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feedthehogs
September 21, 2004, 04:20 PM
There is a rumor going around that Colt has notified its dealers not to sell the law enforcement or military carbines to civilians lest you take a chance on losing your ability to buy or dealership from Colt.

Anybody know whats up?

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Lone_Gunman
September 21, 2004, 04:27 PM
I have heard the rumor, and it wouldn't surprise me if its true considering some of the other things Colt has done over the years.

It is amazing to me a company can make as many bad decisions as Colt has and remain in business.

I do like their guns though, just wish they were run better.

Bobarino
September 21, 2004, 04:32 PM
you'd think Colt would be willing to sell their AR series to as many people as possible being as they are going to lose their contract to supply the U.S. Military after next year. they have the same attitude as H&K it seems. i like both of their products but their stance on civilian sales sucks at both companies.

Bobby

El Tejon
September 21, 2004, 04:43 PM
Too late!:D

Nothing like a pony on the receiver.:cool:

TheFederalistWeasel
September 21, 2004, 04:47 PM
What a fitting end to a dying company.

buzz_knox
September 21, 2004, 04:53 PM
I had already got mine before hearing the news.

gigmike
September 21, 2004, 06:43 PM
According to gundealer3 and local dealers in my area Colt has indeed cut off the pipeline to their civilian distributors. Apparently the distributors are raising a ruckus w/ Colt so stay tuned.

RevDisk
September 21, 2004, 06:45 PM
Colt is losing almost all of its military business to Fabrique Nationale. For good reason, FN is making better products at cheaper prices.

Dionysusigma
September 21, 2004, 06:51 PM
I find Colt to be the Sony of AR-15s. The products suck, and they're not compatible with industry standards. I, for one, will not miss them if they do go the way of the passenger pidgeon.

Nothing like a pony on the receiver. :cool:
Snakes are cooler than horses. :cool: :D

PMDW
September 21, 2004, 06:56 PM
If colt does not want me to purchase one of their products, I will heed their wishes. No colt firearm will ever touch these hands, nor will any of my money ever go to their company.

They're over priced, anyway.

PBIR
September 21, 2004, 06:59 PM
I called them yesterday. The m4 le/mil's that are already out there in the distribution pipeline are ok to sell to whoever. The new productions are supposedly all going to fulfill LE/Mil contractual obligations first. The rep I talked to at Colt wouldn't say what will happen after those contracts are fulfilled.

r/s

Dan

NoScreenName
September 21, 2004, 07:43 PM
Hmmm... Now if only Bushmaster would start making a 1911 type pistol. :D :neener:

Black92LX
September 21, 2004, 10:12 PM
Snakes are cooler than horses.

unless they are badged together. ohh wait we are talking guns not cars here. sory:D

Harry Tuttle
September 21, 2004, 10:19 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101601

powertoast
September 21, 2004, 10:40 PM
< Now if only Bushmaster would start making a 1911 type pistol.

What I would like is a Bushmaster AK-47. But thats never going to happen. Now, back on topic . . .

Dionysusigma
September 21, 2004, 10:53 PM
Also see http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83806 ...

2nd Amendment
September 21, 2004, 10:56 PM
OK, why's it never going to happen? I mean I'm sure there must be an obvious reason but I'm not seeing it. I'd think the market would certainly be there. :confused:

mrapathy2000
September 21, 2004, 11:03 PM
they stay in business cause people that like theyre products and hate theyre policy keep purchasing theyre products

Dionysusigma
September 21, 2004, 11:47 PM
Their... :uhoh:

Clean97GTI
September 21, 2004, 11:56 PM
This isn't totally unheard of in other industries.

Goodyear isn't selling their Wrangler MT tire in 37x12.50-16.5 to distributors right now at the request of the US military. The ones in stock are OK to sell, but very few new ones are going into civilian hands. Just in case you didn't guess, this size and model are the ones that go on the Hum-vee and civilian hummer.
The fed has also asked Parnelli Jones to reserve a few of their "Dirt Grip" tires in this size for gummit use. Civilian hummer owners are a little pissed right now to say the least.

Colt may just be concentrating on military/LEO contracts first. Either way, I'd take a Bushmaster if I was interested in an AR. I'd much rather have an Arsenal Inc. AK in .223

Browns Fan
September 22, 2004, 09:17 AM
Quote:
"What I would like is a Bushmaster AK-47. But thats never going to happen. Now, back on topic . . ."

An American made AK? Now that's a interesting concept!

Highpower1
September 22, 2004, 09:30 AM
Has anyone confirmed this as truth?

Nightfall
September 22, 2004, 10:09 AM
'tis a shame. During the AWB, I put a picture of a Colt LE carbine on my desktop to remind me of what I wanted after putting work into the sunset. Well, if Colt wants to be pissy little elitists, I'll take my business elsewhere. I'm not going to bend over backwards to buy a rifle from a company who tells me to go **** myself. Rumor seems to have it there will eventually be M4 style rifles with telescoping stocks and flash hiders, but minus a bayonet lug. No thanks, I didn't wait ten years for voluntarily neutered PC rifles. I want ALL the evil features.

Filling mil contracts first is one thing, but this is purposely telling your civilian customers to get bent.

Hawaiian Nightmare
September 22, 2004, 05:58 PM
With the exception of a few 30 Colt AR mags, ive severed all ties to COLT. They make me sick to put it flatly. They have been around for so long and for them to fold under pressure of the gun control lobby (back in the 90's) says a lot about them. I feel the same way about S&W. COLT modified their AR's above and beyond all Federal regulations a long time ago. Big hole front take down pin, auto sear block, and off set auto sear block hole. They dont even make mil spec AR's for civilians. I have always preferred bushmaster or DPMS. COLT can go away for all I care.

HN

Wildalaska
September 22, 2004, 06:46 PM
COLT can go away for all I care.

Cant afford one, huh?:D

Love to see people wish a gun comapny to go under simply becasue their business model doesnt acced to their personal weltanshauung...

WildsuchvisceralhatredisastonishingAlaska

Standing Wolf
September 22, 2004, 07:31 PM
It is amazing to me a company can make as many bad decisions as Colt has and remain in business.

I think Colt is "in business" only nominally.

Jim4003
September 22, 2004, 09:06 PM
I used to love buying colt products but it seems they have no real interest in surviving into the future. When they should be working with the customer they go the other way and do not seem to care. One product I loved was the small colt 380's. They seemed to be popular with a lot of folks and they seemed to sell good at the gun shops and gun shows so why get rid of a good thing. Everything they sell now seems almost impossible to obtain and the product line is small compared to the past and to other companies. I had dealings with their customer service about ten years ago, it was obvious then that the company had no concern for the customer. That was when I quit loving to buy Colt. I am still an avid fan of Smith and Wesson, sure they had their deal with the devil but they now seem to be trying to make it good. At least they are in my eyes. Smith and Wesson does appear to be attempting to serve the gun people with their products. They are an example of what customer service should be. If colt survives thats fine but if they dont improve the product line, availability, and customer service I wont miss them.

BHPshooter
September 22, 2004, 09:14 PM
An American made AK? Now that's a interesting concept!

Ever heard of Arsenal? They are supposedly made in America... I don't know if that means assembled, or actually made...

At any rate, they are not AKs made from stamped sheet metal. :barf: They are milled receivers. :D My friend has one... they are certainly shooters.

www.arsenalinc.com

Wes

EDIT: Okay, they are made in Bulgaria, assembled in the US. Better hurry if you want a milled one... look here: http://www.arsenalinc.com/announce.html

Wildalaska
September 22, 2004, 09:31 PM
I think Colt is "in business" only nominally.

Been like that for most of their business life...can you say...Paterson?

WilditsagovtcompanyAlaska

bushjumper
September 22, 2004, 10:48 PM
Colt is owned by the anti-gun state of Connecticut. I'm sure they probably don't want civillians to buy their products.

That said, I don't buy the "don't sell to civillians" rumour that is making the rounds. I believe that what Colt actually said is that they won't have production for civillian rifles until sometime next year. Also, theres alot of non-evil (post-awb) colt's out there. I'm sure they would like to sell those before they start making new ones.

Give it some time, there will be plenty of Colt's with no-ban features.

However, if you want the "Law Enforcement Only" stamp on your's for collector value, feel free to pay the gougers prices.

Bulldozer
September 22, 2004, 10:48 PM
God, I miss the Colt that gave us the Magnum Carry, Pony & Mustang Micro 380s, and Pocket Nine, plus the Series 70s.

Where did they go!?

My sole Colt gun is the Combat Commander passed down to me from my father. If I came across a magnum carry that'd be a grabber.

SOT_II
September 22, 2004, 11:15 PM
As I am a Colt LE dealer I will tell you EXACTLY what the problem is.

In the late 80's and early 90's Colt was thisclose to going out of business. The state of CT had over $40 million in their pension fund invested in Colt and Colt was being sued by every creditor they had.

The state made a deal with Colt to help them become viable again, not to sue them, not to withdraw their investments, so on and so forth.

One of the "deals" was that Colt would NEVER make a civilian assault weapon again. Now as a Colt dealer (LE and Commercial) in order for me to get product I had to sign an agreement with Colt about the LE guns (this was during the AWB). It basically said I would not sell LE guns to civilians...and didn't have an end date, it didn't have something saying that if the AWB was over I could.
It was and is an agreement between two companies, a contract if you will.

Now the AWB is over, Colt has not recinded the contract or issued a letter saying we can sell the LE Only guns to civilians, they haven't sent out letters saying we are making post AWB guns for civilians...now maybe they will but I'm pretty sure they won't....why because they, like I, had to agree to certain things to sell their products..and I am DAMN sure the state of CT isn't going to let them out of their agreement.

To that end, it was an antigun move on CT's part. It was also self preservation for the State of CT to protect their investments...notice how many states sue gun makers?

Now there are plenty of delaers who have trade in Colts with LEO markings...some of them are LE dealers and some are not. I know I have 28 LE Only colt trade ins sitting here waiting to be exported. Now some dealers may decide it's worth it to sell a LE Only colt to civillians, some delaers who are not Colt LE delaers can get these guns from other dealers or on trades to departments...that's their deal. I sign an agreement, I stick to it until told otherwise...

El Tejon
September 22, 2004, 11:26 PM
I am soooo glad my dealer does not have the same worldview!:D :cool:

Black92LX
September 23, 2004, 12:24 AM
I sign an agreement, I stick to it until told otherwise...
And i respect you for that.

But since they "Sold Out" persay. I'll be giving my money to Bushmaster or Rock River. I guess it's a sacrafice they were willing to pay. and i am sure they are regretting it now.

bushjumper
September 23, 2004, 12:26 AM
Now there are plenty of delaers who have trade in Colts with LEO markings...some of them are LE dealers and some are not. I know I have 28 LE Only colt trade ins sitting here waiting to be exported. Now some dealers may decide it's worth it to sell a LE Only colt to civillians, some delaers who are not Colt LE delaers can get these guns from other dealers or on trades to departments...that's their deal. I sign an agreement, I stick to it until told otherwise...


That's fine as long as your business prospers on selling only to LE or to other dealers.

While you do that, I and the rest of the gun buying public will be helping my civillian friendly dealer fatten his bank account.

I understand if you don't want to risk losing a distributorship from colt, but I think people like you will only ultimately hurt yourselves by missing out on a LOT of sales. Take a hard look and think about just how much business you would do if only LE could buy guns and you had ZERO civillian sales. If the answer is that you would do just fine, then do what you want. Otherwise, you should rethink that policy.

meathammer
September 23, 2004, 12:29 AM
Why buy a Colt?

AR=Armalite

:D

bushjumper
September 23, 2004, 12:34 AM
Now there are plenty of delaers who have trade in Colts with LEO markings...some of them are LE dealers and some are not. I know I have 28 LE Only colt trade ins sitting here waiting to be exported. Now some dealers may decide it's worth it to sell a LE Only colt to civillians, some delaers who are not Colt LE delaers can get these guns from other dealers or on trades to departments...that's their deal. I sign an agreement, I stick to it until told otherwise...


That's fine as long as your business prospers on selling only to LE or to other dealers.

While you do that, I and the rest of the gun buying public will be helping my civillian friendly dealer fatten his bank account.

I understand if you don't want to risk losing a distributorship from colt, but I think people like you will only ultimately hurt yourselves by missing out on a LOT of sales. Take a hard look and think about just how much business you would do if only LE could buy guns and you had ZERO civillian sales. If the answer is that you would do just fine, then do what you want. Otherwise, you should rethink that policy.

JohnBT
September 23, 2004, 09:00 AM
"I miss the Colt that gave us the Magnum Carry, Pony & Mustang Micro 380s, and Pocket Nine, plus the Series 70s."

Have you looked at the WWI reproduction and the Series 70 repro? I can't say enough good things about the WWI repro I bought.

John

cracked butt
September 23, 2004, 09:39 AM
I never even considered buying anything by Colt, now I'm for sure not going to.

entropy
September 23, 2004, 09:41 AM
Colt....As a preface, I sit here with my Colt belt buckle on as I type this;
Another fine example of a quality company (think early Pythons, Officer's Targets, M1911's...) ruined by state ownership. (or technically partnership, but then there's reality)
What the heck is an anti-gun state such as Conn. doing owning a gun company, anyways? Perhaps an attempt by the anti's to control the market? I say heavily publicized that fact in CT, and let Colt die the deserved death it should have years ago. Like Ruger, I like the products, but cannot stand the management's position. Ruger sold out to the anti's figuratively, and Colt literally, and I cannot see supporting such hypocrisy. I would not buy a new Colt or Ruger for this very reason, even though I like the new WWI 1911 repro, and most of Ruger's guns. If I wanted an AR-15/M4gery, I'd just build it, and use an Olympic, ASA, or RRA reciever.
Hey, bulldozer and jim4003, if you want to know where all the Mustang .380's went, it is a favorite of gangbangers.;)
Colt was a pioneer of American gunmaking, and led to way for many, many years. It eventually was mismanaged to the point where the State could get it's grubby little meathooks into it, and this was the coup de gras , everything since then has been it being artificially propped up by the state for whatever nefarious purposes it has in mind. Sad.:(

JohnBT
September 23, 2004, 10:26 AM
That's right. Let's put Colt and Ruger out of business. Then they'll never have a chance to mend their ways.

So many negative waves.

John

Titus
September 23, 2004, 11:15 AM
That's right. Let's put Colt and Ruger out of business. Then they'll never have a chance to mend their ways.

Businesses don't learn by people continuing to give them their money.

As Nightfall said:
I'm not going to bend over backwards to buy a rifle from a company who tells me to go **** myself.

This is good advice, and not just for guns. I'll give Colt the benefit of the doubt for now, since I know they're not much for communication, but at some point they should just come out and say whether or not they intend to ever compete in the civilian market.

buzz_knox
September 23, 2004, 11:50 AM
Ruger sold out to the anti's figuratively, and Colt literally, and I cannot see supporting such hypocrisy.

Actually, Ruger did it literally. They had their own AWB ban during the '80s, refusing to sell high capacity magazines (beyond 15 rounds) to second class citizens. Ruger publicly called and lobbied for the AWB. And Ruger received a payment for this betrayal by having his Mini-14 specifically excluded from the ban.

Firethorn
September 23, 2004, 11:52 AM
I remember reading about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising a while back.

Some points to make:
[list=1]
The resistance didn't have many operational firearms. Captured:
a: 9 rifles
b: 59 pistols (many inoperable)
c: several hundred grenades, explosives and mines
d: Ammo was very limited (they were mostly out in less than three days)
The ghetto inhabitants were already weakened
The German's reported "22" casualties were drasticly underreported.
a: This source said 18 dead, 84 wounded for the entire operation (http://www.adl.org/uprising/Warsaw.asp)
b: 200 dead or wounded in the first day? (http://www.socialismtoday.org/75/warsaw43.html)
It took a month, rather than the expected two days to take out the place
They had to essentially burn the ghetto down
They used equipment and resources that were needed on other fronts to put down the resistance. Artillery and Soldiers that were needed on the front lines had to be used in Warsaw.
[/list=1]

50-60 thousand people and less than a hundred guns? Can you really call that an armed uprising? Now just imagine it happening in a population with at least 50% of households owning at least one gun. Add in households owning more guns than they have family members, and you'll probably dredge up around 15-20 thousand firearms, and enough ammo to supply them for a year.

Forget taking the place, you'd have to destroy it.

halvey
September 23, 2004, 01:07 PM
Has anyone confirmed this as truth? Ummm... Colt is out of business anyway. They went bankrupt years ago.;)

Titus
September 23, 2004, 01:18 PM
Ummm... Colt is out of business anyway. They went bankrupt years ago.

Well, you're half right! :)

hillbilly
September 23, 2004, 01:19 PM
No one is "putting" Colt out of business.

Colt is doing that to itself.

No one is quibbling about worldview here.

Any business that's in the business of making and selling Product A can make the decision to not sell Product A if it wants to.

That's corporate and business suicide, but their choice.

And if they wish to kill themselves off by refusing to market and sell the products they make, that's their choice.

I fail to see the logic in their choice. But hey, it is their choice.

I'll just buy Bushmaster and DPMS and RRA and Olympic Arms instead.

See ya in the museums, Colt.

hillbilly

hillbilly
September 23, 2004, 01:25 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing.........to address the Bill Ruger issues brought up in this thread.

Idiotic business deciscions, such as deciding to NOT sell the products your business makes, are usually paid for with some sort of death.

Most often, it means the death of the company. I mean if you choose to not sell what you make, then that sort of kills off your company.

In Ruger's case, Bill Ruger's natural death sort of fixed the situation.

I'm not saying that Bill Ruger got some sort of divine justice.

But I am saying that Bill Ruger just happened to die off before his company did.

hillbilly

JohnBT
September 23, 2004, 02:35 PM
I don't think Sturm, Ruger is in any danger of dying off. I can't even spell preposterous.

As far as Colt goes, most companies listen to their active customers and not the boycotters. Encouragement works better than cursing and damning.

So much hatred. Isn't anybody going to complain that Interbake has failed the public, is in bankruptcy again and that they won't be able to get their Wonderbread and Twinkies fix?

John

andrew17
September 23, 2004, 04:00 PM
I tried to order a colt handgun 3 days ago. My dealer called me back and told me both of his distributors haven't had a colt in stock in 6 months.
I've been friends with my dealer for 20 years, he's an honest person.
Either the distributor isnt being truthful or, colt isnt delivering handguns at this point. BTW, he deals with large distributors. (Jerry's..ect)

Anybody have any more info on this?

Titus
September 23, 2004, 04:12 PM
Sorry, only have five Colts. And their inability to take their customers seriously has really worked swell for them over the years. If they just mean to be an LE/Mil company, fine, have fun til you lose the M4 contract too, but do everyone a favor and quit pretending to be in the civilian market. Or go ask whoever it is that has "marketing" in their title what they're drawing a paycheck for. It's not hatred, it's tough love. They could actually be doing something with that company! But then they're too smart to write up a little note on their plan of action and pay someone's kid ten bucks to post it on their website.

If they want positive reinforcement from the civilian market, let them do something positive for the civilian market. Customers want to line up to give them money, and if they would let them, that might be positive reinforcement. Telling customers when you might let them line up to give you money would at least keep some of them hanging around instead of going off to give their money to someone else, and then that would lead to positive reinforcement. This ain't rocket science. So far Colt has, as a practical matter, said no thanks to positive reinforcement, so like any other company in the world, they get negative reinforcement. But a company should never listen to unhappy customers, that might mean they would have to do something about it...

JohnBT
September 23, 2004, 04:41 PM
What unhappy customers? There is that one gentleman who had to return his WWI repro, but otherwise it's the wannabe customers who seem to be making all the noise. :)

"lt them do something positive for the civilian market."

You don't like the guns they're selling? I think they're some of the best. A big step in the right direction.

Okay, all y'all have fun, I'll leave you alone now. I've always been unable to refrain from teasing people when they're all wound up over something.

I can't decide whether to get a NRM Government Model or Commander now that the largest local gun shop is STOCKING COLTS AGAIN. Wheeeeeee....so don't buy 'em, they'll be more for me.

John

Titus
September 23, 2004, 05:45 PM
Try reading the first sentence again. And when you talk about "wannabe customers", you might notice that people want to be customers. Many companies would like to have people lined up wanting to be customers, but this doesn't move Colt to action. Of course, plenty of gun stores find a way to stay in business by thinking the customer is there for their benefit and not listening to them until they buy something. Why would a customer think they're going to be treated any better after they've already given them their money? And Colt wonders why they're always behind! Someone has Colts in stock? That shouldn't be news!

threefeathers
September 23, 2004, 06:12 PM
Three local gun stores, each had two 1911s last week all sold now. A NRM Commander to me, my 5th.

Wildalaska
September 23, 2004, 07:23 PM
Either the distributor isnt being truthful or, colt isnt delivering handguns at this point. BTW, he deals with large distributors. (Jerry's..ect)

Gee Im a little guy and Ive shipped out about 20 Colt pistols in the last 30 days or so....

WildhorsepuckyAlaska

mcmoyer
September 23, 2004, 11:57 PM
Gee Im a little guy and Ive shipped out about 20 Colt pistols in the last 30 days or so....

And darn NICE ones too!!

:D :D

andrew17
September 24, 2004, 09:08 AM
Gee Im a little guy and Ive shipped out about 20 Colt pistols in the last 30 days or so....


Who is your distributor?

BluesBear
September 24, 2004, 09:34 AM
My .45 automatics all have a Pony on them. It's a MUST for me. Everything else is just a copy.
I also love several models of handguns that they sadly no longer produce.


But if I want an AR, and I see a couple in my future late next year*, my choice will be Rock River and/or Olympic.
Why? Two reasons; Quality and Options.


Just because I'm an elitist doesn't mean I'm stupid. :neener:



* (you wanna talk about unjust waiting periods, try 18 months)

BigG
September 24, 2004, 10:32 AM
I can go to two or three shoppes here in ATL and pick up a new Colt any time. The used market almost always includes Colts also.

Lone_Gunman
September 24, 2004, 07:18 PM
I can go to two or three shoppes here in ATL and pick up a new Colt any time.

With flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and collapsible stocks?

Do tell which shop this is...

JohnBT
September 24, 2004, 07:31 PM
"And Colt wonders why they're always behind!"

They're behind because they're selling everything they can make. If they had a biiiiiig infusion of cash maybe they could tool up to catch up with the demand. Maybe they'd never catch up with the demand.

Meanwhile, a few folks want them to disrupt their production in order to add a few features.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, there are a still folks clamoring for Remington to bring back the Nylon 66. Why? Because they want it.

Heck, I vaguely remember a time when mighty Glock couldn't keep up with the demand, but I don't remember any Death to Glock threads.

Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me...everybody sing. :)

John

Wildalaska
September 24, 2004, 07:48 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, guess Colt really aint out of business since they sent me 6 Blue Governments today...almost all of which are on the way to their new homes I may add :)

Andrew, have your dealer call me, Ill get him a Colty...hes gonna have to wait like anyone else though....

They're behind because they're selling everything they can make.

And then some.

WildsamslittlebuddyAlaska

Lone_Gunman
September 24, 2004, 09:40 PM
Wildalaska,

You seem to be in good communication with Colt, are they planning on selling AR's with flash hiders, bayo lugs, and collapsible stocks to consumers?

I think you did a group buy not long ago with Colt AR style rifles, how were those configured?

Wildalaska
September 24, 2004, 09:45 PM
Colt is not gonna sell LE or Military rifles to the general public at this time. Colt LE configured rifles can be sold by Colt LE distributors to dealers.

WildprettysimpleAlaska

Lone_Gunman
September 24, 2004, 10:21 PM
Colt LE configured rifles can be sold by Colt LE distributors to dealers.

OK, but does Colt allow dealers to sell these on to consumers without the dealer being at risk from losing the ability to continue to buy from Colt?


addendum...

Does Colt differentiate between LE dealers and just regular dealers? If so, are you saying the LE dealers can get ARs with all the goodies and sell them to whoever?

Titus
September 24, 2004, 11:01 PM
Meanwhile, a few folks want them to disrupt their production in order to add a few features.

Actually, I don't want an AR, I have a Garand. Unless by "few features", you meant a Series 70 Commander. :)

ACORN
September 24, 2004, 11:05 PM
So much hatred. Isn't anybody going to complain that Interbake has failed the public, is in bankruptcy again and that they won't be able to get their Wonderbread and Twinkies fix?


Thanks to my boycott, due to their refusal to sell LE model Twinkies to civilians. :neener:
Who said one man can't make a difference.
Power to the people!

Wildalaska
September 25, 2004, 01:55 AM
OK, but does Colt allow dealers to sell these on to consumers without the dealer being at risk from losing the ability to continue to buy from Colt?

Dealers cant buy direct from Colt..only distributors can....there are both LE distribs and commercial distribs...and both together...they sell to dealers...

WildhowmuchsimplerdoihavetomakeitifyouwantanycolttalktoyourdealerAlaska

atek3
September 25, 2004, 04:58 AM
if colt wants to sell tacti-cool AR's only to police, thats fine...the market will punish them.

atek3

BluesBear
September 25, 2004, 05:09 AM
Wildalaska, it would appear that some just can't understand the supply chain.






Either that or English. :confused:

cracked butt
September 25, 2004, 06:11 AM
If people are upset try this:

Everytime someone buys a Bushy or Armalite with the Eeeeevil features, take a picture of it, make a copy of the receipt and mail it to Colt. Maybe they will take notice.

When I finally get around to buying an AR, Colt is completely out of the running if they can't offer any features the other companies will. And to me, a prancing pony stamped on the receiver is not a feature.


:neener:

Lone_Gunman
September 25, 2004, 09:08 AM
it would appear that some just can't understand the supply chain

Well, I think it is a little more complicated than that.

It appears to me what Colt says and what Colt does are two different things.

On the one hand they appear to have a policy that they dont want guns with the "evil features" sold to civilians.

However, the dealers are legally free to sell to whoever they want, and Colt knows that, and isn't really going to try to stop that.

This makes me think Colt is doing this for liability reasons. If they have an official policy of not selling those type guns to the public, then if one is used in a crime, e.g, the Beltway Sniper, Colt can say they had a policy not to sell to consumers, and all the liablity would then be shifted down to the dealer. If I was a dealer this would not make me particularly happy.

BluesBear
September 25, 2004, 11:41 AM
Well, I think it is a little more complicated than that. Actually no it isn't.
It is very, very simple.

(Remeber we are NOT talking about Military or foreign sales. The following applies ONLY to Domestic Civilian and Law Enforcement Agency sales.)

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Colt sells their firearms to Distributors. Only to Distributors. No one else.


The Distributors sell to dealers and law enforcement agencies. The distributors decide for themselves which dealers they will sell to.


Dealers then sell to consumers. That's why dealers exist. They take care of the day to day paperwork and make sure all local laws are followed.

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See, it is simple?
So if you want a genuine Prancy Pony evil black rifle all you have to do it find a dealer who has a good relationship with the proper distributor and get on the waiting list.

Just remember that every distributor has a LOT of dealers with customers who have already placed their orders.

If you can't wait, then just grab all the real Pony parts you want and buikd your own genuine Colt AR.
Remember that there are a LOT of brand new, in the box, Colt pre-ban uppers out there. Each and every one are now totally legal to be installed on any lower.
Keisler's even has original triangle handguard uppers that are still in the original package.


It's just up to you how badly you want to get one.

JohnBT
September 26, 2004, 12:14 AM
"Unless by "few features", you meant a Series 70 Commander"

Sure. I'd really like a reproduction '53 lightweight Commander and I have a WWI repro already. I like shooting these new old guns.

John

JoeWang
September 27, 2004, 08:32 PM
I think Colt may be attempting to milk their reputation for a while by restricting production.

I just assembled an RRA rifle from parts and am just as impressed with my factory colt. I do like the matte RRA finish for not reflecting much light. Just my opinion.

I like the finish on the Colt, unfortunately I've never found their parts to fit tighlty and they are considerably more expensive without merit. Not that it affects accuracy, I just hate a rattly rifle.

Cosmoline
September 27, 2004, 08:32 PM
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer to get the full story before calling for a ban. If Colt has been asked to give preference to the military, I would support their decision 100%. Troops in the field come first.

Roon
September 27, 2004, 11:32 PM
Remington had a similar policy (and perhaps still does) about limiting certain rifles to LE, the Rem. 700 LTR was one, but I really had no problem finding a dealer to sell it to me. (Selling the weapon to a civilian wasn't illegal, just against Remington's marketing policy.)

I'm sure anyone who wants a Colt M4 can find one.

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