Guy suing to carry on Univ. grounds - hit this poll


September 23, 2004, 11:41 PM
Here's the story:

Local Man Sues to Carry Gun on Campus (

And here's the poll, which needs some help:

brad cook

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September 24, 2004, 12:17 AM
blow this poll apart, 172 votes, i voted no/RKBA. (that is, FOR the RKBA, not no as in against it)

September 24, 2004, 01:17 AM
As of right now....

Do you think JMU has the right to ban concealed weapons on campus?
Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 63.4%
No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 34.6%
I do not know. 2.1%

Total votes: 191
You have already voted!

September 24, 2004, 02:17 AM
Not sure I like the illustration that goes with it, but the editorial itself surprised me.

JMU policy no match for Constitution
House Editorial

Most students consider JMU to be a safe place to live and learn — crime is low and quality of life is high. For many people, the possibility of carrying a gun on campus is not even a passing thought. While the Bill of Rights guarantees the right to bear arms, JMU policy for some time has forbidden any non-law enforcement personnel from possessing firearms, licensed or otherwise, on campus. However, in Virginia, the General Assembly is the only body that can determine where firearms cannot be carried and, currently, only some places are forbidden to gun wielders.

Now, a lawsuit filed Wednesday by State Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus Dave Briggman, a gun owner and concealed weapon license holder, correctly alleges that because JMU is a public university, it has no grounds on which to suspend an individual’s rights and therefore legally should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon on campus. Another college’s policy recently was defeated in court by Briggman and, while JMU’s intentions are pure, this policy is not one that can — or should — hold up in court.

While this suit could be perceived as a threat to the JMU community, in reality it is court actions like this one that maintain the integrity of our civil rights. This should not, however, be construed as a free pass to Biggman or other gun owners. Just as it is illegal to shout "Fire!" in a burning building despite First Amendment rights, owning and carrying a gun comes with certain necessary responsibilities.

A gun carrier must never draw his or her weapon unless absolutely necessary and must never create a situation where those around him or her feel unsafe or threatened in any way. A gun is one of the most potent and omnipresent symbols of absolute power over life and death — this power must be respected and treated with the seriousness it deserves.

If JMU believes, as its policy seems to indicate, that this power is too great to invite onto campus and instead that it invites only tragedy, the proper path to follow is toward Richmond. If college communities statewide petitioned against firearms on campus, it undoubtedly would influence the state legislature. A public institution, however, cannot legally take the initiative and simply ban licensed firearm owners from carrying their guns on its property.

Undoubtedly, Biggman will be viewed in a negative connotation by many in the interest of public safety, but his assertion of his rights is commendable. If we are to maintain our free society, a violation of our rights on any scale must be challenged and overturned.

September 24, 2004, 04:02 AM
Do you think JMU has the right to ban concealed weapons on campus?

Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 58.7%

No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 39.4%

I do not know. 1.9%

Total votes: 208

September 24, 2004, 04:54 AM
A gun is one of the most potent and omnipresent symbols of absolute power over life and death...
Sometimes a gun is just a gun.

September 24, 2004, 05:38 AM
I hadn't seen this....JMU is my Alama Mater.....

A little background on this that I know of because I used to teach in that area:

A while back, there was a lawsuit against the Rockingham County Public Schools, which is the jurisdiction that surrounds Harrisonburg....where JMU is.

The nature of the action was that the RCPS prohibits students from being able to carry their hunting rifles in the trunks of their cars while on school property. I'm not sure if Mr. Briggman was involved in that situation.....but Keezletown, his home, is in the attendance area where I used to teach and the newspapers were focusing on that particular school.

Here is the article from August 2003 regarding the issue in the local schools:

>>>Warner Hedges on Virginia Schools' Anti-Gun Policies
Updated: Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 - 4:28 AM EDT.

Associated Press Writer

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Gov. Mark R. Warner hedged slightly Thursday on whether a state law allowing students to leave unloaded hunting guns locked inside their vehicles on school property will trump local school boards' zero-tolerance firearms rules.

Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore, at the request of a state senator, is reviewing whether local schools may banish weapons from campus, even though state law allows unloaded guns on school property if they are locked in a car trunk or closed container.

The Rockingham County School Board approved a total ban of firearms on school grounds. Warner this year signed into law an amendment adopted by the General Assembly that exempts students who hunt and lock their guns safely away from school gun bans.

A caller to Warner's monthly radio question-and-answer show on WRVA-AM in Richmond said some school boards have policies that would expel or suspend students who bring guns onto school grounds as state law allows, the caller said.

If Kilgore issues a formal opinion against the school boards' positions, he asked Warner, "is the state willing to take action to enforce the state's own laws against the school boards?"

"I was intrigued to see the school board, with its zero-tolerance policy, how that does conflict with the law," Warner replied. "In my mind, it's pretty clear. The law's pretty clear that students do have that right."

But he qualified his answer, saying his only knowledge of the issue was what he had read in newspaper accounts.

"My only caveat I'd put on this ... is I'd like to get a little more facts than just a newspaper article before I fully weigh in on it," Warner said.

Warner also defended the decisions by state-supported colleges and universities to admit high numbers of out-of-state students, even though it makes it tougher for in-state students to gain admission.

"That's one of the reasons why we have nationally ranked universities. It's one of the reasons why U.Va. and (The College of) William & Mary are No. 1 and, I believe, No. 3, in terms of national rankings of universities, and there is some value, I believe, to bringing a more diverse student population," Warner said.

As Virginia, William & Mary and Virginia Tech gain in national academic prestige, Warner said, they have brought other schools, such as James Madison University, up with them.

Warner said the overall percentage of out-of-state students has not risen dramatically, but their presence helps Virginia's public colleges and universities meet their budgets because the much higher tuitions non-Virginia students pay offsets costs for in-state students.

"It is a financially driven equation. Out-of-state students pay about 130 percent of the costs," the governor said.

"For every in-state student, the difference between the tuition and the in-state costs is about $6,000 that the university has to cover. Part of the way they cover that is by state support, but part of the way the cover that is by charging out-of-state students," he said.

Warner next week begins a series of weekly announcements detailing his major 2004 legislative initiative to reform education from grade schools through college.

(Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)<<<

September 24, 2004, 08:24 AM
It will be fascinating to watch as the VA preemption law plays out; I'd like to see it resoved by exempting ONLY private property, as in homes, businesses, and private schools. Watching anti-RKBA types squirm is my favorite sport! :D

TFL Survivor

Greg L
September 24, 2004, 08:27 AM
Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 51.2%
No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 47.1%
I do not know. 1.7%

Total votes: 242

September 24, 2004, 08:31 AM
the trespassing in women's dorms! right next to the article on the lawsuit to carry. DUH?!

September 24, 2004, 08:46 AM
That was my favorite quote from Collateral!

September 24, 2004, 08:56 AM
51% us.

Col. Mustard
September 24, 2004, 09:07 AM
No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 50.6%
Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 47.9%
I do not know. 1.5%

Who bothers to vote in these polls to say that they don't know? :rolleyes:

September 24, 2004, 12:10 PM
60% us.

38% them.



September 24, 2004, 02:41 PM
Wow, I wish our school wasnt so liberal that we could even dream of CCW on campus. A few days ago someone got shot pretty much across the street from campus and a student stabbed to death for his stuff last year.

September 24, 2004, 02:49 PM
I guess criminals would also fall under the exemption because they're not known to follow any laws.:rolleyes:

September 24, 2004, 03:05 PM
I don't know about JMU but there are times I would love to be able to carry here at the University of Washington.


September 24, 2004, 03:09 PM
67% yes, 31% no....


More proof that quantity of liberalism has substituted for quality of thought in what passes for institutes of higher learning.

A friend of mine has a CCW in MN but can't even carry in ND (too much red tape and expense). The campus there would be much safer if liberal idiots let the law abiding people have the right to defend themselves.

Unfortunately, the need for protection in our nation's universities is ever increasing. My freind T had to beat a man senseless with her bare hands when she came upon her (the friend), being sexually assaulted in a bathroom where she was passed out. (The friend passed out. As sexy as T is she can't beat men senseless in her sleep quite yet).

Here in B Town, three alleged morons allegedly took their social status as jocks to allegedly drug and allegedly gang rape a coed while their alleged friend allegedly took alleged photos of it. Wouldn't the victim's family be a lot happier if a single man with honor at the part had been able to produce some... non-physical intimdation to back them off?

More specifically, the kind of gutless bloody wonders who need to drug women and THEN outnumber them four to one in order to get some would probably run screaming if there was even a chance they would be stopped.

I remember being proud of my older siblings for being in college. Now I'm ashamed to be a college student, since it puts me in the same league with the morons who support CCW bans on campus.

September 24, 2004, 03:34 PM
n/m, wrong link

September 24, 2004, 04:54 PM
JMU is my Alama Mater.....

Rockingham Memorial Hospital is my Alma Mater. ;)

September 24, 2004, 06:08 PM
73.6 no ( us )

25.8 yes ( them )

0.7 I don't know.

Standing Wolf
September 24, 2004, 06:16 PM
Seems to me college students' lives are as worthy of being defended as others.

September 24, 2004, 06:18 PM
Do you think JMU has the right to ban concealed weapons on campus?
No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 73.6%
Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 25.7%
I do not know. 0.7%

Total votes: 595
You have already voted!

September 24, 2004, 06:23 PM
No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 73.7%
Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 25.6%
I do not know. 0.7%

Total votes: 598

September 24, 2004, 08:51 PM

No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 74.8%
Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 24.6%
I do not know. 0.6%

Total votes: 638

September 24, 2004, 09:27 PM
75% for RKBA!

September 25, 2004, 08:41 AM
I voted and it says I'm the only one who voted. It says, "No, it's a constitutional right - 100% with only 1 vote. I guess they didn't like it and wanted to reset it or something.

September 25, 2004, 12:06 PM
I voted and it says I'm the only one who voted. It says, "No, it's a constitutional right - 100% with only 1 vote. I guess they didn't like it and wanted to reset it or something.

Hehehe...I wondered if they'd take some kind of action like that. I'm sure there's probably one anal person over there who's steamed about it.

brad cook

September 25, 2004, 01:23 PM
What a SCAM!!

Do you think JMU has the right to ban concealed weapons on campus?
No, it's a Constitutional right to bear arms. 95.7%
Yes, it's for everyone's safety. 4.3%
I do not know. 0.0%

Total votes: 23

But we are still winning. It will not let me vote now. If I were the e-mailing type I would send them an e-mail asking what the deal is.

September 25, 2004, 02:58 PM
Wait, I just voted and there were only 36 total votes now.


This thing is fixed if I have ever seen it. B@stards!


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