Here it is, late September already. Your kids are at school and you've had time to get used to the regular schedule again. How about some fun.
I figure mid to late Oct should be just about perfect. The weather will be as close to perfect as it gets around here for outdoor shooting at the Westminister range for some rifle shooting (and I can't believe the pistol range won't be open by then, assuming it isn't already open). The chances for rain will be about as low as they ever get around here, by then we may have warm days but it won't be getting hot anymore, and it will be too early to be getting cold yet.
What say you guys? Make it tentatively Sunday Oct 24th starting at 1:30 or 2pm (time for church/family time for those so inclined, but should leave plenty of shooting time).
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September 28, 2004, 01:30 AM
As luck would have it Sheslinger and I will be in town from the 24 through the 30th, so barring anything unforseen we will tag along if you will have us.
September 28, 2004, 05:08 PM
Sadly, I will be off on a "girls weekend" at that time relaxing, drinking and spending a day at the spa (okay, so i'm not too sad about it :p ).
Cslinger and Sheslinger, if you still want to get together midweek or the next weekend, let me know. Anyone up for that as well? A shooting event followed by a non shooting event that same week?
September 28, 2004, 05:16 PM
We'd love to get together for dinner or drinks or both. Anytime during the week would be good for us.
September 28, 2004, 08:47 PM
I'll be around that weekend as well.
Just remember that Hap Baker Range is extraordinarily crowded by 2pm on a Sunday in October with the hunting crowd sighting in their rifles. 2 hour wait times are not unheard of......
September 28, 2004, 09:02 PM
Arg....I'll be roughing it in the wild, slaying wild aquatic creatures for my meals, and having nothing but strong ale to drink.
In other words I'm going on a camping trip down on the Pocomoke river with some buddies to catch fish and drink beer.
Cslinger....I'd be up for the dinner/drinks thing during the week though.
anapex and I had pm'd about getting together anyway, so this might work out just fine.
Tina usually has off on Tues and Thurs nights.
/thread hijack off
September 28, 2004, 09:23 PM
I will bring the AR15 with .22long rifle conversion. If that doesn't get some grins from her I just don't know what will. I assume this would be ok in any indoor ranges.
September 30, 2004, 06:29 PM
You see, I have an AR-15....looks pretty evil too.
she doesn't know I have it.:evil:
.22lr conversion should be no problem at the indoor ranges
September 30, 2004, 08:08 PM
For those that haven't been to Hap Baker for awhile there is now also a dedicated pistol range with 9 lanes using a pulley system so there are no cease fires. That's the good news. The bad news is that unless you are firing a 50 yard and up hand cannon you are going to have to use the pistol range. If a few people go then it would probably be best to have some on the benches and some on the pistol range so you can go back and forth.
It's been strange this year with range use. Two weeks ago every bench was taken and people waiting by 9:30. Last week, with the start of black powder hunting season coming up, the range did not start filling up until around 11:30. I took three handguns with me just in case I had to wait but it was pretty empty an 9:15. If they get real busy they will limit range time to two hours.
September 30, 2004, 09:30 PM
Slight chance me and the Mrs and the baby might be out in that area then. No promises, though I'll have a much better idea in a week or two. Won't be bringing any guns if we are there, so we'd have to bludge off the rest of you. We'll see what transpires.
October 1, 2004, 05:47 PM
I now have a couple Mosin Nagants and a K31 I can bring if we do Hap Baker, that should give us something a little bit different then the regulars. Not as unique as the stuff Jim brought with him last time though, I don't have that kind of money yet!
October 1, 2004, 08:23 PM
October 24th would be perfect for me - no matches scheduled. I'll drag out an AR or two, some pistols...any restrictions on what we can bring?
October 1, 2004, 10:20 PM
"No 40 round or banana clips" - Sign posted at the range.
something to do with thise two jackoffs who went around DC shooting people two years ago.....
October 1, 2004, 10:55 PM
I'd like to think that I'll have my FAL by then, by I remain skeptical that one will turn up in time.:(
October 2, 2004, 11:22 AM
I'll volunteer up my AR-15 if Norton wants to take it with him.
Maybe somebody can sight in the new scope I put on it.....
October 2, 2004, 11:42 AM
>>>I'll volunteer up my AR-15 if Norton wants to take it with him.<<<
But....but...it might take over my soul with its tacticality and evilness and make me do bad things:evil:
October 2, 2004, 01:27 PM
Well it's in "timeout" right now for breaking out of the safe and murdering babies, old ladies and pregnant nuns on the 13th.
Bad rifle, no ammo!:neener:
I'll send a pm out to all the MD'ers on my "buddy list" to stir the pot a little
October 2, 2004, 01:33 PM
Ok....pm's were just sent out to about 45 Marylanders here at THR. I excluded people who have already posted here.
You guys should have a great time; I wish I could be there.
October 2, 2004, 10:21 PM
Thursdays and Fridays off, only.
Super good idea, though.
Pls keep me posted on any other events, no matter what day they might fall on. :( :(
October 3, 2004, 01:30 AM
Thx for PM Scott - hadn't found this thread. I would like to come but so far seems like Oct is almost too full ... also have a long haul to a PA shoot Oct 30. All is not lost - yet ... just might manage but - no way to be definite right now. Would of course be great to get down and see everyone.
I'll see how month progresses so have to be so far a ''might be''.
If not that one then hopefully another in the winter months.
October 3, 2004, 09:25 AM
You know you've got two road trips in you!:D
Where is that PA shoot? My life is getting back to normal in a couple of weeks and I might be able to pull a road trip as well.
October 3, 2004, 01:04 PM
Paul - it is mainly a schedule thing but --- certainly hoping I can manage something ... just not sure yet.
The PA shoot (http://TheFiringLine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152112) is on a thread on TFL and should give you most info you'd need. Let me know if not.
October 3, 2004, 01:22 PM
That's about a 3 hour drive for me....that's a do-able day trip. I think the wife is working that day......
I may show up there and meet a few new folks.....
October 3, 2004, 09:30 PM
Has anyone actually tried out the new pistol range? I went over today to see what it's like since I live just a few miles from there. The targets backers are free hanging from a rope? Even the slightest breeze turned things into a carnival game. The pistol range sure seems like a good idea gone bad..... back to Marriottsville for me.
October 3, 2004, 09:38 PM
I can't say for sure, but it seems as if the whole pistol range saga has been a tug of war between what the guys that run the range want and what the guys controlling the purse strings have been willing to provide.
October 4, 2004, 12:58 AM
any restrictions on what we can bring In addition to the mags as already mentioned, they allow slow fire only so if you have any full-auto there is really no reason to bring them. Why risk a several thousand dollar investment (extra wear and tear, the chance of damage, the chance of theft) when you can't use it any differently than a semi-auto version. Also, shotguns are allowed, but slugs only.
October 4, 2004, 12:58 PM
Geez, even our state run Tennessee Wildlife range allows full auto fire. About they only thing that gets there knickers in a twist is shooting their target holder and making sure pistols stay on the pistol range. Everything else is pretty much fair game.
I asked the first time I went to the range, what exactly do you allow to be shot here. Do you have any restrictions on Evil Black Guns? How about full auto?
There answer was as long as you are not shooting a bazooka you are good to go. They even allow shotguns with buckshot but I will not use these as unless we are talking very short range some of the shot will hit the target stands and I don't want to contribute to the damage, when it seems as though enough people manage to hit them with bullets.
October 8, 2004, 10:06 PM
I'll be in PA visiting relatives.
I don't know when I'll make another THR meetup:(
I was at Hap Baker about a month ago. The pistol range was pretty cool. The swinging target things didn't bother me, and you don't have to wait around for a cease fire to change the targets.
I got there at 9:10 and just missed walking my target out for the first string. Getting there that early meant no wait.
October 8, 2004, 10:12 PM
The job opportunity I had in MD failed to pan out, so there's no chance I'll make it.
October 9, 2004, 06:23 AM
The job opportunity I had in MD failed to pan out, so there's no chance I'll make it.
Sorry to hear about that sumpnz, don't worry, we'll try to make it as enjoyable as possible here still!
October 9, 2004, 12:53 PM
Well, it looks like I'll be moving to Phoenix instead. A company there made me a really good offer. At least I'll get to stay in a "red" state for a while longer.
October 15, 2004, 11:43 PM
They dont really enforce the mag law, i believe it was just put in place to keep the media away.Atleast, someone said the one range officer old them that. I mean, where do you get 20 or 10 round AK mags, when theres tons of 30's out there. Ive seen the 30 rounders shot at hap, and nobody said anything.
October 16, 2004, 12:29 AM
Agreed, nobody really cares about the mag size; it's just to appease the sheeple.
Norton and I were there today exercising the rifles, and we REALLY enjoyed the new pistol range.
No ceasfires on the pistol range!
October 16, 2004, 03:57 PM
Guys .... seems I may not make this shoot .... I have a long distance PA shoot on 30th, which is a must and the weekend of your shoot is way too full of commitment ..... much is due to having had an ol' buddy staying 2 weeks which lost me a loada time, plus, I have a seemingly intractable shoulder problem of late which is screwing up my schedule and sleep rather badly - doesn't make shooting any too comfortable either!
I haven't written it off yet but .... could be I'll just have to try for next one. I do look forward to using that pistol range ... sounds good.
October 20, 2004, 10:41 PM
Can't make it on the 24th (this weekend),
but I should be able to make it if rescheduled for the 31st . . .
October 20, 2004, 11:02 PM
I was wondering the same thing. I may be able to make it this weekend or next. I really want to get some practice with the new trigger on my rifle before hunting season (does anyone have a trigger pull scale that they wouldn't mind bringing?).
October 22, 2004, 09:32 AM
Well RobG and myself now have plans to show up at Hap's around noon. We finally got clearance from our wives to go have some fun. (I'm afraid to ask what it'll cost us later though!)
I'll be bringing along:
and a couple of handguns to try out the pistol range.
October 22, 2004, 12:24 PM
Looks like I'll be back in PA so enjoy the shooting!
October 22, 2004, 12:25 PM
Hmmm...LeadPumper, if you're bringing that FAL I may want to run a few rounds through it. I have around 100 rounds of .308 that I can bring.
I can also bring my Garand....let's have an M1 beauty contest:D
October 22, 2004, 12:38 PM
Oooo Oooo Oooo I have an M1 Garand can I play??????
So where is this Hap Baker range anyway. Jule's and I will be in town by Saturday evening and assuming we having nothing else we have to do on Sunday we would love to join you folks.
If it would be possible could somebody PM me or Sheslinger their phone number or something to that effect so we could give you a call on Saturday evening or Sunday.
What are the range fees?
October 22, 2004, 01:09 PM
Range fees are $10/day out of Carroll County residents or $5/day for in county.
The range is located on Rt 140 in Westminster. Take 795 from the Baltimore Beltway until it ends. Continue onRt 140 towards Westminster.
Look for Reece Fire Company (about 10-12 minutes) and then look for the Carroll County landfill on your right. Turn into landfill and follow signs to firearms facility.
October 23, 2004, 06:30 PM
We are in town and will probably join you tomorrow at the range if you are all still going.
Let us know what time.
October 23, 2004, 06:36 PM
OH and if it matters to anybody we will bring the following.
AR15 .22long Rifle upper.
HK USC with greasegun mag conversion and Kobra red dot.
So if anybody wants to bring any ammo to run through them they are more than welcome to.
The USC is .45 and both pistols are 9mm
October 23, 2004, 08:14 PM
Doesn't look like I'm going to make it tomorrow. My wife wants me to take her to shoot her brand new 1911 that I just picked up for her and she has to be back to work by Noon. I'm also planning on going to the PA shoot next weekend so I better get some things done around the house.
Have a good time.....
October 24, 2004, 12:37 AM
Have a great time y'all ..... sorry I won't be able to meet some of you and see others again. My work schedule has gone bananas and so I definitely could not have made it - tho have cast next Saturday in conrete, work or no!:D I will still see if another time will be workable.
Paul ... hope you can make it there to W&W next Saturday .. will look forward to seeing you and hopefully many others too.
Warning .. I am RO on pistol range .... and you know how easily ol' phart Limeys get pissed!!:p :p :D :D (J/K!!)
October 24, 2004, 05:39 AM
I've come down with a bug that has been going around at work. It is a bit into it so hopefully I'll be better enough later this afternoon. I do seem to be getting over it, but I still feel pertty miserable and I am up at 4:30am with the insomnia that can come with a virus (you know, when it wakes you up every 30min or so). Between feeling "under the weather" and lack of sleep I'm not sure if it is 100% safe for me to be shooting (that full concentration thing). Hopefully I'll be able to be there, we'll see how I'm feeling later. If not, I'll have to catch everyone next time.
October 24, 2004, 12:07 PM
I think with the rain and feeling a little under the weather as well we will take a pass as well.
If anybody wants to get together during the week for dinner or drinks that would be cool as well.
October 24, 2004, 12:23 PM
Well since the wife isn't back yet and I have both boys by myself I'm out too. Now if they had just learned how to load magazines I'd bring em with me ;)
October 24, 2004, 02:41 PM
OK, several of us couldn't go at the last minute, and with the rain I'm sure there are others who had planned to make it but won't be there but haven't yet posted as such. If those who made it can post here whether or not they'd be up for another shoot soon (raindate?) maybe some of us can get together soon.
cslinger I'd be happy to get together for dinner if you and sheslinger wouldn't mind eating at one of the Pikesville area kosher restaraunts. Otherwise, we could get together for a beer or two after dinner time. Still, with my trying to get over something, Monday will probably be too early. How long are you in town?
October 24, 2004, 07:10 PM
Well, a good time was had by all...two of us.
Leadpumper and I took care of much therapy today. Pity no one else could show. I made a sign and everything so people could find us. Oh well.
Note to everyone - if you don't want to spend ALL day at the range, don't go on an October or November weekend. Way too many people sighting in rifles for hunts. We had to wait almost 2 hours to even get a lane. Didn't shoot pistols, but the pistol range looks alright.
Everything was reliable and as accurate as expected. Ciao.
October 24, 2004, 07:57 PM
I'm going up to PA next weekend for the TFL shoot if anyone wants to ride along.....probably have to leave pretty early in the morning.
October 25, 2004, 12:18 PM
Won't be able to make PA next weekend, already have plans.
Hap Baker's was fun, but crowded. And cold. And damp.
After waiting a loooong time for a lane, RobG and I set up all the way over on lane 10 (last lane on the left). We didn't get to set up until 2:30 or so, by which time my joints were all good and stiff from standing in the damp, chilly air (I could see my breath), but I guess I'm spoiled as I usually shoot handguns at an indoor range.
RobG got things started with his upgraded SKS, while I unpacked stuff and loaded mags. He had replaced both front and rear sights, put a new stock on, and some other stuff I don't pretend to have noticed. So he set upon sighting in for a few minutes first at 25 yrds, then 50. I shot a few rounds out of the SKS and noticed all the hard work he had done really cleaned up the action nicely.
After he took a break, I took over the bench. First up was the Armalite AR-180B. This rifle had given me fits the last shoot, so much so that it had to go back to Armalite for repair. (It wouldn't cycle at all.) This time however, it had no such problems. I ripped off a quick magazine to warm myself up and settle in.
Next I opened up with the FAL, I had put on a new rear sight and it needed re-zeroing. First at 25 yrds, then 50, then 75. At that range I was having trouble keeping the front sight in position. (I had replaced the post with a cross-hair set up). The front cross-hair was getting lost in the background, making accuracy suffer. Overall, I liked the new VOW click adjustable windage rear, but have decided I need to find a new front sight. No other problems or issues with the FAL this day, it shot great.
After that came the M1903A3 (Remington) from CMP. This was my first range trip with this rifle after I got it from CMP and cleaned it up last month. I unloaded some en-block clips I had for the M1 and hand fed the first rounds. With a recoil pad in place, and the several layers of clothing I had on, recoil was reduced to a 'good shove'. Accuracy was outstanding, with almost no adjustment to the stock sights needed. I quickly moved to the 75 yrd target and easily kept a group in the black. (I realize that some of you might snicker, but I'm not a rifle guy. Heck, I can barely make out a target at 100 yrds, let alone hit it!) This rifle was the surprise of the day, being the most accurate (in my hands) and most fun to shoot. (And to think, CMP is giving these away for $400 a pop!)
Flush from my success thus far, I brought up the M1 Garand. A CMP Harrington & Richardson model cleaned up last month, this was it's first range trip. Fearing the dreaded 'Garand thumb', I was most cautious when loading the first clip. I needn't have been. The bolt release didn't work properly, so I had to assist it into battery for the first round of each clip. Opening rounds proved to be far left of the target in question, and much of my windage was taken up to get it sighted in. 50 & 75 yrd shots were easy as the Garand has excellent iron sights, but accuracy was sub-par, yielding 6 inch groups at 50 yrds in my hands. I believe this one might require some additional work. RobG got similar results when he tested it.
With one more new milsurp to play with this day, I set up with a 'select grade' K-31. The rifle itself is all it's advertised to be, built like a swiss watch, smooth action, great trigger, little tiny sights. Oh yeah, how I love little tiny sights. Did I mention I have a hard time even seeing the target at 100 yrds? I could not, for the life of me, get the K-31 sights in line. If I held the same position and disregarded the sight picture, I did OK. But I'm gonna have to do something about those sights! Recoil was a 'modest push', a little heavier than a 30.06, so a recoil pad is highly recommended. RobG got better accuracy out of this one even though it had the best trigger of the bunch.
After that it was time to play, back to the SKS for more rounds of Wolf fun. More magazines through the AR and FAL. At one point I tried the scope mount on the FAL with a Millet Red dot attached. The scope sat up to high though, I couldn't get it to adjust down enough to bring in on target. Got plenty of wood target framing though (oops).
We kept a lookout for anyone we'd recognize, even hung out a sign. But being all the way at the end, we could've easily missed someone.
Best line of the day was from another shooter who wandered over during a cease fire, looking over our collection he commented "I saw you guys kept coming in with more stuff, that’s quite an arsenal you have there.". I laughed and replied, "Well, we knew we only had a couple of hours to shoot, so we only brought what we'd need. We left everything else at home."
October 25, 2004, 06:54 PM
so we only brought what we'd need. We left everything else at home."
Ha! reminds me of the last time P95Carry came down to Hap Baker.
I'd like to see that SKS sometime. I've been thinking about getting a $99 one and working it (or the one I have now) over.
Should we try a pistol shoot soon? Weather be damned for that at least.
I think the last formal indoor shoot was at Continental, and other than the high price, it was a pretty successful event.
Don't burn your eyes looking at the picture:neener:
October 26, 2004, 12:05 PM
We would love to go but we only have Wed. night open at this point.
October 26, 2004, 11:07 PM
What kind of targets do you use at Hap Baker? A buddy of mine and I will be going tomorrow afternoon and I don't know if they have target stands or if I should bring clay or what.
October 26, 2004, 11:09 PM
Just regular paper targets. The have staple guns, staples and backer boards for you. And spotting scopes.
Try to get there as early as you can. And dress warm; it gets pretty cold standing on that concrete pad.
October 27, 2004, 07:33 AM
Is Hap Baker open on Wednesdays this time of the year due to demand? Their "regular" days are only Thursday through Sunday.
I know that they open sometimes on Wednesdays, but it it more at the whim of the ROs than it is a set thing.
I hope they are open so that you can get some time in....but I'd hate to see you drive out there for nothing.
October 27, 2004, 08:57 AM
Just in case you read this in time, here's the contact info:
**Hap Baker Range
Carroll County Landfill
Westminster MD 21157
Contact: JoAnn Hunter
Shooting opportunities for small and large caliber rifle and pistols.
Open to the Public. Daily or season passes are required Days and times vary.
October 28, 2004, 01:12 PM
Not only was it open there was an hour wait. I have never been to a range that gave me a number.
All in all a great time. Very nice range. A bit restrictive but not too bad. I like the fact they provide staplers etc. and I really liked the red clear lights.
About the only thing I didn't like was the two second rule which I broke once.
They didn't however blink an eye at my evil black AR15 with 30 round magazines nor did they blink an eye at the HK USC with 30 round magazines. Actually the range office did blink a few times at the USC right up to the point he came up and sheepishly asked if he could shoot a few rounds through it. :D He loved it.
We have a new M1 Garand convert in one of my friends too so it was a great day. I will try to post some pictures in another thread a bit later.
Thanks for all the info guys.
October 28, 2004, 02:45 PM
You're lucky that it was only an hour wait....on the weekends it is closer to 2 hours.
It is a nice range, and the fact that it is a county facility is all the better.
The RO's are generally pretty good about stuff....the 2 second rule is enforced because it "scares the neighbors" to have rapid fire:rolleyes:
Glad you had a good time
October 28, 2004, 04:10 PM
See thread here to watch the magic of what a Garand can do to somebody who doesn't shoot.