CSI--Miami finally gets something right...


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seeker_two
September 21, 2004, 11:09 PM
The episode on 09/20 made a great point...

Keep your gun clean & maintained...


...your life may depend on it. :cool:


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Chupacabra
September 21, 2004, 11:15 PM
One would think Speed had gotten the point the first time it happened. :banghead:

What a shame. I knew what was going to happen and was hoping he would take at least one bad guy out with him.

Keep your gun clean and in good working order.

Dr.Rob
September 22, 2004, 12:29 AM
I think this was a plot device to show that while lab techs aren't cops, the guys and gals who do the field work are. This will justify the multimillion dollar shoot outs to follow in the rest of the season.

Speed screwed up not cleaning his gun before, he was chastized, given a cleaning kit and made the same mistake twice. Possibly the only 'realistic' thing ever on CSI.

Other than Horatio's attempt at first aid (wipe the blood off his mouth rather than apply pressure to the wound?) I thought it was kind of a cool episode.

Old Dog
September 22, 2004, 12:39 AM
Having seen only a couple episodes of the show, last night's episode made me think the guy (who was killed) would have been a crappy investigator ... if he lacked the simple attention to detail skills to keep his pistol cleaned (a not very complex task for most of us), I'd submit someone that lazy wouldn't be the person I'd want processing a crime scene.

Tory
September 22, 2004, 12:45 AM
Did he EVER clean his gun? Or change the oil in his car, for that matter? :confused:

Rack up another one for the Darwin Awards.............

harpethriver
September 22, 2004, 12:55 AM
The thing that struck me-and does so every time I see this happen in the movies or on TV is how guns are fired multiple times in enclosed environments without so much as a ringing ear. I am amazed every time they fire from inside a car or in a very small room or hallway. I guess it's too much to expect accurate depiction from that which is meant to entertain. I wonder how many people fire a gun without wearing hearing protection because they see it done on TV and the movies. Somebody oughta be sued-where's John Edward's law firm when you need them?:neener:

tulsamal
September 22, 2004, 01:03 AM
And it was a GLOCK!

I don't think so!

Mal H
September 22, 2004, 01:10 AM
I thought it was a SIG. An exceptionally dirty SIG!

The fault I had with the script was twofold:
1) Why was the pistol so dirty? He obviously didn't fire it very often. Where did the pile of crud come from? It wasn't a pocket gun.
2) Why the heck didn't he drop or go for cover instead of just standing there like a lump? And I don't think "lack of training" is going to be the answer. Any human is going to duck for cover automatically in a situation like that.

misANTHrope
September 22, 2004, 03:09 AM
Every time I watch CSI:Miami, I'm too busy either watching Cali or waiting for another of her scenes to look for tech errors. :D

SAG0282
September 22, 2004, 03:44 AM
A SIG failing???

Geez, this show needs a better technical director. :)

Tharg
September 22, 2004, 05:16 AM
Man - missed it - was out of town ... bah - and i don't have it on season pass on my tivo either... oh well - guess i'll check it on the rerun run. =) hehe

ya its got errors - its hollywood... ;) Right up there w/ believeing that sort of attention is given to crimes "in general"... maybe the lacy perterson/OJ simpson/kobe cases ... not "joey buttafuko got nailed" case... rofl

J/Tharg!

Henry Bowman
September 22, 2004, 10:07 AM
My wife watches the show. ( It's pretty much one version or the other of CSI or a stupid "reality" show.) I'm often in the room and spend an hour pointing out errors and Hollywood fantasies.

I saw that episode. Definately not a Glock. Either SIG or Beretta. So what exactly was the malfunction? Did the gunk keep the firing pin from moving enough to hit the primer, or did the gunk hold the slide out of battery? It looked to me like they were suggesting the latter.

cslinger
September 22, 2004, 10:24 AM
Horatio had a SIG P229.

Speed had what I think was a Baby Eagle. It was not a Glock or SIG. It may have been a two tone Beretta but I don't think so.

Chris

davek
September 22, 2004, 10:32 AM
I had a hard time deciding what Speed had as well. The first episode that he got in trouble for not cleaning it, I thought it was a USP.

I did notice though that on the report that that cute blond lady gave to Horatio at the end, you could briefly see that it said P229.

harpethriver, I had a cop tell me that one time he was in a shooting in a VERY enclosed space (closet) and didn't remember hearing a thing. :confused:

He and some other LEOs were clearing a house. He peeked in the closet, saw a machete coming down on him, and then allasudden the guy is dead at his feet. Didn't hear a thing. He screamed out, "What happened?" and the cops that were with him said, "Dude...you shot him."

Archangel
September 22, 2004, 10:51 AM
I'm not positive, but I think Speed's gun may have been a Smith & Wesson SW99.

Or cslinger may be right, and it was a baby eagle.

4570Rick
September 22, 2004, 11:00 AM
A busted clock is right twice a day.:D

Old Dog
September 22, 2004, 11:34 AM
Baby Eagle. Jericho/IMI gun. Not anything I've ever seen used by anyone in LE before.

SASS#23149
September 22, 2004, 12:10 PM
Massad Ayoob has often referred to a thing called 'auditory exclusion',IIRC,where the hearing is not affected by gunshots.....kinda shuts down the auditory system automatically.
Too bad we can't switch it on on demand.:cool:

ZeroX
September 22, 2004, 12:28 PM
How about that little flip and roll Horatio did? I cracked up for most of the scene after that.

Mithrandir
September 22, 2004, 03:54 PM
the report that was handed to "H" said SigArms at the top right of the document....

but I didn't see a model # on it....


out...

Rupestris
September 22, 2004, 04:41 PM
Speed had what I think was a Baby Eagle

the report that was handed to "H" said SigArms at the top right of the document

Yep. I agree. The close-up of Speed's holster showed a Baby Eagle/Jerico and the report did clearly say "sigarms".

At least the dark haired female CSI didn't give a make/model/year/twist rate/finish/grip style/what color the shooters underware were when she picked up the spent .22 shell like she usually does.:p

sendec
September 22, 2004, 05:22 PM
for making the life of every for-real evidence technician a living nightmare.

"No. ma'am we cannot actually tell the make, model and year of the badguy's car by analyzing the pile of feces he left on your kitchen table, and no, there is not a photo-negative image of him, her or it burned onto the retina of your toy poodle who defended your home and hearth by being stuffed into the kitchen wastebasket, presumably not of it's on free will, but by the cranked out tweaker who, with any luck at all will gork out having taken an entire bottle of your husband's angina nitro......."

BTW, in one academy I am intimately familiar with each candidate is issued a SIG, and proceeds to fire around 1,100 rounds thru it over a week, in any weather, with no maintenance. None. They get an occasional shot of lube when sluggish, but all cleaning is done at the end of the firearms evolutions.

LASur5r
September 22, 2004, 05:29 PM
Guys,
Don't expect the writers to get it right....they are Hollyweird folks...the report did say Sigarms, but the gun used by Speed definitely did not appear to be a Sig.
Remember if it's from Hollyweird it's main goal is to provide entertainment (not realism).
Sorry.

goon
September 22, 2004, 10:33 PM
As a test, I left my P-225 go for over 800 rounds when I first got it. It was dirty, icky, and absolutely cruddy. It kept on working just fine. You would have to be a complete moron to neglect a SIG to the point of failure.

Houndawg
September 22, 2004, 11:07 PM
They never actually showed the report on Speed's gun. The top page in the report was on Horatio's gun, a SIG. I thought Speed's gun was a Ruger when I first saw it, but people on other forums seem to have confirmed it as a Baby Eagle. BTW, Speed's gun in the other episode involving a malfunction was a SIG.

Travis McGee
September 23, 2004, 03:40 AM
I would personally be amazed if a SIG failed with less than a thousand rounds of factory ammo fired through it without cleaning.

Checkman
September 23, 2004, 10:44 AM
I recorded that episode.I'm a cop, but I actually like CSI: Miami despite it's flights of fanatasy. Speed was carrying a Baby Desert Eagle. I paused the shot where CAli shows her report to Horatio. At the top it identifed Horatios wepaon as a Sig and that he fired six rounds. Though I wasn't able to read what speed was carrying I went back and paused the scene where Cali is examining his handgun. It was a Baby DE. I also remember the other episode where his gun malfunctioned because it was dirty. He was carrying the Baby DE in that one as well.

I have encountered one officer who carried the Baby DE. He didn't carry it for very long. We confiscated one from a shooting a couple of years ago. Two guys were fighting over it and they managed to shoot each other. Neither wound was fatal. A few months ago I took that gun out to the range (after an extensive cleaning) and fired it. I wasn't impressed. But in all fairness the specimen I fired had been passed around by the local gang bangers/dealers for a few years so it's maintanence hadn't been ideal.

Actually I think Cali is great. A blonde southern gal who likes firearms.

grnzbra
September 23, 2004, 11:34 AM
I didn't record it so I couldn't go back to check, but when they did the internal shot of the gun jamming, it appeared that it might have been a brass shaving that jammed the gun (also, I tend to multi-task while whatching the tube, so this observation may be way out in left field - gee, I wonder why things that are stupid and off the wall are referred to as out in left field)

Henry Bowman
September 24, 2004, 01:33 PM
So, experts, what exactly was the malfunction? The computer animation fx made it look like the firing pin moved, but did not reach the primer. Was the pin blocked or was the slide out of battery? The hunk of gunk they showed appeared to be in the rails, not the striker mechanism. I opined the latter (out of battery) to my wife when I saw it. She assumed I knew what I was talking about, but I was less conifident in actuality.

cidirkona
September 24, 2004, 04:46 PM
if he lacked the simple attention to detail skills to keep his pistol cleaned (a not very complex task for most of us)

Ever owned a 1911?! :D :p

-Colin

papercut
September 29, 2004, 03:01 AM
Checkman observed:
Actually I think Cali is great. A blonde southern gal who likes firearms.

She is about the only reason I watch that show. (BTW, they spell it "Calleigh" on the show.)

I am continually amused, though, at how the actors periodically make reference to checking a (Florida) state handgun registration list, usually as a major plot device to help the investigators find the "real killer." Obviously either the show's writers can't be bothered to check the law, or the producers are trying to subtly push a gun-registration-list law by showing how helpful it is. :fire:

Eddited too ficks ae speling misteak.

Kamicosmos
September 29, 2004, 01:43 PM
Actually I think Cali is great. A blonde southern gal who likes firearms.

Yet another fan here! Only reason I watch the show. I despise Caruso. Just can't stand his ... style. In fact, I usually channel hop quite a bit, just check back to get a shot of our favorite ballistic tech.

Speaking of her, her real name is Emily. Which is nice for me, cause I almost got a date with a tall, blue eye blonde southern girl (from Texas) named Emily. So...well. Yeah. I'll just drop it....

Checkman
October 1, 2004, 11:10 AM
Kamicosmos-

Many years ago before I met my wife (a beautiful blonde from Oregon) I dated a blue eyed blonde girl from South Carolina called Betty. I was in the Army on TDY at Ft. Knox. I was there for approximately five months. I still favor that state because of her. I wonder if she would still recognize me now that my hairline has moved south. Fortunately my waistline has made up the difference. Ahhh memories.

Pilgrim
October 1, 2004, 11:53 AM
"No. ma'am we cannot actually tell the make, model and year of the badguy's car by analyzing the pile of feces he left on your kitchen table, and no, there is not a photo-negative image of him, her or it burned onto the retina of your toy poodle who defended your home and hearth by being stuffed into the kitchen wastebasket, presumably not of it's on free will, but by the cranked out tweaker who, with any luck at all will gork out having taken an entire bottle of your husband's angina nitro......."

There was a short piece on Good Morning America on how jurors in criminal trials have come to expect a super detailed explanation - because of watching CSI - by crime scene investigators on why the defendant "did it." They are disappointed that instead of being presented absolute proof, they are expected to draw inferences from small bits of evidence and other circumstantial evidence. As a result, some prosecutors are coming to fear there is at least one CSI "expert" in the jury who will sway the rest of the jurors to vote not guilty. On the other hand, jury selection consultants working for defense attorneys look for CSI fans amongst prospective jurors.

I had one of my students from my Administration of Justice classes proudly tell me how she swayed a jury to acquit a defendant in a DUI trial. The jury became hung and the judge had to declare a mistrial. She picked apart the arresting officer's probable cause to arrest, the operation of the Intoxolizer machine, etc. She was looking for proof of absolute certainty instead of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

BluesBear
October 1, 2004, 07:27 PM
Which is why we were t aught ti nevcer ask for photographs of bullet comparison to be used in court. Instead you just rely on expert testimony.

Ask anyone who has ever used a comparison microscope and they will tell you that two bullets will NEVER match up exactly like they do on TV. Even two bullet that you fire as a test won't do it.

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