up...

(except that whole part about misleading the public...)

What you want to bet the whole thing is burried untill after Nov?

artherd
September 22, 2004, 02:16 AM
Second, this sure doesn't seem like any kind of crime. This means that if my brother visits from out-of-state, and I give him a "legal-everywhere" rifle, like a M1 Garand or Remington 40-X .22 bolt gun, he can't legally toss it in the trunk and drive home with it? We would have to visit a FFL and he'd have to fill out the yellow fed form? That's pretty stupid.

You'd better belive it's exactly as serious as indicated, a FELONY. Not just a crime mind you. We're talking losing your right to vote, to ever own any guns, and a jail sentence.

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