The 500 S&W "Vest Buster" is evil?


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Shootcraps
September 23, 2004, 07:20 AM
http://www.vpc.org/press/0406vest.htm

New VPC Study, Vest Buster: The .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum—The Gun Industry's Latest Challenge to Law Enforcement Body Armor, Documents That the "Most Powerful Handgun In the World" Has Armor-Penetrating Power That Can Pierce the Highest Level of Bullet-Resistant Patrol Vests

Washington, DC—The Violence Policy Center (VPC) today released a new study, Vest Buster: The .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum—The Gun Industry's Latest Challenge to Law Enforcement Body Armor, warning that standard ammunition fired by the recently introduced .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum revolver, promoted as "the most powerful handgun in the world," can penetrate the highest level of body armor worn by the nation's police while on patrol.

Police body armor is designed to protect against handgun threats. The new Smith & Wesson .500 Magnum revolver, however, develops a striking force exceeding the power of many rifles. Only special external body armor, designed for use by SWAT teams and other high-risk units, can withstand rifle fire. The .500 Magnum thus brings a new level of handgun threat to the nation's streets.

"This vest-busting 50-caliber handgun draws a bead on every law enforcement officer in America," said Tom Diaz, VPC senior policy analyst and study author. "It is unfortunately only the latest example of dangerously reckless marketing by America's virtually unregulated gun industry." Diaz further noted that the .500 Magnum handgun, first introduced in February 2003, is already appearing at gun shows, notorious as sources of criminal gun trafficking. In addition, he pointed out, at least one shoulder holster is being sold for the Magnum revolver, thus making it easy for criminals to carry the gun concealed.

For the report, the VPC analyzed information published by Smith & Wesson, ballistics test data from the National Rifle Association's American Rifleman magazine, and federal body armor standards established by the U.S. Department of Justice. Vest Buster demonstrates that the power of the new .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum round substantially exceeds the protection of the highest level of concealable body armor normally worn by law enforcement officers in the field, known as Type IIIA.

The .500 Magnum follows a Smith & Wesson tradition of designing extremely powerful handguns. Vest Buster points out that 27 out of 144 (nearly one out of every five) law enforcement officers slain with a handgun from 1998 through 2000 were killed with one of three types of handgun and cartridge combinations originally designed and introduced by Smith & Wesson: the .357 Magnum, the .44 Magnum, and the .40 S&W.

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Firethorn
September 23, 2004, 07:28 AM
I've heard this before.

And 1 in 5, I bet that if you do a survey of random handguns, you'll get about 20% coming up in one of those three calibers.
.40, .357, .44? They're all fairly populer. Heck, .357 is great because you can also shoot .38's in them

You might as well talk about the "military" 9mm caliber being used by who else, the military!

And the "shoulder" holster I've seen for it looks more like a chest holster, which helps keep the huge handgun out of brush. You also need the extra support for the weight.

The standard concealment shoulder holster wouldn't work too well as the gun is too long, and too wide, your arm would stick out.

Heck, my ruger 10/22 would be easier to conceal, and it's a rifle.

RavenVT100
September 23, 2004, 08:45 AM
Let's get one thing straight. The VPC would not exist if the general public was not as ignorant as it is in the area of firearms. Their agitprop is tailored towards creating public confusion and attempts to generate fear and anger towards firearms manufacturers. It was clear from the beginning that the S&W 500 was designed with hunting in mind; the VPC knows this. But they don't care.

Body armor was never intended to be a magical device that can stop any method of attack. Many vests will not even reliably stop a jacketed 9mm pistol bullet at sufficiently close range, let alone a .44 or many of the higher loads.

Keep in mind that the VPC is the same organization that cooked up the idea that semiautomatic and automatic weapons should be described to the public as being identical, that rifle and pistol teams in high schools should be viewed as organizations geared towards selling firearms to children, and that the mere presence of a weapon in a home is likely to result in the death of its owner. These people have absolutely no shame.

And it's not a question of what type of gun is "evil" to these people. All guns are evil in their eyes. And so are gun owners.

Harry Tuttle
September 23, 2004, 09:43 AM
Gee, what would a saboted 50 cal round out of a flintlock horse pistol do to a vest?

Harry Tuttle
September 23, 2004, 09:45 AM
Gee, what would a saboted 50 cal round out of a flintlock horse pistol do to a vest?

longrifleman
September 23, 2004, 09:58 AM
Gee, what would a saboted 50 cal round out of a flintlock horse pistol do to a vest?

I feel an interesting experiment coming on. Please take lots of pictures.

ponyexpress
September 23, 2004, 10:44 AM
I wonder what the VPC would do if they ever figured out that you can get a t/c Encore pistol chambered in any one of a half dozen rifle calibers?

DonP
September 23, 2004, 11:09 AM
I was over at the range and they got 5 S&W 500's in.

One of the guys insisted I handle it. (I think the tie I had on gave him the mistaken impression that I was a man of means.)

That damned thing weighs like 4 to 5 pounds and is tapped for sling swivels! There is something inherently wrong with any handgun that needs a sling!

They are asking something around $990 for them and they are huge. This is not the average gang bangers shooter that you can tuck in the waist of your baggy pants hanging down on your hips, unless of course you want them to fall down.

The VPC only exists as long as there is ignorance out there and demons to point at. When there are no demons you have to manufacture them.

Daniel T
September 23, 2004, 11:44 AM
...America's virtually unregulated gun industry...

Er. Yeah. Liar.

stevelyn
September 23, 2004, 12:26 PM
Wonder what the Violence Propaganda Center has to say about T/C Contenders and Encores chambered for rifle calibers?

stevelyn
September 23, 2004, 12:29 PM
Wonder what the Violence Propaganda Center has to say about T/C Contenders and Encores chambered for rifle calibers?:banghead:

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
September 23, 2004, 01:08 PM
"It is unfortunately only the latest example of dangerously reckless marketing by America's virtually unregulated gun industry."

Unregulated? What about the ATF, the thousands Federal and State Laws, and the whole body of Tort law? What are these people smoking.

Diaz further noted that the .500 Magnum handgun, first introduced in February 2003, is already appearing at gun shows, notorious as sources of criminal gun trafficking.

Less than 5% of all guns used in crimes were obtained by the criminal at a gun show.

In addition, he pointed out, at least one shoulder holster is being sold for the Magnum revolver, thus making it easy for criminals to carry the gun concealed.

Right. It wouldn't have anything to do with hunting now would it. That scope on top of the S&W 500 is...er...so terrorists can better shoot down 747's with the assault revolver.

How many police officers even regularly wear a bullet-proof vest?

boofus
September 23, 2004, 01:14 PM
:fire:

boofus
September 23, 2004, 01:14 PM
:cuss:

boofus
September 23, 2004, 01:16 PM
:fire:

boofus
September 23, 2004, 01:17 PM
:barf:

boofus
September 23, 2004, 01:17 PM
:banghead:

boofus
September 23, 2004, 01:17 PM
septuple post

boofus
September 23, 2004, 01:17 PM
The run of the mill kitchen knife is a vestbuster too. Better ban them. Roofing nails too, punch through a full blown military Level III or IV vest if you stuck it in the right place.

Don't Tread On Me
September 23, 2004, 01:47 PM
I hope the gun industry keeps coming out with larger, higher capacity, more powerful and leathal weapons more often.


This way, the anti's can fight off the extreme weapons and waste years doing so, while keeping their paws off regular "evil" weapons.



Better to fight over a 500 S&W than a .22LR, because by the time you get down to that, you've lost a lot. Don't confuse what I am saying, I am a no-compromise person when it comes to guns. I don't think ANYTHING should be banned, including sawed off shotguns or machine guns.

Carlos Cabeza
September 23, 2004, 04:03 PM
I hardly think that anyone could fire the .500 more than a couple of times without having some serious pain. There may be some exceptions to that statement but I think they'd be lying. Is the thing a SA or a DA ? It's been said before, a good hit with a .22 is better than a grazer with a .44. Anyone here able to empty a .500 S&W without missing the pie tin at 21 ft. ??? Did it hurt ?????:evil:

Carlos Cabeza
September 23, 2004, 04:09 PM
I hardly think that anyone could fire the .500 more than a couple of times without having some serious pain. There may be some exceptions to that statement but I think they'd be lying. Is the thing a SA or a DA ? It's been said before, a good hit with a .22 is better than a grazer with a .44. Anyone here able to empty a .500 S&W without missing the pie tin at 21 ft. ??? Did it hurt ?????:evil:

Deavis
September 23, 2004, 04:23 PM
That gun is enormous, I'd like to see someone trying to conceal that thing in a shoulder holster. Maybe they have a cut down version I haven't seen while shopping for my criminal wares at the gun show, but all I've seen are 1' barrels on them. I'm not nearly thick enough to ride a gun like that without wearing some serious clothes. The VPC is just trying to get press that they can push at lawmakers, aka troublemakers!

Besides, everyone knows criminals tuck them in their pants. Maybe it gives them the extra edge at the gentleman's club :what:

Don't Tread On Me
September 23, 2004, 04:44 PM
VPC is convinced that they single-handedly got the .50bmg ban in California. Their heads are inflated and they think they have found a new approach to gun control - by going after rare, powerful, misunderstood weapons as being "extreme" and "dangerous".


Thing is, they may get good support for that in liberal states. That is still bad, as gun bans are bad anywhere in America. What makes things better for them is, gun-ban states have fewer gun owners, weaker pro-rights activist groups, less of a gun culture, and more ignorance.


Couple that with the natural human tendency to only care about what you have, and not what others have...and these rare weapons will have a hard time. Just look at the AWB, so many idiot gun owners who could care less about semi-auto military clones because they own nothing but shotguns or bolt guns for hunting....


We need to be unified. Everyone needs to fight for EVERY gun, because sooner or later, they are coming for yours. Everyone needs to fight for every state, because what happens in one place, sets the stage for what may happen in your place.


It is time to wake up.

ALS
September 23, 2004, 04:49 PM
Big deal, I have a Bush Master Pistol in .223 (Colt Arm Gun) and the hardest part of hiding it is when you have a 90 round magazine in it. The Magazine is bigger than the gun. Even with a 30 rounder in it, it still is tough to hide under a jacket.
I proved it to one of my friends one night when we went out drinking.
I thought he was going to pee his pants when he asked at the bar what I carrying. I said the Bushmaster, and his jaw dropped. He said No F-ing way.
I said pat me on the back. It only had a 20 rounder in it, and I had an extra 20 round mag in my front pocket.
BTW Drinking to me is two beers all night if I want to have a good time, usually one is my limit. Heck it's so much more fun to watch the drunks and loose women when your sober. :D:

I've carried my LAR Grizzly .45 WinMag in a cheap clip universal holster in the middle of the back of my pants. You can not tell I'm packing that cannon. At 6'4" you can hide a lot of gun if your creative.

Bruce H
September 23, 2004, 04:54 PM
The first ammendment is supposed to allow people to speak their minds. I don't remember reading where lying was also included in the ammendment. After liars are shown the errors of their thoughts and shown the facts they should know what is right. If they continue to recite lies the first ammendment shouldn't cover them. Losing their teeth should be standard.

ReadyontheRight
September 23, 2004, 05:52 PM
I wonder what the VPC would do if they ever figured out that you can get a t/c Encore pistol chambered in any one of a half dozen rifle calibers?

They need to walk before they can run.

Waitone
September 23, 2004, 06:31 PM
Is there any obligation on the part of publically tolerated foundations to propagate truth as opposed to bald-faced lies.

VPC exists as a tax-exempt organization. Is there not some obligation on the part of taxpayer's forbearance to utter truth on a periodic basis?

Joe Goebbels would be proud of Mr. Diaz's skill in agit-prop. Just breathtaking to someone who has an old fashioned attachment to fact and truth.

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