Ohio CCW question


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3 gun
September 26, 2004, 06:03 AM
Saw this at the range today. Anyone know what the guy is talking about here? I know the Ohio law is odd with a "in plain sight" clause while in a car, but that is covered in the CCW class. So is this someone trying to make a quick buck or does our law have yet another serious flaw??

The only thing I can figure is if you don't keep the gun in your holster while in the car but use a "lock box" you might still have to unload the gun and separate it from the ammo. Another Ohio law requires you to transport a firearm and ammo separate from each other. The CCW pamphlet does not state you must unload your pistol first if using a "lock box" while in your car. Is this what he is hinting at and shouldn't it have been brought up during the CCW class, not offered as a "seminar" after the fact?

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noklue3
September 26, 2004, 06:13 AM
Sure looks like a way to scam/scare people out of $75 a pop. Goto http://www.ofcc.net/ to get the straight info.

Take care,
Art

Coronach
September 26, 2004, 09:48 AM
So...the law that the governor signed is...actually not the law as written in the ORC?

Uh...ok. :rolleyes:

I mean, yeah, the law is kinda overwrought and silly, but lets not make this any harder than it is. Sounds like BS to me.

...unless he is trying to say that there is an error in the AG's pamphlet. As I have not seen the AG's pamphlet, I cannot say for sure. Anyone have a link to the text of the document?

Sounds like BS to me, man.

Mike

noklue3
September 26, 2004, 11:06 AM
The whole text is referenced on the OFCC website I linked above. You are right, it is BS.

Art

Ringer
September 26, 2004, 11:14 AM
I believe this may be the pamphlet in question. It says to me loaded in a locked glove box or loaded in locked case in plain sight is OK.

http://www.ag.state.oh.us/web_applications/concealcarry/documents/cc_booklet20040319-72.pdf

Ninj500
September 26, 2004, 01:31 PM
"Fortunately, the source of this information is 100% wrong, and has a history of this. What he is PROBABLY referring to is the fact that Anderson's publishing published the wrong version of the law. Although they are the official code reporter for Ohio, Anderson's has no legal ability to alter the law. The version that Gov. Taft signed is the correct version, and does provide for legal car carry, regardless of the age of occupants in the car. OFCC has just secured a comprehensive summary of Ohio firearm laws, and will have it for sale on their website shortly. Visit www.ohioccw.org and look for "The Ohio Guide to Firearm Laws" before you go spending a bunch of money for incorrect, uninformed advice."

Atticus
September 26, 2004, 05:21 PM
Just do the right thing....it's for the safety of the OSHP.


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SMMAssociates
September 28, 2004, 02:48 AM
I think this guy is wrong.... (That "somebody published the wrong version" may indeed be accurate.)

However, there is some question in my mind (which doesn't make a lot of difference, I suppose :evil: ) as to what you need to do if you want to get out of the car and leave the gun in it.

I _think_ you need to unload it and stow it in the trunk.... :fire:

However, there's an exception for schools and universities in there someplace.

I also think that the A/G's booklet _may_ be wrong about this; bear in mind that it's clearly stated that it's not to be considered legal advice. :banghead:

I did run into something that's probably valid: The "steal me" box requirement is extremely vague. About all you have to do is be able to lock it. Any old attache case or locking gun rug, gym bag, etc.; anything that you can lock.... The less it looks like a steel box with a gun in it, the better. :D

The weather's getting cold. The "on your person" options are getting slimmer.... I'm thinking, too (IANAL) that "between the seatbelt and you", which may be dangerous to you, would be "_on_ your person" enough to satisfy. Any old Uncle Mike's holster would be sufficient because it apparently has to be holstered.

(If the Governor really cared about OSP's safety, he'd have asked us to toss it on the dash. ) :what:

falconer
September 28, 2004, 05:18 PM
I wonder if our state legislators realize that a lot of newer cars no longer have locks on the gloveboxes. My 2000 Grand Cherokee certainly doesn't.

SMMAssociates
September 28, 2004, 08:11 PM
Falconer:

That's why the "steal me" box is allowed....

Or they forgot about it entirely.... The whole thing's a "poison pill".

One of the OH guys used a filing cabinet lock in a Chevy product. I guess some vehicles would be amenable to that.

But we gotta protect the carjackers.... :banghead:

noklue3
October 1, 2004, 04:50 AM
Evidently this WAS a scam:

http://www.ofcc.net/article2411.html



CONSUMER ALERT: Cleveland-area attorney selling seminars w/ ''incorrect info"
Posted on Tuesday, September 28 @ 12:38:30 EDT by cbaus



Ohioans For Concealed Carry has been contacted by multiple sources who are concerned about the actions of a northeast Ohio attorney at the Stonewall Ltd. range in Cleveland.

According to recent visitors to Stonewall, attorney Stephen Miller is distributing a "bulletin" (see image) warning Concealed Handgun License (CHL)-holders that "the law, as codified in the Ohio Revised Code, does not reflect the Act, known as HB12, that the Governor signed into law. If you carry, especially in a motor vehicle, in accordance with the law as printed in the pamphlet provided by the Attorney General, you will in all probability be comitting a felony in the fourth degree."

Miller's "bulletin" goes on to advertise a "seminar updating you on the problems you face", at a cost of $75 per person.

One Stonewall visitor and graduate of Miller's CCW course told OFCC Miller presented the "bulletin" to him after recognizing him as a former student. When Miller was pressed for details about the bulletin's contents, our source says Miller specifically referred to the existence of a provision making carrying in a motor vehicle in the presence of a minor illegal!

(continued at ofcc website link at the beginning of this)

Art

SMMAssociates
October 1, 2004, 11:38 AM
When you visit the OFCC site, be sure to read the background material provided on this topic.

I'm not sure what the guy's _really_ up to, but it's quite a story.

Not doing the OH (or any other state, for that matter) cause any good at all. :fire:

OH "friends" - if you haven't got a CHL, get one.... :D Makes the anti's nuts.


Saving a slot.... IANAL, and all that, but it looks like any old _locking_ pistol rug, soft case, attache case, etc., will satisfy the "locked in a case in plain sight" part of the rule. As long as it has a lock.... Come winter, this could be important. Carjacker friendly as it might be....

My own preference is a small attache case with a single combination lock. Still looking for one, but the whole idea is that it doesn't "advertise", and might be fairly easy to unlock if needed. :evil:

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