CZ75 Accuracy Problem


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Snark
September 24, 2004, 06:12 PM
A few months ago I bought a CZ75 (finally turned 21! yey) and I love it. It looks and feels beautiful. I have put about 600 rounds through it without a flaw, but it seems as though I can't hit the broad side of a barn (broad side of a barn equaling a 8.5x11 sheet of paper) consistently at 25 yards.

Granted, this is the first handgun I have owned, so it very well could be the fact that I am simply terrible with it. But it does seem to be shooting low and to the left though. Any suggestions on what to do or try?

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R.H. Lee
September 24, 2004, 06:18 PM
Low left. Maybe too much finger on the trigger. Try adjusting your grip clockwise-using the pad of your index finger on the trigger. The backstrap of the pistol should rest in the web of your hand-the part between your thumb and index finger.

Somwhere there is a picture of a target segmented high/right low/left etc., that explains the grip corrections necessary to hit the bull. Maybe somebody knows where that is or can find it.

bountyhunter
September 24, 2004, 06:22 PM
1) Shoot it off a bag rest using a VERY slow trigger pull and see where it groups.

2) Have another experienced shooter do the same and compare.

I have cz-85 and it is very accurate, but it took me a while to get used to the trigger. The CZ trigger has a long take up and a long travel distance once the sear is engaged.

FWIW, if the low -lwft pattern is a shooter error it is most commonly caused by yanking the trigger and/or clenching the grip hand as a "sympath squeeze" when you pull the trigger. Both are very common because it's a natural reflex, I've done it a thousand times.

clipse
September 24, 2004, 06:31 PM
your shooting at 25 yards and your starting out? I don't like shooting at 25 yards much any more because I'm not all that good at it. I can consistantly hit a 8.5x11 piece of paper at 50 yards though. That is of course off of sandbags though. I agree with the statement to adjust your grip. Also try shooting at 7 yards and then move back to 25 when you get used to it.


clipse

blackpanther
September 24, 2004, 07:46 PM
Forget shooting at paper.All you see is your mistakes magnified.Try some cans are plastic bottles on the ground.All you see is the dirt flying and turns shooting into more of a game.The harder a new shooter tries the worse they become.You will be suprised how fast you start rolling cans.Its all a mental thing.The brain,hand and eye will adjust very fast when it is all just a fun thing and watching the dirt fly on a close miss will not bother you.It works.

Ed

Golddog
September 24, 2004, 07:57 PM
Get closer, then move back when you've got the point of aim figured out. Try different types of ammo, since many guns are quite choosy about what they shoot best.

I loved everything about my CZ 75B, but it wasn't predictably accurate offhand at 25 yards, compared to my revolvers fired in single action mode. (That didn't bother me much, since one would be spending a long time in prison for shooting anybody at 25 yards, absent very unusual justifications.) Unless you get an accurized 1911, few centerfire semis will outshoot a decent S&W revolver at any distance, in my experience.

Walt Sherrill
September 24, 2004, 08:08 PM
Golddog offers good advice. Start close and work back.

45R
September 24, 2004, 09:08 PM
http://www.sportshooter.com/improving/images/correction_chart.gif

R.H. Lee
September 24, 2004, 09:11 PM
Thanks 45R, that's it. I see I got my explanation backwards. OOPS. :o

donkee
September 25, 2004, 12:32 PM
My nephew had problems with his Arcus. He couldn't hit jack with it and wanted to sell it since it was such a POS. Well, I convinced him to go to the range with me one day, I tried it at the normal 7yds distance and out of the first 6 shots I took, they were all touching each other in the upper left of the bull. His grip and stance were to blame. Since this is your first handgun, try picking up a book or two on pistol technique. Boarders is where I have found them and on Amazon (best bet). I'm using a Makarov right now since I sold my DW .357 to my Bro in Law about 10 years ago. Finally got back into handguns and now that I'm applying for my CPL here in MI, I decided it's time for a CZ75 myself. So work on your grip, stance, and trigger pull and you'll do just fine. My nephew now loves going out to shoot, it was really tough to get him out before I worked with him.

Snark
September 25, 2004, 08:03 PM
Thanks so much for all the help guys. I'll start praticing at closer ranges and work on my grip too. Thanks alot again - you guys are great.

cratz2
September 26, 2004, 04:48 PM
Yeah, 25 yards is quite challenging off hand when you first start shooting centerfires.

As others, I suggest you try 7 yards from a rest for the first few rounds. That should give you some confidence. Then off handed at 7 yards. When you can keep all shots off hand at 7 yards under 4 inches, then try moving out to 15 yards.

CZs are usually quite accurate but this may require finding the best load for your particular gun. Many sights are poorly regulated and while the gun may be precise, might not be so accurate until the sights are properly regulated. I'm not speaking of CZs particularly, just guns in general.

Mad Man
September 26, 2004, 05:24 PM
Read "Defensive Firearms Advice for Those With No Experience" by John Ross (http://thehighroad.org/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=5604) at http://john-ross.net/newbies.htm

The first 1/3 is about "Conflict Avoidance," and not really related to learning how to shoot. But it's worth reading anyway. If you don't think so, scroll down to "It's a Hell of a Lot of Work if You Don't Like It." If you really want to get to the meat of the article, scroll down to "Specific Recommendations for Those Still Reading," about 2/3 of the way down.

Anyway, there are two really great pieces of advice in that column that have helped me*:

(1) as others have stated here, start shooting at a shorter distance. Mr. Ross recommends 8 feet, others here recommend 7 yards. Like you, I started shooting at 25 yards. The only thing I got out of it was a lot of frustration and a waste of many years. Forget the crap you see on TV and movies. If you pay attention to the other shooters at the range, you'll see most of them aren't hitting anything at 25 yards.

One unexpected advantage of shooting at 5 - 7 yards is that I was able to see the bullet holes in the paper, which provided immediate feedback if I was doing something wrong. At 25 yards, I had to move the target back and forth (or walk back and forth to the target, depending on the range).

Once you can shoot well at 8 ft/7 yds (or whatever) work in increasing speed along with distance.

I don't necessarly agree with his advice about reactive targets. Yes, they can be fun, but it's also easy to fool yourself (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86551) because (a) hitting the ground near the target may cause it to react, and (b) people tend to remember their hits, but not their misses. But I'm nitpicking here -- the important thing is to get out and shoot.


(2) get a lot of magazines for your gun. In the case of a CZ, it's not cheap (http://www.cz-usa.com/product.accessories.php). If you're like most of us, 10 CZ mags is a big chunk of change. So try to buy one a month; or maybe you can find some cheap 10 rounders out there now that the assault weapons ban has expired.

In any case, I've found that I make better use of my range time with 10 mags or so that I've loaded the night before (which you can do while watching TV), rather than shoot, reload magazine, shoot, reload magazine, etc.


CZ also makes a .22 conversion kit called the Kadet (http://cz-usa.com/product.detail.php?id=35) which can be fit onto your CZ-75 frame. Of course, this is an additional expense (and the mags aren't inexpensive, either). But .22 ammo is dirt cheap -- you can buy 500 rounds for less than $10.

http://cz-usa.com/product.img/35.jpg (http://cz-usa.com/product.detail.php?id=35)


The Glock FAQ has an excellent guide to marksmanship fundementals (http://glockfaq.com/shooting.htm), and the thread on trigger control (http://glockfaq.com/trigger.htm) is a must-read!!!


I always shoot low and left. What's wrong with my Glock?

There is nothing wrong with your Glock. Even if you shoot all your other guns dead on. The most likely culprit is poor trigger control caused by anticipation. If you've worked on your trigger control and still think the problem is the gun, let an experienced Glock owner shoot your gun and see if they have the same problem.

For some excellent advice on curing trigger problems check out the new Triger (sic) Technique 101 (http://glockfaq.com/trigger.htm) section.


Fortunatley, trigger control is something you can work on at home. Dry-fire, dry-fire, and more dry-fire. Just make sure the gun is unloaded, check twice, and then check again!!!!


* Well, it helped me until the gun club (10 minutes from my house :)) told me that it was verbotten to set up target stands, and that all shooting must be done at the 50 foot (16.7 yard) line. It was some unwritten rule that I was apparently violating for over a year, known only to the "good ol' boys network" that runs the club. I was shooting 500 rounds every Sunday night, following Mr. Ross's advice, and my skill level and confidence improved. Needless to say, I didn't renew my membership there this year, and I'm sure my skill level has gone back in the toilet by now. :fire: :banghead: I know it's offtopic, but after 1/2 year, it still pisses me off so much that I gripe about it whenever I can. I'm still having a crisis of faith about whether this whole shooting thing is worth the effort after that experience.

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