[Khornet]

www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030221-050

Crowd at peace demonstration "Less than half" what organizers claimed.

Actually, 65K is less than ONE THIRD of 200K.

[Khornet]

my flow-estimation is bad too:

www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030221-050222-6573r

[Malone LaVeigh]

Check your dates, Khornet. That's a different rally than I estimated. I was at the event in January, and stand by my rough estimate. The worldwide protests last weekend happened on Saturday, SF had their rally on Sunday, for some reason. Unlike the January event, there were a lot of local actions throughout the state on Saturday so I have no doubt fewer showed up in SF. We had about 5000 in Sacramento on Saturday. LA also had a big event.

As an aside, in spite of an attempt to get counter-protesters out by the local right-wing station, I counted a peak number of 24 in Sacramento.

[Khornet]

...max number at a pro-Bush fest yesterday: 2000. Pitiful. But the story illustrates how different the estimate can be when you're on the ground, projecting what you see in front of you onto a much larger area that you can't see, compared to a larger field of view from the sky.

[Khornet]

of COURSE I know it was a different rally. The point is reliability of crowd estimates, which seems to me to be historically poor.

[CZ-75]

As an aside, in spite of an attempt to get counter-protesters out by the local right-wing station, I counted a peak number of 24 in Sacramento.


Yeah, imagine that. Only 24 conservatives who don't have jobs.

[Malone LaVeigh]

Yeah, imagine that. Only 24 conservatives who don't have jobs.That's realoly lame. Some of us aren't total slaves and don't have to work on Saturday. Yet. Give the Repugs a chance, and it'll probably change.

Everyone I was there with has a job. Can't speak for the rest of the crowd, but from the look of them, I'd say they were at least as employed as the antis.

Maybe more antis have to work OT to pay for the SUV. (As long as we're indulging in stereotypes.)

[Malone LaVeigh]

of COURSE I know it was a different rally. The point is reliability of crowd estimates, which seems to me to be historically poor. The organizers, police, and media always play the estimate game. I just know what I saw and presented my methodology.

It's interesting that the Chronicle decided to go after a rally everyone knew would be smaller to play "gotcha" and discredit all of the earlier estimates. Couldn't be an agenda there, do you think?

[Sir Galahad]

It makes no difference if 5 or 500,000 "anti-war" demonstrators show up. The President took an oath to defend this nation, not get permission from a few dissenters first. You're all wasting your time if you think waving some smarmy slogan around is going to change that. The anti-war movement was proven wrong when the Cold War ended and, lo and behold, it was a strong stance that ended it ultimately. But, hey, knock yourselves out. It's your First Amendment right. But you aren't going to stop Iraq getting taken out. And I'll bet 9 months after it's over, 90% of the protestors will have forgotten all about it and be back to putting "Meat is Murder" stickers on the meat counters of supermarkets for their big blow struck for "freedom".:rolleyes:

[CZ-75]

And I'll bet 9 months after it's over, 90% of the protestors will have forgotten all about it and be back to putting "Meat is Murder" stickers on the meat counters of supermarkets for their big blow struck for "freedom".


Aw, you're just stereotyping. ;)





Some of us aren't total slaves and don't have to work on Saturday.


And some of us aren't public sector employees. I'd grant that, with Kali's govt. payroll, a large percentage of these were teachers and the like. The rest work at Starbuck's when not playing in their band.

[jmbg29]

Everyone I was there with has a job.You may not believe this, but most people don't see self-loathing, America hating, and agitprop raving as a "job". I'm pretty sure that CZ-75 meant an endeavor that is productive when he used the word "job".


Sandi Neesta? Awww hell, we blowed him up!:D ;)