need help with Beretta 92FS images, please


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max popenker
September 21, 2004, 03:53 AM
hi
i'm looking for a specific hi-rez pics of Beretta 92FS

1) top view on the slide, with visible locking wedge cuts, to illustrate the potential weakness and the point of the breackage on early 92F guns

2) side view on the slide retention device (enlarged head of the hammer pin), with or (ideally - and) withouth the slide

3) if possible, view on the hammer pin head of any pre-FS Beretta 92, to illsutrate the difference

Thanks!

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max popenker
September 23, 2004, 06:18 AM
btt

Akurat
September 23, 2004, 04:53 PM
Hey max, you might have more luck over at www.berettaforum.net , but don't expect to make many friends bringing up your subject matter there. ;) The problem you mention is 90% hearsay, 9% anecdotal, and 1% fact.

max popenker
September 24, 2004, 02:39 AM
well, it happened before... and it happens just now; France-made PAMAS G1 pistols (licence-built 92G's) are now experiencing same slide cracks, and it is first hand info, both from French official sources on the web and from one of my contacts, who is an armorer in French army.

The fact is that Beretta open-top slides, combined with tilting latch locking, are inherently less strong than close-top systems; they might be fine for standard ammo and proper manufacturing, but the safety margins are somewhat thinner for 92's, than for any closed-top pistol of otherwise similar properties

just my opinion, of cause, i never been a fan of Beretta...

MMcCall
September 24, 2004, 03:24 AM
The French pistols were made with inferior steels, and have no metallurgical bearing on the Italian and US made guns. The introduction of the 92FS brought about the mechanism to keep the slide from coming off the frame, even if it separates.

A modern manufacture Beretta is immune from these issues, even if abused with hundreds of rounds of contra-indicated +p ammo as in the military trials.

Island Beretta
September 24, 2004, 05:44 PM
here we go again with this slide frame issue..do a search on the net the 'stories' and the facts will come (which one you take is up to you!!)

dakotajake
April 27, 2007, 11:29 PM
As a materials and metallurgical engineer that has studied the Berretta slide failures, I would give my opinion. The original M9s had some flaws, primarily in bad alloying of the steel, there were additives that made the material easier to machine, but resulted in it being weaker post heat treatment. Secondly, the old slide style has a hard fillet (sharp corner) rather than a radiused fillet which acted as a stress riser and was an initiation point for fatigue failure. This is what brought down the de Havilland Comet. Both of these problems were solved in the early 90ís. The Berettas are now very well made guns, and have some of the tightest lockup I have ever seen.

Honestly, how many rounds will a civilian expect to put through a handgun, especially +P loads. Maybe 700 or 800 in a year, unless you shoot competitively. In the military, a weapon was a hand-me-down that may have seen several thousand training rounds before it got to you (it happened to me), and was already worn out. I would expect, that barring the apocalypse and the world turning into Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome, The slide on a new 92FS should last several decades of casual shooting. If itís really a concern, just replace the recoil spring with something heavier. But for a gun that I spent less than $500 on (brand new Police Special at a gun show), it is as smooth as gun as I have ever purchased.

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