Give me a reason to buy a .357SIG


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Alan Fud
September 26, 2004, 07:52 PM
I own a few 9mm's.; a few .40S&W's and a few .45ACP's. Is there anything that a .357SIG can do that these other calibers can't.

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45R
September 26, 2004, 08:12 PM
I love the smile .357Sig puts on my face when I shoot this round :)

Highland Ranger
September 26, 2004, 08:15 PM
No.

jc2
September 26, 2004, 08:30 PM
Is there anything that a .357SIG can do that these other calibers can't.
No--and some things not as well!

Blueduck
September 26, 2004, 08:34 PM
No.

Was thinking of the same post myself ;) but to fair there is at least some evidense to suggest with bonded bullets (like Goldot) it has better effect on targets after penetrating glass or metal than most 9mm/40/45 rounds. I've also *heard* it tends to have less deflection on hitting glass at an angle, FWIW

If above turns out to be true maybe the ultimate nich Highway Patrol Pistol? Nothing there I could get too excited about myself...

borderguy
September 26, 2004, 09:36 PM
Because they're cool, It'll make you cool and you'll never have bad breath again.

cratz2
September 26, 2004, 10:04 PM
Well, the 357SIG will probably allow you to shoot through auto body panels a bit better than the other rounds... Great if you're a highway patrolman...

With a 357SIG you can light up a range quite effectively.

Main drawback I see is pretty expensive ammo... And much of it isn't radically faster than the best 9mm ammo and most 357 guns hold less rounds than the equilavent 9mm.

cratz2
September 26, 2004, 10:06 PM
Any of your 40s convertible to 357SIG? SIGs and Glocks are usually very easily converted.

Lennyjoe
September 27, 2004, 05:07 PM
Skip the .357 Sig and buy a 10MM;)

PO2Hammer
September 27, 2004, 05:18 PM
Skip the .357 Sig and buy a 10MM
Buy a 10mm and convert it to .40s&w/357sig.
A Glock 20 will fire all three very well.

Alan Fud
September 27, 2004, 07:19 PM
Already got a 1006

SAG0282
September 27, 2004, 07:23 PM
SIG makes guns chambered in .357SIG. ;)

Mute
September 27, 2004, 07:26 PM
Give me a reason to buy a .357SIG

Uh....you get to buy a new gun?

Obiwan
September 27, 2004, 08:15 PM
Because you don't have one!

Jim4003
September 27, 2004, 08:25 PM
Other than having a new caliber I do not really see all that with the 357 sig. I believe you having 9mm, 40, and 45 covers it pretty well. I might consider it if Smith would offer a TSW in it.

Jim4003
September 27, 2004, 08:28 PM
Forgot to mention I did try the 357 with a Glock 32, I didnt care for either, may be I didnt like one because of the other. Would still consider A TSW Smith in it.

PJR
September 27, 2004, 08:43 PM
The top ten reasons to own a .357SIG.

10) Because you don't have a .38 Super?

9) You're just a drop in barrel away from having a two caliber gun.

8) Lot's more noise and big sheets of flame.

7) Drives brass pickers crazy. "What's that funny little bottle necked cartridge there Bubba? Danged if I know."

6) No need to buy a different caliber bullet if you reload. Your 9 bullets will do just fine AND go faster

5) Great way to meet women. "Hey there big fella, what's that round you're shootin'?" .357SIG? Cool! 'Kin I try it?"

4) Great way to make men who bring women to the range jealous. See above. You are the uber of cool.

3) It puts you on the leading edge of tactical wonderfulness. Really, it does. Just ask anyone.

2) It's what the Secret Service uses and if it's good enough to guard Dubya, it's good enough for you.

And the number one reason to own a .357SIG.....

1) Liberals and Democrats hate the .357 SIG. See reason #2. Why? Because it will be guarding Dubya for four more years.

That do it for you?

Poohgyrr
September 27, 2004, 10:46 PM
Conversion is a big plus in my mind. For Sig & Glock it's a barrel swap.

Plus if I could only have one caliber of firearms, in pistol rounds, .35 caliber would cover everything from all the 9mms, .38 Spec, .357 Mag, .38 Super, .357 Sig, and everything else I'm not thinking of right now. With some care, you could load the same bullet into alll those rounds. Might not get the best performance, but it could be done. Makes it easier to keep track of reloading supplies.

coylh
September 28, 2004, 01:26 AM
Since I already had a 9mm, I avoided having to replace my cleaning brushes by going with the .357 SIG.

jc2
September 28, 2004, 07:33 AM
Not really. You need to buy a .40 S&W brush to properly clean the chamber!

Smoke
September 28, 2004, 10:22 AM
'cause.

MK11
September 28, 2004, 12:56 PM
You want it? Buy it.

The .357 Sig is super accurate and a lot of fun to shoot. Whether it's got any real ballistic advantage I can't tell you (although from the way some people froth at the mouth over it, you'd think the Texas DPS was putting its troopers in jeopardy by issuing the .357 Sig instead of having a lot of success with it). The fact that the barrels swap in Glocks and Sigs make it an affordable alternative. Get new springs and mags and you could also add a 9mm barrel for three in one.

carpettbaggerr
September 28, 2004, 01:10 PM
Standard ammo for .357 Sig is faster than +P+ for the 9mm. And the 9mm +P+ is not that easy to get.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
September 28, 2004, 01:30 PM
My wife bought a P229 for me several years ago after she saw me eyeballing it. I didn't know much about 357sig then, and I had never fired one.

It was an unknown quantity to me when I got it, but I was hooked with the first magazine. It's something you have to experience. It shoots straight, flat, and fast with an Old Testament grade of muzzle blast.

I absolutely love it.

All the Texas DPS officers I know like it. I think that's a pretty good endorsement.

I'd consider buying another.

Regards,
Rabbit.

BJPARKER
September 28, 2004, 01:45 PM
Because you're an American, and you can.

marley
September 28, 2004, 03:12 PM
It is a great way to meet new friends at the range. It is loud and everybody want's to know what you are shooting. Patrick

michiganfan
September 28, 2004, 08:33 PM
What everybody else said about loud and flame. It literally is a blast to shoot.

tc300mag1
September 28, 2004, 09:30 PM
just use the excuse like i did i dont have a _______________ insert gun maker here and need one thats how i bought my 357 sig in a sig :)

emc
September 30, 2004, 12:06 PM
A friend of mine does surveillance, having to spend a LOT of time in a van and on the road. He has gone to the .357 Sig specifically due to issues of sheet metal and glass penetration. For those of us in similar circumstances, it does make some sense. Plus, the drop in caliber change between .40 S&W and .357 Sig is kind of nice.

FWIW,

emc

waktasz
September 30, 2004, 01:16 PM
Because the Air Marshalls carry it in their SIG 229s, which makes it the preferred terrorist killer of well informed Americans nationwide.

SKeefe
September 30, 2004, 04:38 PM
Because DoubleTap has some 125gr JHP 1450fps ammo coming out within the next month?

Blueduck
September 30, 2004, 06:10 PM
Because the Air Marshalls carry it in their SIG 229s, which makes it the preferred terrorist killer of well informed Americans nationwide.

Except for those Americans who are informed that no Sky Marshall has ever shot, much less killed, any terrorist (or anyone else) on a plane in the entire agencies history ;)

TK73
October 1, 2004, 02:50 AM
...I personally wouldn't want one because that power makes the .357 SIG rather abusive to the pistol chambering it. In comparison to the 9 mm x 19 Parabellum, the longevity of a similar gun in .357 SIG seems to be reduced appreciably. A Glock 17 or 19 almost lasts forever whereas the similar G31 or 32 are known to have failed/broken after only a couple of thousand rounds. Obviously, the pounding the gun receives from the .357 SIG is a lot harder.

I prefer to train a lot with my self-defense guns and I'd like to avoid my guns or a major components to break in the moment of truth as much as I can. Hence, my preference for the 9 mm Luger and .45 ACP rounds. Cost of training ammunition is another factor.

I'd give the .357 SIG an slight edge in stopping power in comparison to aforesaid calibers (9 mm and .45), though.

Alan, you seem to be well set with the more common calibers, so if you feel you want absolutely want a .357 SIG, don't hesitate. The .357 SIG just isn't for me. If I want .357 power I'd rather carry a revolver in .357 Magnum. I am quite confident you own at least one .357 revolver, too.

Best wishes!

litework
October 1, 2004, 01:03 PM
A friend of mine does surveillance, having to spend a LOT of time in a van and on the road. He has gone to the .357 Sig specifically due to issues of sheet metal and glass penetration. For those of us in similar circumstances, it does make some sense.

If fridges, TV's and computers are part of our everyday life, then aren't we in similar circumstances? The potential for shooting through barriers is very real. The VA state police selected this caliber for this reason.

I have a 357 Sig and like it because it's pretty potent and comes in a nice compact package (XD 357). I have many other calibers and like them as much or better. The 357 Sig has a fun factor, but I admit that I don't carry it as often as my 10mm's or my .45's. I do like it more than my 9mm's (one of which is a similar XD9). I bought mine just to have one, but I do enjoy shooting more than I thought I would :)

Slaytera666
October 1, 2004, 06:58 PM
I have bought the XD-357 and the conversion barrel for a 40. I love both and the ability to swap ammo that easily.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
October 1, 2004, 07:10 PM
I have a good friend who has an auto wrecking yard/tow truck service. He's been itching to shoot my P229 in 357sig; I'll take the digicam and grab some images of what it'll do to various body panels/doors/engine blocks at a safe distance.

I have a feeling we'll all be impressed.

Texas DPS officers I've discussed the round with anecdotally report it to be 'like a lightning bolt' as far as results. We'll see.

As for me, I'm convinced. I like it. I had no idea when I got mine, but after a lot of rounds downrange and lots of targets perforated, it's fast, loud, accurate, and reliable.


Regards,
Rabbit.

jc2
October 1, 2004, 09:46 PM
Despite the internet myths, the 357 SIG does no better in the FBI tests (including intermediate barriers) than the 9x19.

The "like a lightning bolt" phrase was actually coined by Ayoob in a gunrag--not by the TX DPS. The DPS is not as universally enthralled by the 357 SIG as the gunrags and internet would have you believe--particularly the troopers with a great deal of "gun savvy."

Basically, the best 357 SIG ammunition performs no better (and is no more effective in actual LE use) than the best 9x19. The are both .36 calibre, and the rather small difference in velocity/energy is not enough to make a difference. The 357 SIG is a good self-defence/LE round, and if you want to carry it, more power to you, but it offers no advantage in effectiveness over the best 9x19 rounds.

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