From Anti-Gun BBC: Brazilians get tough new gun law


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Gary H
September 22, 2004, 01:28 AM
Brazil has the world's fourth-highest murder rate
Tough new anti-gun legislation comes into force in Brazil on Wednesday, in a bid to curb what the UN says is the world's fourth-highest murder rate.
Under the new rules, anyone carrying a gun without a licence will face a prison sentence.

Permits will be issued only to police, security guards and others in high-risk professions - but they must be at least 25 years old.

Anyone else caught carrying a firearm will face up to four years in prison.


"Those who currently have permits can carry their weapons until midnight, then they turn into pumpkins. After that, they'll be breaking the law if they take their guns out of their houses," a Brazilian justice ministry spokeswoman said on Tuesday, before the law took effect.

The BBC's Steve Kingstone in Sao Paulo says the law is part of a concerted effort by the Brazilian government to reduce the number of people killed in gun-related incidents - nearly 40,000 of them during 2003.

In July, Brazilians were offered an incentive to turn in their guns, with the government offering to pay up to $100 (£56) for every weapon handed over to the police.

So far, nearly 120,000 guns have been collected - a figure far in excess of initial expectations.

Anti-gun campaigners say they hope the new legislation will lead to a real change in behaviour in Brazil, but correspondents say the law may prove difficult to implement in practice.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3678624.stm

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artherd
September 22, 2004, 02:14 AM
And in other news, gun and knife type violent crime skyrockets in Brazil, with thousands of law-abiding unarmed citizens murdered in the streets.

Officals have no responce.

Oleg Volk
September 22, 2004, 03:21 AM
Related discussion (http://www.livejournal.com/users/olegvolk/1167.html?nc=6)

Muzzleflash
September 22, 2004, 04:12 AM
"Those who currently have permits can carry their weapons until midnight, then they turn into pumpkins. After that, they'll be breaking the law if they take their guns out of their houses," a Brazilian justice ministry spokeswoman said on Tuesday, before the law took effect.

what

Wildalaska
September 22, 2004, 04:19 AM
Their country, their rules, their problem...who cares...

WildhasnorelevancetousAlaska

Gary H
September 22, 2004, 10:56 AM
Their country, their rules, their problem...who cares...

I understand your point and generally agree with it..BUT

Genocide in the last century was always preceded by increasingly restrictive firearms laws. I'm not suggesting that Brazil will go that route, but I also struggle with the ..that was Cambodia.. or the Sudan.. or whatever. It isn't our business when folks are snuffed out in great numbers. The UN certainly doesn't care.

anyway..

All of the criminals are turning in their guns in Brazil.

rl2669
September 22, 2004, 11:32 AM
Well, I guess I can cross Brazil off the list of places I'll ever visit ...

Mk VII
September 22, 2004, 02:28 PM
Their country, their rules, their problem...who cares...

when you eventually elect another anti-gun president and an anti-gun Congress at the same time, they are going to point out that 'our country is looking increasing out-of-step as the only one without strict gun controls'

Stand_Watie
September 22, 2004, 07:54 PM
when you eventually elect another anti-gun president and an anti-gun Congress at the same time, they are going to point out that 'our country is looking increasing out-of-step as the only one without strict gun controls'

It's worth pointing out that the "Britain has no/low crime because of severe gun control" (a fallacy wrapped within a myth I know, but not the point of my post) argument has been used against us by American gun-grabbers for nearly forty years now.

No doubt the BBC will declare the law a "success" if the same amount of homicides and crime occur under new Brazil laws using different weapons.

Standing Wolf
September 22, 2004, 09:39 PM
Their country, their rules, their problem...who cares...

First they came for the communists, but I didn't bother to object, because I wasn't a communist; then they came for the Jews, but I didn't bother...

Wildalaska
September 22, 2004, 10:09 PM
Sorry Wolf but I fail to see what relevance the gun control issue in a third world country has to the issues facing us....


WildqueryAlaska

Rebeldon
September 22, 2004, 11:15 PM
I wouldn't call Brazil a third-world country, just because most of the country has turned to slum.

Atticus
September 23, 2004, 12:47 AM
"Anti-gun campaigners say they hope the new legislation will lead to a real change in behaviour in Brazil..."

Absolutely....and taking away cars from the law abiding to reduce reckless or drunkin drivng would also change behaviour. :scrutiny:

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