Problem with 14 rd mags from CZ


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drf
September 25, 2004, 01:27 PM
I ordered two 14 rd magazines from CZ USA last week..

I recieved the mags the other day and one of them fit good
while the other one will not even fit inside of the grip when fully loaded..
Aslo it was extremely hard to load the 14th rd in the mag...

The mag looked like it had been used and abused...
It had nicks on the top of the plastic and the paint was warn off of it....

I thought I would get good new mags from the factory
At least ones that worked....

Does anyone know if this is usually CZs policy to sell used mags for $37 a piece? drf

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Marshall
September 25, 2004, 05:11 PM
Maybe they're 13 round mags?

cratz2
September 26, 2004, 04:49 PM
These are the 14 round mags for the Compact/PCR/P-01, correct? Never used them myself as I'm not going to pony up $37 yet... Just wanting to clarify for future readers of the post.

drf
September 26, 2004, 06:00 PM
Yes cratz these are the same mags.... Neither mag looks new like the 10 rounders that came with my P-01 when I bought it....

Especially the duller colored mag that dont work.....

Do you or anyone else thinks its normal for CZ USA to sell used mags at $37 a piece
Both were "USED" but the one that doesnt work was used and abused....

I think its been through a few wars by the way it looks....

When I called CZ, the person on the phone just told me to send it back...

I said it looks like its a very used magazine and he just said again to send it back..

Kinda rude to me and wouldnt say anything else........drf

drf
September 26, 2004, 06:15 PM
I posted on the CZ forum about the problems with my 14 rd mags and now I am unable to post over there at all.....

Has anyone else ever had this problem posting somehting negative about CZ USA?????drf

Lone Star
September 26, 2004, 06:23 PM
I don't post there, but tell us about the magazines. Should they be avoided?

I thought the large capacity mags were for 15 rounds, not 14?

Many manufacturers don't like to have negative info get out, and that forum is sponsored by the US CZ importer. Looks like they're supressing anything they don't want consumers to know!

Lone Star

BryanP
September 26, 2004, 06:56 PM
Can you provide a link to the post?

RugerOldArmy
September 26, 2004, 07:01 PM
Are you sure you weren't just not logged in, or it was just a glitch in the fabric of cyberspace? I saw your post (http://p201.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm61.showMessage?topicID=723.topic) , it didn't sound like anything you would be banned for. Try again.

..and relax a bit ;)

I'd contact CZ. Let us know if they make it right.

cratz2
September 26, 2004, 07:39 PM
I've been a member over there for a long time though I have relatively few posts. Good bunch of guys, and I have a strong interest in CZs, but most of my interest is more common gun posts and this forum covers it best.

The owner of the CZ Forum (as well as many of the moderators) posts here regularly as well. I've never found him to be easily offended as long as you conduct yourself with some modicum of decency which I believe you did.

As suggested, I'd check to make sure you are logged in... Maybe clear your cache and try again.

rbernie
September 26, 2004, 07:46 PM
I'll join the chorus of 'you probably didn't get kicked off but just had a technical glitch'. I've posted over there a fair bit and never received the impression that the moderators were anything but fair-minded gun enthusiasts.

cratz2
September 26, 2004, 07:49 PM
I've had mixed results with calling CZUSA... Sometimes very friendly, sometimes not so much but nothing extreme.

I'm just kind of wondering what you were expecting the person to say after he already said to send the mag back... Kinda sounds like the situation was already was on temporarily resolved... Further complaining was just sort of adding salt to a wound since he already acknowledged a problem on their part.

Not trying to be a butthead or anything...

CZF
September 26, 2004, 08:10 PM
MIKE is often labeled as rude. He is the ONLY guy in the states
that is a CZ Armourer. This keeps him busy with fixing or improving guns
and he has to be there to accept calls for parts and service.

I find him to be direct and to the point, just like a busy Gunsmith should be
when there are too many call and not enough people there.

You should have NO problem in returning the defective mag.


BTW:
Are they marked LEO or GOV use Only?

CZF
September 26, 2004, 08:18 PM
I didn't ban anyone! Maybe a MOD deleted the post? I don't like them
to do that. Unless it is a personal attack..i.e. the Hakan fiasco.


Likewise...
GOOD OR BAD ABOUT CZs, IT WILL PROBABLY SHOW UP ON CZF.

CZ-USA doesn't sponsor us in any way. We exist to discuss and
promote CZs to the shooting community.

That CZUB and CZ-USA get more recognition and sales..means
that they like us.

Last year we became the Official Forum for CZ products.

I don't do forum stuff on the weekends..Fir and Sat sometimes Sun.

The other days of the week take up my CZ time.

I will look into your problem.

KEV





http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/28889czktech.JPG

Black Snowman
September 26, 2004, 08:21 PM
I'm a moderator over there and I don't see anything wrong with your account. Try clearing you cookies and logging back in. EZboards are kinda unreliable. If it's still giving you grief let me know and I'll get the Admin to look at it.

Edit: NM, he beat me to it :D

Gary in Pennsylvania
September 26, 2004, 09:10 PM
DON'T GET ME STARTED!!!!!!!!



Every time I toggle from one page to the next ( all day yesterday and today ), I get kicked out and must log in again. In other words - I can't even edit my own posts!

I go to CZF as a favorite in my Explorer Bar. I must login. I see all the 'stars' in the forums that have messages since the last time I visited. I click on a room . . . . . I must login again. I click on a topic and want to reply? . . . . You guessed it - It wants my login information
I can't even edit my own posts!


Needless to say . . . . I'm a little upset!


Owners/Mods - WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!

drf
September 26, 2004, 09:36 PM
cratz, I was trying to get an explaination on why I would recieve a defective used magazine from a company like CZ. I thought maybe he would say "WOW" you recieved used defective magazines, I dont know how that happened but send it back and we will make it right...

I expected more from a big reputable company...


Maybe some fly by night internet site might try and sell used and abused magazines but not from the gun company itself

CZF, The 14 rd magazines I was sent from CZ do not have any markings on them at all....

They are both used but were cleaned of any fouling.......drf

macavada
September 26, 2004, 09:49 PM
Hakan fiasco?

jem375
September 27, 2004, 05:03 PM
I had a little trouble with an order from Hakan also...I wrote him that I would let everyone else sing his praises, I won't..........

CZF
September 27, 2004, 07:52 PM
Some people on CZF have been attacking Hakan by posts about him being Turkish..and alot of other garbage that they should keep shut up about.

I don't allow that kind of crap..about anyone, period!

As for Hakan Grips and his customer service..
No person or product is perfect. Sorry that your experience was so bad.

I respect your opinion, and I will continue to sing about mine for his
products.

cratz2
September 27, 2004, 08:00 PM
I understand and again, I appologize on behalf of CZUSA... But very often, it's human nature to NOT take responsibility for someone else's screw up.

I used to work at Hewlett Packard. If you received a computer that didn't work as expected and you happened to get me on the phone, I would have very cordially set up an RMA and got the ball rolling to make things right but I doubt I would have appologized for someone else screwing your computer up.

As for used mags in general from a manufacturer, if I paid $37 each for a couple of those 14 round mags, and I got mags that looked like they had been used beyond some sort of quality testing, I'd be pretty upset even if they worked perfectly.

Anyway, hope you get a new mag you're happy with. :)

Angus Podgorney
September 27, 2004, 08:06 PM
Hakan does BEAUTIFUL work! I have not baught anything from him (waiting for him to make Hi Power grips) but when I sent him a couple emails asking about Hipower grips he responded to everyone and was very courteous.

My .2 worth

Ed

Gary in Pennsylvania
September 27, 2004, 08:36 PM
Dammit people! :fire:

If you want the damn grips in a weeks time - go order them from Hogue! They're cut by machine and always in stock! Although Hakan may be a small shop, it's not a run-down backyard shed. He's a craftsman who applies tried-and-true hands-on crafting. Fine hand-made quality takes time people.

OK all you knife fanatics - Can you get a special request Ron Leuschen Little Hen Knife in your greedy hands in under three weeks time? ( More like a loooong time on some orders )

Guitar players? How 'bout a Manzer acoustic? You're waiting at least 12 months.

How 'bout a Dane Burns 1911? Yup - you're waitin'.

How about a Del Fatti holster for your P7M8? Get in line buster!

And if you want the best looking friggin' grips to ever grace a CZ . . . . . You've gotta understand that there are others that want them too. Linda Manzer builds only a few guitars a year - so naturally the waiting list is long. Many Many people want Hakan grips ( and yes - I have TWO orders in with him ), but he is a stickler for detail and you've just got to wait. In the meantime, keep the damn stock CZ grips on and wait . . . . . . Otherwise you should have just ordered the regular Hogues.


MY $0.02!!!

:D

Gary in Pennsylvania
September 27, 2004, 08:48 PM
And oh - thanks to some advice from a fellow CZF member ( OregonPCR ), my EZboard woes have been solved!

I think I just fixed mine.

As a desperate move, I went into tools and deleted all my cookies, and my history - then went back to CZForum and logged in again. I said yes to remembering my login info. My security settings are set at Medium.

So far it's now working fine. So, maybe its an issue with the cookie expiring? Or somehow getting corrupted...

Try it, it might work for you too!


Thanks Buddy!

Zardoz
September 28, 2004, 12:03 AM
Good luck with the over priced mags. :D I hope you have better service from CZ than I got! :barf:

Hakan
September 28, 2004, 10:19 AM
I too have problems with logging in to CZ Forum sometimes and I'm sure it's a EZ Board problem.

Jem375,

I'm sorry to hear your dissatisfaction with me but, at least it's comforting to know that it is an delay issue and not a quality one.

Regards,


Hakan.

Gary in Pennsylvania
September 28, 2004, 01:11 PM
hope you have better service from CZ than I got!

I've never bought anything from CZ directly ( though I may get some nice CZ logo'd goodies ), but all my e-mails to the gunsmith there have been promptly answered in under 24 hours.

CZF
September 28, 2004, 08:49 PM
LOgo Items?? Sweatshirt and cap? long sleeved t-shirt and cap..
'or other CZ goodies?? They might be out of some sizes by now.

RugerOldArmy
September 28, 2004, 10:19 PM
Alas, thay only have the CZ Speedo's left for Gary. On the plus side, he's in Pennsylvania, so we'll never see them on the beach. ;)

Gary in Pennsylvania
September 29, 2004, 07:33 AM
Alas, thay only have the CZ Speedo's left for Gary. On the plus side, he's in Pennsylvania, so we'll never see them on the beach.

Heeyyyy . . . . . That's not a bad idea! In fact – I could be the next CZ spokesperson model! Imagine that . . . . . Me in nothing but a tight pair of CZ Speedo’s with a HBE Leatherworks Com3 IWB holster ( at 3 O’Clock, of course! ). Imagine how many monitors would have me proudly displayed as their wallpaper!



:D :D :D :D

Litlman
September 29, 2004, 10:07 AM
For $37 the mags should even smell new. The ban is over aren't prices supposed to be better??? Gary, is Eric L. making a hide away holster for the "CZ Speedo" that looks natural???? " The HBE tactical speedo holster" only $19.95 while supplies last! Be good...

armoredman
September 29, 2004, 10:17 AM
Gary, I did want to eat sometime today - that visual just eliminated that....
I got an old mag from CZ too, and am wondering what to do - my e-mails have been ignored, which is unsual for them, so I will call and find out what to do. I could see $20 for a used mag,m but not $45.50, with shipping. I am a bona fide CZ nut, and Clone guy, too, so I won't drop them by any means, and am workign to try to get my Dept to switch to CZ.....:cool:

BlackJack
September 29, 2004, 11:57 AM
For the record, I ordered 4 of the compact 14rd mags at $37 each. Order taker was direct and in a hurry, but the mags came in 4 days as promised. They were new, not LEO marked, and all work fine--hold 14rds, function in the pistol (a P-01) without a hitch, and look fine. The finish is a flat parkerized looking finish that seems durable enough and yes, with new magazines it can be a little hard to push in the 14th round--as it is to push in the final rounds in almost any magazine. No complaints here.

drf
September 29, 2004, 03:21 PM
BlackJack, it was nearly impossible to put the 14th rd in the mag and once it was in, the mag would not even fit in the grip....

It wasnt a new mag. it was used...

Not only did I pay $37 a piece for used mags... I had to pay another $5 bucks to ship it back......drf

nwiniewicz
September 29, 2004, 06:10 PM
I ordered a standard cap for my P01. It came looking branding new and factory fresh...no issues. Mine was marked "Law Enforcement Only." Haven't had the chance to run any rounds through yet, so I can't comment on functionality.

Sounds like somehow CZ-USA has a mixed stockpile of mags on their shelves.

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