Today I bought a LNIB ADC Model 1 derringer in .44mag. I've always
wanted a big bore derringer and price/condition/personal liquidity were
all in alignment so I snatched it up knowing full well it won't see alot of
use in my hands. Went out to the side yard and fired it into the ground
with a couple of .44 mags just to get it over with. Yes, no surprise, the
recoil is abusive (but not unmanageable-the gun slams back more than it
flips). Fired a couple of round of .44sp. and found that to actually be
fairly comfortable. In any event, unless I find myself riverboat gambling
with grizzly bears, this gun is unlikely to see any practical use and I
knew that when I bought it. I wanted it just for the coolness/oddity
factor. Other guns I own for the same reason include a Broomhandle,
Nagant revolver, Tokarev, and blackpowder pepperbox. So, what guns
did you buy just for novelty or historical interest, knowing they didn't
have much practical/tactical/target/sport application?
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sgt127
September 27, 2004, 08:58 PM
Honestly...I could survive the rest of my life with a 3" S&W 65 and a couple speedloaders. If it came right down to it, I can't justify the vast majority of my toys. I'm just thankful that I don't have to. Every gun I have fills a certain niche..or is cool...or I just liked it...or it fit a perceived need...or its fun to shoot...or, as you point out out, has historical or sentimental significane. I swear I'm not trying to be flippant, but, its the truth for me.
Standing Wolf
September 27, 2004, 09:11 PM
They're almost all for the fun of it. Heck, even my main carry guns are more than I actually need.
TNGO
September 28, 2004, 01:15 AM
I had a Model 1 in .45ACP. The trigger pull was very heavy, and the recoil became unpleasant after 5 or 6 rounds. The novelty faded after a couple of months and I sold it.
unspellable
September 28, 2004, 02:17 PM
My Ruger P89 chambered for 7.65 mm Parabellum. (30 Luger)
My Erma Luger look like chambered for 32 ACP.
My Nagent gas seal revolver.
Dr.Rob
September 28, 2004, 04:52 PM
I tell people my 1908 Colt Vest pocket .25 is also a whistle.
Theres a novelty.
borderguy
September 28, 2004, 11:58 PM
9mm Luger. My neighboor had one for sale and I couldn't resist!!! Way Cool!!!
3rdpig
September 29, 2004, 02:29 AM
C.O.P. - I bought one of these .357 mag, 4 barrel derringers when they first appeared on the market. Took one look at the business end and got out my checkbook. Still one of the best "gee whiz" guns I own. Downright abusive to fire with fullhouse .357's. Can't hit a thing with it beyond 15 feet, but even if you miss with the slug you still set the target on fire with the muzzle blast!
Wildalaska
September 29, 2004, 02:37 AM
Nagant~! Nagant!
WildobsoleteAlaska
lee n. field
September 30, 2004, 09:19 AM
My Ruger P89 chambered for 7.65 mm Parabellum. (30 Luger)
Probably a silly question, but (IIRC) .30 Luger is dimentionally the same as 7.62X25. Is the Ruger up to shooting that stuff?
BluesBear
September 30, 2004, 10:16 AM
30 Luger is dimentionally the same as 7.62X25
NO!
.30 Mauser is the same size. .30 Luger has a larger base dimension. (same as 9mm)
The rim diameter is close enough that the Mauser/Tokarev will usually chamber and be held in place by the extractor, but firing the Tokarev round in the Luger chamber could lead to split cases.
unspellable
September 30, 2004, 10:24 AM
Not so. The 7.65 mm Parabellum ( 30 Luger ) is not at all the same as the 7.62x25 Tokarev.
The 7.65 mm Parabellum has a case length of about 21.6 mm and an OAL of about 30 mm as opposed to the Tok's 25 mm case and OAL of around 35 mm. The 9 mm Parabellum ( 9 mm Luger ) was later developed to operate on the same platform as the 7.65 mm Parabellum.
I would think the Ruger P89 would probably have the strength to handle the Tok but I don't know if the action would be long enough to accomodate it.
unspellable
September 30, 2004, 10:28 AM
I'm afraid you would have to use a rather heavy hammer to get the Tok round into the 7.65 mm Parabellum chamber. It's longer.
7.65 mm Borchardt, 7.63 mm Mauser, 7.62 mm Tokarev, and one other rather obscure cartridge all have more or less the same dimensions.
7.65 mm Parabellum was derived by shortening the 7.65 mm Borchardt.
9 mm Parabellum was derived by shortening and necking up the 7.65 mm Borchardt.
All have more or less the same rim and head diameter.
lee n. field
October 1, 2004, 12:09 PM
My bad for going with a vague recollection, rather then checking a reference.
Still, in line with "Novelty Pistols", rechamber a nice gun to shoot cheap Commie milsurp ammo? Say, a nice shiny/tactical <insert your favorite high-status, decorative and useful pistol> in 7.62x25 at the high end, 9x18 at the low? Something to make the snobs go "euuuuu" and me to go "hmmmmm".
Black Snowman
October 1, 2004, 12:27 PM
So, when are you building that double stack Caspian 7.62x25 race gun for us to ooh and ahh over ;)
Oleg Volk
October 2, 2004, 05:36 PM
A Glock in 25ACP might be cute :D
Or a 1911 in 7.62x25 :eek:
Actually, a Webley mk.IV in 44spl or 45acp would combine novelty and practical usability.
BluesBear
October 3, 2004, 04:17 AM
A Glock in 25ACP might be cute Yeah and it could even utilize the world's first TRIPLE column magazine and still keep the feeling of that great Glock grip. :neener:
A 37 round magazine full of Speer 35gr JHP. Wowsers. Now THAT'S Perfection!
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