1911 Carry Guns w/Adjustable Sights?


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TK73
September 22, 2004, 02:29 AM
Hi, Ladies and Gentlemen:

I have noted that back in the earlier days of IPSC and "combat shooting" quite a few shooters who stuck to the motto "shoot what you carry and carry what you shoot" seemed to pack 1911 custom pistols with adjustable match sights on the order of BO-MAR BMCS, S&W "K" frame rear sights, Wichita or whatever.

Anybody still out there routinely carrying a 1911 pistol with adjustable match sights for self-defense?

If you do, why?

Thank you very much for your response.

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Ala Dan
September 22, 2004, 02:39 AM
Greeting's TK 73-

While not the correct answer to your question, if I were to carry
a 1911 style .45 Auto it most definitely would be my WW-II G.I.
Springfield. This gun has proven utterly reliable, even with the
tiny military sights; that you don't have to worry about bumping
and knocking off the firearm.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Dave Sample
September 22, 2004, 02:57 AM
90% of the guns I built for the "Gamers" had Bo-mars. For the SWAT type guys I liked to use the MGW fixed rear with a stake on front that they sell as a set. I had the same sight picture of a set of "Bombers" but they were tough and did not tend to leave you at a bad time. The fronts come as an .055 or .125 tenon and I knew how to install them. On my carry gun, a LW Colt Commander, I have an MGW front sight cut down to about .180 and a standard rear Colt sight that come on the newer Colt ' 80 Series low end shooters. All three have the exact same sight picture but the latter is tougher and I can cock the gun on my belt if need be or on a table edge. Carry Toy Guns was some of the BS that went around back them but no serious CCW type carried the guns they shot at various matches. The more parts on a gun you are using for carry, the more Mr. Murphy loves you. This is where the KISS program comes into full play!

TK73
September 22, 2004, 05:58 AM
...if I were to carry a 1911 style .45 Auto it most definitely would be my WW-II G.I. Springfield. This gun has proven utterly reliable, even with the tiny military sights; that you don't have to worry about bumping and knocking off the firearm.

Dear Ala Dan:

I absolutely agree with you. For typical self-defense scenarios that take place at close ranges adjustable target sights can be considered out of place and they can even pose a serious hindrance for quick presentation of the gun. I have never carried a 1911 w/adjustable match sights but I suspect they could become quite uncomfortable for extended periods of time (sticking in your hide).

Still, I mostly shoot and train at 25 meters and I am simply feeling much more comfortable with an "accurate" (most are good enough) sidearm that's perfectly regulated for longer distances as well. Unfortunately, I rarely encounter a pistol/revolver with fixed sights that shoots to point of aim with the typical service ammo I intend to use in it.

Sole exception so far has been my Mauser P.08 that was perfectly regulated (for me) the way I got it - but this is a recreational shooter, not a serious self-defense gun (although, I wouldn't hesitate to put it into service if nothing else would be available; there are far worser guns out there! ;) )

Many thanks to Ala Dan and to Dave as well for your comments.

Stay safe!

cratz2
September 23, 2004, 12:20 AM
The 1911 I've carried the most as a carry gun was a 1991A1 which had standard 'larger than GI' sights but not adjustables.

I did carry a Springfield Target Loaded Stainless with adjustable Bomar type sights for a few months. I didn't have any real issues carrying the gun - ie, sights didn't snag on clothing or anything, but I did have to file down the far left side edge of the rear sight... It was just way too sharp against my side when carried IWB under my shirt. Also very slightly knocked the edges off other parts of the gun.

I also carried my Gold Cup with an Eliason (sp?) sight for about a week.

While I would never opt for adjustables on a carry gun, but I wouldn't not carry a gun with adjustables as long as it was reliable and I could carry it safely.

Country Boy
September 23, 2004, 08:41 PM
They're not "match" sights, but the MMC sights on my 1911 are built like a tank, and give me the option of hitting the target at longer distances.

Guns_and_Labs
September 23, 2004, 08:53 PM
I regularly carry a Kimber Gold Match that came with adjustable sights or, more recently, a Kimber CDP II Compact that I retrofit with adjustable sights. My reason is that, after many years of bullseye, I've come to rely on the precision available. Furthermore, with a fiber optic or tritium insert, I find them just as fast for target acquisition and sight alignment.

Mad Man
September 25, 2004, 12:07 AM
They're not "match" sights, but the MMC sights on my 1911 are built like a tank, and give me the option of hitting the target at longer distances.

I've got these on one of my 1911s, and I concur.

http://www.mmcsight.com/

http://www.mmcsight.com/images/prod/gun_911.gif (http://www.mmcsight.com/colt1911.htm)


Caveat: They're "fully" adjustable, but...

...unless they've changed the design since 1998, the windage is adjusted by moving the entire sight assembly left or right in it's dovetail cut. Elevation is easier to adjust, since it's done with a tiny allen wrench (included).

Mad Man
September 29, 2004, 01:09 PM
http://www.precisionsights.com/novakadj.html

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http://www.precisionsights.com/rearadj1.JPG http://www.precisionsights.com/sideadj1.JPG

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For some strange reason, I can't find anything about these on Novak's web site (http://novaksights.com/).

Does anybody have more information about these?

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