Winchester Rangers.


September 20, 2004, 06:26 PM
I've heard very good things about the performance of this ammo for SD purposes, but Winchester, and their politically correct "Not available to the general public" BS makes it hard to find. I know people get it, but where?

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September 20, 2004, 08:17 PM
I just get mine at my local store.

I know that's not much help, but usually there are people on here or on some of the other forums selling it.

September 20, 2004, 08:36 PM
I tested some thru Rohrbaugh R9 .... and they certainly ''expand'' .. in a sense ...... and with a ''difference''. Not quite the ''pretty'' expansion we may see from Gold Dots but ... almost certainly pretty nasty in the damage department. They would not though be my first choice by a long chalk.

This was using just wetpack for this result..........

September 20, 2004, 09:38 PM
The cheapest place to get it (when they have it in stock. They sell out quickly at these prices) is here (

Proload in Idaho also carries it. Here's ( the link to their RangerT page.

There's also a guy in Fla that carries it. He advertises at Glocktalk. I think his name is something like Jerry Fitzgerald.

I've bought Ranger T from all these sources and they're all good people to deal with.

September 21, 2004, 08:42 PM
Wow Chris, that is pretty impressive expansion for 147s from such a short barrel!

The Winchester Ranger Ts are typically right at the top of the pack in most calibers and weights. It is more difficult to find for most folks and very often more expensive. I really like the Gold Dots in all calibers and the Golden Sabers in 40 and 45... not so much in 9mm.

Truth be told, if you aren't shooting through car doors or drywall, all the rounds listed are probably pretty darn close in stopping ability. I did have access to relatively cheap 165 Gr 40 Ranger Ts, but in 9mm and 45, I think there are other very viable choices that are easier to get and cheaper. But I do have some interest in those 147 Gr Ranger Ts... Very impressive expansion and a good weight.

You do know the story behind the Black Talons which became the Ranger T series, right? By the way, what caliber are you particularly interested in?

September 21, 2004, 10:54 PM
what caliber are you particularly interested in? Me? Or general question? For me . 9mm and .45 acp are the areas of interest. I am tho pretty much a Gold Dot fan thru and thru these days ... and am almost exclusively using these for both cals re carry.

I used to be Fed HydraShojk oriented but since checkin out the 9mm's thru R9 . have been less impessed with terminal performance. Not fair perhaps when barrels get longer but . Gold Dots just seem to ''do the job'' regardless ... to me a very predictable and reliable result.

Meant to add ... re my SP-101 tho - still use the 110 CorBon 38 +P........

September 22, 2004, 09:36 AM
I get my Ranger-T from Jerry. Always on the level and prices are very reasonable.

- Gabe

September 22, 2004, 01:00 PM
These guys ( usually have some in stock at most times. Click on the ammo tab at the top. The other site I've always found it available is at Proload ( Just type in Ranger in the search box.

September 22, 2004, 10:47 PM
Me? Or general question?
My bad... I was asking the original poster which caliber he was most interested in. :p

September 23, 2004, 11:52 AM

Fired those in mud - not the most perfect medium but the Ranger Black Talon Expanded nicely and kept it's wheight - can't say that about the Federal hydra-shock.

September 23, 2004, 08:39 PM
As far as I know, the SXT line is not the same ammo as the Ranger-T. I hear the performance difference is marked, too. 'T' series stuff is what you want, not SXT.

.45 part numbers are RA45T and RA45TP for the +P.

- Gabe

September 23, 2004, 10:37 PM
I think the Ranger SXTs and the Ranger Ts are one and the same... Brown box with a LEO badge marked 'For Law Enforcement Only'. They come in boxes of 50.

I think the 'lesser' SXT come in boxes of 20 or 25.

September 24, 2004, 08:58 AM

- Gabe

September 24, 2004, 09:13 AM
I have both Ranger T and Ranger SXT ammo.

IIRC, the Ranger T is in a brass case with a black bullet and the Ranger SXT is in a nickle case with a copper bullet. Both have 6 "petals", both come in the "Law Enforcement Ammunition" 50 round tan box.

What is the difference, if any, in the performance of this ammo?

September 24, 2004, 12:05 PM
What is the difference, if any, in the performance of this ammo?

Not a whole lot. Follow this link:Ranger Ammo Information ( Look under the section Winchester Black Talon Revisited

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